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How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

Again that seems to be a common sense truth. If it's already dissolved in water then you have bypassed a step in the process on your way to rolling. How long though does it take your stomach acid to dissolve MDMA crystal once they've met though? I've never dissolved my crystal in water so I don't have a reference to compare to. If it's a matter of seconds then I hardly think pre-dissolving MDMA in water would speed up the onset of the roll. Not so fast to make a marked difference in come-up time imo.

To answer your previous question on Mints...

http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2405

There's the lab analysis of the first Mints I ever tried. A lady friend and i each dropped 2 to start. We sat around bullshitting for a bit when she kinda stopped in mid-conversation and just stared at me. Her eyebrows were raised as high as they could go and her eyes were very wide open while she blinked every half second still staring. "Are you feeling it? Because it is hitting me hard right now!" she said. I looked over at the clock on the stove and it was 20 minutes exactly from the time we dropped. I turned back to her and said, "Naw I'm not feelin mine ye........whoa......"

After knowing the 45-60 minute come-up time my whole roll career, that first experience on the Mint come-up could not have been mistaken because of how unbelievably large the time gap was between them and everything else I'd ever known. There is no question in my mind the synth in Mint MDMA is "different" than most all other MDMA experiences I've had. They have an extremely unique roll to them. There is no slow and drawn out down-glide during the comedown. It's more like being high as a kite then instantly sober. It makes you wonder if you really just rolled or dreamed it because of the lack of any negative side effects experienced with other rolls.

I've eaten Mints only in 3 different rolls, each consisting of using the same individual press of Mint through each individual roll. I didnt mix Mint presses with eachother. Come-up time was the same for all 3 rolls, more empathy than I've felt from anything else in a few years, then done. Barely a noticeable comedown.

The synth/precursor/potential salt variation is where I'm putting all of my stock into in this debate.
 
pothole said:
http://ecstasy.org/testing/index.html

Some more test results from the 90s.
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Good reading, I noted the ever famous Doves. 2 tests, 1st one 130mg MDMA and the other is MDEA 175mg. Maybe MDEA is what we were after...these could be the reported 'super-doves'.

Still it begs the question, if these Doves at 130mg MDMA were so much 'da bomb'....then how did they last 3-4 hours and be so amazing.

Isomers? Safrole instead of PMK? Was it a less pure form of MDMA as has been discussed here (e.g.the dirtier less purified MDMA gives a different buzz).
 
Hello pottie cheers for your input we got exstasydata.org, the link you have there and one below

1995 - 1996

http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/dow...llen_95_96.pdf

1997

http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/dow..._pillen_97.pdf

1998

http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/dow..._pillen_98.pdf

1999

http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/dow..._pillen_99.pdf

2000

http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/dow..._pillen_mm.pdf


If you know of any others please let us know.





Blah that pill you have shown there is a crazy looking thing.

Slightly thinner than usual.

By all accounts no adulterants.

The press is very amateur looking.

If I were to make an educated guess thats a USA manufactured Pill with imported crystal or Freebase from Canada.

It seems now due to the really harsh sentances in the USA with the precursor / lab 'potential' the idea of actually cooking MDMA in USA is a lot more rare than previousley.

Maybe the pokeball crew are still cooking but they also seem to supply only on occasions.

I was reading that a lot of the smuggling now is done in freebase format.

It makes sense as moving a liquid around is a lot easier than big bags of pills. Besides if your shifting pills you are carrying 70% sugar.

Moving the liquid makes it a lot more difficult for a local cop to figure out what it is. In shampoo bottles etc it makes a great consealment.

Its a small back street lab keeping a low profile.

Nothing fancie. Looks like the press is some kind of home made thing so no traces of where the press was purchased.

There not after mass market there targeting the seasoned user. No colouring no silly pictures or shapes.

I dont think the 20 minute come up is a type of press/binder or filler issue.

I dont see any speckles in the pill maybe its a pic issue? The speckles would indicate crystal binded with filler.

I reckon a lab producing limited runs. Pops up then packs up quick.

In regards to the come up speed that is very interesting.

This is the closest we have come to something that is current and clearly not following the 45-hr come up rule.

The pill looks too white to be loaded with impurities.

What would you guess the dose to be 100mG or so? 50% filler maybe mannitol + PVA binder.

Did you also notice how with that pro pill making equipment they have special V shaped mixers to ensure the product is correctly mixed.

This likely explains why clandestine pills crumble if the binder is not thoroughly mixed into the pill areas where the binder is not mixed the pill will crumble.

I notice the earlier defqon stuff like the lacoste were having crumbling issues.

With the latest batch of blue defqons they seem to have figured out the binder problem they were having previousley.
Maybe now with all that money they have invested in a V mixer LOL.

Can you imagine what kind of money an operaton like that is making? Pretty much supplying all of Europe now with decent E. No one talks about anything else. They have got the market totally nailed.

They simply addressed the Piperazine/Bunk scene by producing presses that seemed harder to copy.

Although looking on UK ebay you would be amazed at what pill presses are available. You can buy them with all the dies coming as standard playboy/smiley/dollar etc. I also noticed they come with bart simpson and transformer dies the shapes famous for bunk pills. If you want a custom die you just pay a $100 or so and the chinese make to order. CRAZY.

