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How would Methylone test?
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Sir_Twist
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They do. It's all I've been getting the last two months, at least we suspect very strongly they are Methylone pills, and I'm sick of them. Not that they are bad, it's just that when I party i want MDMA/MDA.
So, there's no way of telling if a pill/powder is Methylone or MDMA with a test kit? That's bad. Really bad.
So, there's no way of telling if a pill/powder is Methylone or MDMA with a test kit? That's bad. Really bad.
phase_dancer
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Methylone also contains a ketone group and as such should react to some of usual tests for ketones.
If you can obtain the chemicals required, then I would suggest using Marquis first, followed by a test for ketones.
2,4 Dinitrophenylhydrazine reagent is generally regarded as a good test for ketones although some ketones may react to form an oil residue which won't dissolve.
25ml of ethanol is mixed with 25ml of 85% ortho-phosphoric acid. Into this 75mg of 2,4 Dinitrophenylhydrazine is dissolved.
Formation of a precipitate is regarded as a positive result. If the product is air dried, it should a yellow-orange product. The reagent is stated to last for several days if kept in a refrigerator.
Ref: Jork et al, Thin Layer Chromatography, reagents and detection methods vol 1a
This next test may be compounded by the presence of the amine, although literature tends to indicate otherwise. Sodium Nitroferricyanide is used in Simons reagent (termed a modified nitroferricyanide test by Clarke), although the formulation is different to this:
2ml of a solution of 1% nitroferricyanide is mixed with sample and 1 drop of 2M NaOH added.
An orange color indicates a ketone.
Ref: Clarke's Analysis of Drugs and Poisons
If you can obtain the chemicals required, then I would suggest using Marquis first, followed by a test for ketones.
2,4 Dinitrophenylhydrazine reagent is generally regarded as a good test for ketones although some ketones may react to form an oil residue which won't dissolve.
25ml of ethanol is mixed with 25ml of 85% ortho-phosphoric acid. Into this 75mg of 2,4 Dinitrophenylhydrazine is dissolved.
Formation of a precipitate is regarded as a positive result. If the product is air dried, it should a yellow-orange product. The reagent is stated to last for several days if kept in a refrigerator.
Ref: Jork et al, Thin Layer Chromatography, reagents and detection methods vol 1a
This next test may be compounded by the presence of the amine, although literature tends to indicate otherwise. Sodium Nitroferricyanide is used in Simons reagent (termed a modified nitroferricyanide test by Clarke), although the formulation is different to this:
2ml of a solution of 1% nitroferricyanide is mixed with sample and 1 drop of 2M NaOH added.
An orange color indicates a ketone.
Ref: Clarke's Analysis of Drugs and Poisons
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Sir_Twist
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Found an answer to my own question.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml
Marquis apparently comes up yellow with methylone.
Allthough it's not a very reliable way to identify methylone, if that's what you want in your pill, it doesn't register as MDxx. That was all I wanted to know.
The pills we've been testing is most likely MDEA then. It tests positive for MDxx and from experience I'm sure not's not MDMA or MDA.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml
Marquis apparently comes up yellow with methylone.
Allthough it's not a very reliable way to identify methylone, if that's what you want in your pill, it doesn't register as MDxx. That was all I wanted to know.
The pills we've been testing is most likely MDEA then. It tests positive for MDxx and from experience I'm sure not's not MDMA or MDA.
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Why would I not find Methylone in a pill? I mean, they put all other sorts of wierd stuff in pills.
There is a pill here that resembles the pill we were questioning. Exactly the same but a different colour. That pill tested yellow with marquis. I guess other things can do that too, but the people who used them suspected methylone.
There is a pill here that resembles the pill we were questioning. Exactly the same but a different colour. That pill tested yellow with marquis. I guess other things can do that too, but the people who used them suspected methylone.
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^^Probably unlikely Methylone would be sold in ecstacy pills as the cost (at least from RC companies in the past) was much higher than a street price of MDMA for an equivalent dose.
I have seen methylone pills but the were sold as such from a shop/supplier. Long story short... After working out the price/dosage of each pill and the amount of pills needed to take an appropriate standard dosage (approx 200mg) they were definatley more expensive than MDMA pills and in a similar (I think even more expensive) range than what most RC companies have sold Methylone powder for in the past.