When I saw these tablet machines so easily available I then realised why theres so much bunk out there. Almost anyone who invests $1000 on ebay and purchases a legal RC could start making Bunk pills LEGALLY!!

All the defqon lab pills are coloured also. I am not sure how they achieve this.

One clandestine lab I noticed seemed to have different chalk colours crushed up. I guess also a food dye might also work. Although I have a feeling a coloured liquid die might make a mess. Needs a bit more research.

By all accounts this looks like a salt issue to me.

I wish the Bluelight member phase_dancer would pick up on this thread reading some of his posts he would have some great suggestions to add to all this ;-)

I might read that mint appreciation thread and report back with any other suggestions.
 
My first pill was a dove from 94 that was amazing. And after that for a good six month it was doves every weekend. Pills definatly got weaker around 96 when I decided to have a break it wasn't until the mitzi came out around 99 I got back on them. And I had no pills from 2004 until 2011 since then I've tried all the dutch superpills, q dance , speakers , defqon, squirrels , elephants ect.
My best night was probably on pink diamonds that are the weakest I've had since the drought and the first after my break from 2004 but the music and club was spot on so that may have helped.
Are old pills better than now? I don't know, I think my body and mind has changed over the years and even if someone gave me a dove again it wouldn't be the same.
Great thread tho , most of it is too complicated for me to grasp but a good read.
 
Hello pothole yeah looks like the doves were a 50/50 chance either 130mG ish MDMA or about 150mG ish MDEA.

I will dig the Shulgin MDEA description out in a second and add that on here.

I think in the 90s a lot of the time we were on MDEA. I remember it being a clearer buzz and less in your head kinda speedy in a way. I remember the MDEA hits would clear the following week quicker. I had less aftermath depression.

Just out of interest how did you get on with the 150mG+ super pills? If you could describe the come up/duration and come down experience that would be quite helpful to the thread.

Are old pills better than now? I don't know, I think my body and mind has changed over the years and even if someone gave me a dove again it wouldn't be the same.
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I think you might be right. We are waiting for someone to pipe up that has found a dusty dove in a drawer somewhere then we can get it blasted off to Ecstasydata.org

Ironically a dove from 20 years is probably no longer active LOL


Sorry Mark I missed your post there.

Good reading, I noted the ever famous Doves. 2 tests, 1st one 130mg MDMA and the other is MDEA 175mg. Maybe MDEA is what we were after...these could be the reported 'super-doves'.
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Yes I just had another look through that link posted by pottie. Load of stuff on there I didnt pick up on before.

It seems there are some 160ish mG MDMA pills.

Plus also MDEA reaching 170ish mG mark.

A lot of the doves are MDEA.


Something I just noticed!

http://ecstasy.org/testing/tests8.6.97.html

Look at the average size of a tablet. A lot of them are 10mm+ thats a whole 1 CM diameter.


Wow do you remember these babies? These things were massive look at the diameter 12mm dia x 4.57mm thick! had an oval press with a V bevelled score on the back.

http://ecstasy.org/testing/pillsfeb.html

Dolphin / 4.57 / 12.12 / 592 mg / MDMA: 160 mg / 06/96
yellow pill with side view of dolphin, score line on reverse

Look at the pill weight almost 600mG. This was the biggest E I ever had in the 90s. I think they were about £12 each. I remember being a little daunted when I took this thing LOL. Seems the dose varied a bit.


This link shows the famous disco biscuit

http://ecstasy.org/testing/pillstilSept.html

Again look at the size 12.5mm x 3.5mm massive!

Particularly in the early 90s there were a lot of massive pills around then thats for sure.


Still it begs the question, if these Doves at 130mg MDMA were so much 'da bomb'....then how did they last 3-4 hours and be so amazing.
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It sure does. Looking at this test data with refreshed eyes I reckon the AVERAGE quality was just better. Also every now and again you had a MDEA bomb + some of the tablets were massive.

tThere were also the occasional dutch super bomb equiviliant 160mG ish mark.

Its not down regulation but might be some mixed memories in there. Maybe all the mega sizes and mega dosed ones are the ones you remember.

That was certainly the case for me. Hence remembering the Dolphin. I even remember the rave and the chick i met LOL!


Isomers? Safrole instead of PMK? Was it a less pure form of MDMA as has been discussed here (e.g.the dirtier less purified MDMA gives a different buzz).
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I dont think Isomers was happening then. Unless by accident.

As I understand it PMK is (MD-P2P). I have heard it mentioned because I beleive you used to be able to buy MD-P2P direct from China. For a while at least.

In a sense they were exporting liquid MDMA. PMK only needs one reaction and you have MDMA Freebase. For a while PMK was legal in China but I think that source has been nailed now by the DEA.

PMK would likely have started its life as Safrol somewhere along the chain.

I doubt PMK was available in the 90s. You would have to make it. I know for sure Piperonal was available in the 90s as it has legitimate perfume use.

Piperonal now is heavily watched.

I reckon piperonal was the precursor of choice then. Easier to make MDA and MDEA with piperonal.

I suspect safrole was around then also. There would have been no restrictions then or at least limited restrictions.

It was probably dirtier in the 90s although this is only speculative.

It would depend a lot on who was cooking and what chemistry knowledge they had. For sure this knowledge was around then as it is now. Equipment to make it was equally as sophisticated then as it is now.

Likely a few more synthesis methods have been discovered. Likely information now is easier to share. Just simply people have been cookin it longer and things will naturally improve and develop over time.


I must read more about that mint that blah posted got my mind whirring..
 
Smacky pills were what we called mdea pills back then. We honestly thought they were cut with smack, I know it's crazy. The mdea pills were nice but had to work a bit harder to get myself dancing.
Strangest pill I took was a strawberry around 96. I think they are on them test results I posted. Had ephedrine and something else.
 
pothole said:
My first pill was a dove from 94 that was amazing. And after that for a good six month it was doves every weekend. Pills definatly got weaker around 96 when I decided to have a break it wasn't until the mitzi came out around 99 I got back on them. And I had no pills from 2004 until 2011 since then I've tried all the dutch superpills, q dance , speakers , defqon, squirrels , elephants ect.
My best night was probably on pink diamonds that are the weakest I've had since the drought and the first after my break from 2004 but the music and club was spot on so that may have helped.
Are old pills better than now? I don't know, I think my body and mind has changed over the years and even if someone gave me a dove again it wouldn't be the same.
Great thread tho , most of it is too complicated for me to grasp but a good read.
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Precisely my feeling. I took a 15 year break after the good Doves, missed all the shit and then had a Pink Diamond which was good, clean but nowhere near as amphet intense as a Dove.

I am going to try the Yellow Rockstars, which are meant to be pretty amazing - but people recommend 1/2 only and a lot of reports of people feeling sick on the way up. However, lot of reports of a very good afterglow...how do you acheive this???
 
pothole said:
Is it true that the precursor has changed since the drought ?
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Safrole has to be made into PMK to make MDMA. Labs just buy PMK now, and also safrole is hard to get because of conservation of trees etc. and strict controls.
 
Do you mean this diamond mark?

http://ecstasy.org/testing/labtest0797.html

Look at the size a whopping 12mm x 7.33mm 102mG MDEA. Massive thing. One of those but pink?



Re the PMK I think it means MD-P2P (which yes MD-P2P is 9/10 needed to make MDMA.)

Where would you buy it? It would be as illegal to make as MDMA.

Who ever was making this now would be hung up by the DEA. Where ever you are in the world. If you were sending it to the USA they would extradite you and you would suffer some serious jail time.

Safrol as you say is needed to make PMK. Why would it be any harder to get than PMK?

Maybe the PMK was available through Asian channels once but now if you are making PMK you may as well be making MDMA the punishment would be the same. If you were having to smuggle PMK why not just take it the next step and smuggle MDMA freebase liquid.
 
i think severely pmk and mdp2p are the same thing. Its just terminology.

I have seen some synths recently discussing Helional as a precursor to MDA.

Also camphor oil is a discussed precursor although i think this is safrol related.

Strikes book Total Synthesis II has loads of other Essentials as potential precursors.
 
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futura2012 said:
Do you mean this diamond mark?

http://ecstasy.org/testing/labtest0797.html

Look at the size a whopping 12mm x 7.33mm 102mG MDEA. Massive thing. One of those but pink?
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http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=25625

They are super clean, unlike the Green Squares I have just now, the Pink Diamonds are very very clean. You can remember the whole night and once you come down it's clean as a whistle, no residual effect. Sadly I cannot seem to get them right now.
 
seems more like a thread about how the people that are now in their 30s-40s are jealous about how hard and awesome kids these days are rolling tbh
 
Eyes On the Roll said:
seems more like a thread about how the people that are now in their 30s-40s are jealous about how hard and awesome kids these days are rolling tbh
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No, not really - I see the younger crowd in the club and no one is really off their heads like early 90s....weaker pills period.
 
seems more like a thread about how the people that are now in their 30s-40s are jealous about how hard and awesome kids these days are rolling tbh
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Are you saying that you are jealous of the kids these days?

Or are you infact one of the hard and awesome kids yourself?
 
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^ I'll be taking a Dutch pill tonight, ~150mg MDMA.

Any requests on how I should take the pill? I could test one of these theories if you have one... I was planning on crushing the pill with my teeth and chasing that with some water, should start to feel it in around 15-20 mins



Other substances will be consumed, but I should be able to tell the time scale of the MDMA by itself
 
Hello Folley

Hope you get this in time

yes crush the pill to an absolute pulp

neck it then swish with water.

whole lot in one.

report back with come up time

intensity

duration of peak

and come down time

tnx ;-)
 
oh yes one more thing

stop at wallgreens or equiv pharmacy

buy some sudafed

dont get busted for smurfin

on the come down neck 2 tell me if you feel anything

get the 12 hour high dose pseudo version. or equiviliant

dont ask in walgreens about high dose pseudo or you will be not going to a rave but a jail cell.

enjoy
 
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