So we know that both MBDB and Methylone have in the past been sold by RC companies at much higher prices (for the appropriate equivent dosage) when compared to street MDMA pills. I do not know whether these costs are vasty inflated by RC companies or not. Since I am not a chemist I have no idea whether Methylone and MBDB are more expensive to produce than MDMA/MDEA. It would be interesting to know as I think this would be the desciding factor as to wether black market manufacturors would descide to put MBDB or Methylone into ecstacy pills or not.
Here's the test kit reactions I recorded a while ago when I tested a small amount of methylone powder:
Marquis- Quick reaction to yellow
Mandelin - Quick reaction to yellow
Mecke - No reaction
Simons - No reaction (it's quite possible I didn't use enough M1 and that was the reason for no reaction. Seeing as I only had a very small ammount (and it was expensive!) I was not willing to part with any more of my M1 to retest using more.
I have seen methylone pills but the were sold as such from a shop/supplier. Long story short... After working out the price/dosage of each pill and the amount of pills needed to take an appropriate standard dosage (approx 200mg) they were definatley more expensive than MDMA pills and in a similar (I think even more expensive) range than what most RC companies have sold Methylone powder for in the past.
So we know that both MBDB and Methylone have in the past been sold by RC companies at much higher prices (for the appropriate equivent dosage) when compared to street MDMA pills. I do not know whether these costs are vasty inflated by RC companies or not. Since I am not a chemist I have no idea whether Methylone and MBDB are more expensive to produce than MDMA/MDEA. It would be interesting to know as I think this would be the desciding factor as to wether black market manufacturors would descide to put MBDB or Methylone into ecstacy pills or not.
Here's the test kit reactions I recorded a while ago when I tested a small amount of methylone powder:
Marquis- Quick reaction to yellow
Mandelin - Quick reaction to yellow
Mecke - No reaction
Simons - No reaction (it's quite possible I didn't use enough M1 and that was the reason for no reaction. Seeing as I only had a very small ammount (and it was expensive!) I was not willing to part with any more of my M1 to retest using more.
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Thanks for the input. There's a pill giving the yellow marquis reaction around here. I have no idea how it reacted with the other reagents or if it's even been tested with them. Based on the effects we suspecte it's actually M1, but who knows. The human body is a lousy reagent...
phase_dancer
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Simons is quite a sensitive test for sec amines. I'm surprised you didn't get a result, even if only a few mg of sample was used.
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^^ Yeah but Simons still needs around 4-8 times as much powder as you need to get a descent reaction with Marquis, Mandelin, Mecke IMO. I usually use a tiny scraping with pills sometimes its not enough for a reaction with Simons so I redo the test with a slightly larger scraping. (and I'm talking descent pills to)
Sorry man but I really got wroughted with the ammount I payed for such a small sample of M1 powder. I only used a tiny ammount, it didn't react with Simons although I do suspect it's quite likely (judging by the fineness of the powder and how much is needed when testing MDMA pills) if I redid the test with more it would have worked. I didn't do it though because I'd already had to use powder for testing with Marquis, Mandelin and Mecke and was pretty satisfied by those reactions that is was liklely to be M1. As it was I didn't have enough M1 for a full dosage... and my readings at the time suggested that such a low dose could well be a shadow substance ie. produce symptoms that are quite different, likely to be negative and basically mask this substances' true nature (as it would be at a standard dose)![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
In the end I can confirm that the human test reagent came back a positive for likely M1 effects (some weirdness, empathy that reminded me of some of the best times on MDMA, then a profound relaxed almost medatitive state on comedown). Nice! :D
Sorry man but I really got wroughted with the ammount I payed for such a small sample of M1 powder. I only used a tiny ammount, it didn't react with Simons although I do suspect it's quite likely (judging by the fineness of the powder and how much is needed when testing MDMA pills) if I redid the test with more it would have worked. I didn't do it though because I'd already had to use powder for testing with Marquis, Mandelin and Mecke and was pretty satisfied by those reactions that is was liklely to be M1. As it was I didn't have enough M1 for a full dosage... and my readings at the time suggested that such a low dose could well be a shadow substance ie. produce symptoms that are quite different, likely to be negative and basically mask this substances' true nature (as it would be at a standard dose)
In the end I can confirm that the human test reagent came back a positive for likely M1 effects (some weirdness, empathy that reminded me of some of the best times on MDMA, then a profound relaxed almost medatitive state on comedown). Nice! :D