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How toxic is Mephedrone?

It's substantially subsided to the point of being unnoticeable/absent unless I inhale deeply or something similar.
 
I think you'll be ok, after a 4 day meph binge on about 2grams (the first times i had ever tried it) i vaguely remember a little chest tightness for the rest of the night on day 4, not any pain really though. I'm fine now, probably has to do with it constricting your blood flow to your heart for so long.

Put the meph down and back away slowly lol.

But if you still feel the slightest concern for your health and safety then i would still suggest seeking out medical attention just to be safe.
 
Haha alright. I'm taking a break for a bit (and I'm not just saying that, I literally won't have access to any), so that should clear things up a bit :).
 
I never take much (500 mg max over 10 hours) but always seem to get a very sore throat and a shit load of really annoying mouth ulcers. Anyone have the same and tips as to how to avoid this???
 
Watch out for the jaw clenching and try to consciously stop it. That's what I've done and found that my mouth just feels 'dry' and a bit irritated, but not ulcered to fuck like it used to get. I think its a mixture of dry mouth and constant gurning that causes them to be really bad sometimes.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Haha alright. I'm taking a break for a bit (and I'm not just saying that, I literally won't have access to any), so that should clear things up a bit :).
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i got chest pains too but i havent been at it for weeks and they're gone. leave the meph alone and go to a doctors anyway to ask for advice. worrying will cause greater chest pain (a cokehead friend of mine had anxiety attacks and nothing wrong with his heart{ecg} but was convinced he was going to die). chest pain and anxiety are strongly linked. dont smoke cannabis when under the influence of meph, it vastly enhanced the incidence of chest problems in myself at every meph dosage level as did excessive sugar intake (haribo/chocolate).

try keeping you're blood healthy with raw garlic (swallow very small chopped bits with water) and fish oils(use moderately), drinking water and avoiding sugar in large amounts (makes blood sticky in consistency). these can thin the blood and if the blood is less thick it will be easier to pump around the body and put less strain on the heart. try to use olive oil in your diet. get a strong b vitamin complex (one called B-complex "50" is very good). and leave the meph for at least a month or two, if not as long as you possibly can.

i have used in a similar pattern to you and the large dose binges need recovery and time off using at the very least (they are a sign of addiction and high tolerance). tackle the problem with affirmative action. good luck!=D
 
vortex30 said:
Watch out for the jaw clenching and try to consciously stop it. That's what I've done and found that my mouth just feels 'dry' and a bit irritated, but not ulcered to fuck like it used to get. I think its a mixture of dry mouth and constant gurning that causes them to be really bad sometimes.
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avoid dry mouth and feed yourself in one easy step by drinking milk!

i dont get ulcers this way or any of the weird acidic burned/chewed to bits mouth issues that were so common among my days of mdma and before that speed. milk solves a number of problems as long as you can digest it...
 
I just got off a pretty large binge (750mg 2 nights ago followed by about 1.3 grams total yesterday, all of it snorted) and I woke up with bumps in the back of my throat... I've experienced this before but never this bad. I have a feeling it could be from the drainage. Does anyone know what this is? I plan on doing 500mg next week (which will be hard to talk me out of but if it's THAT bad I guess I could...) and then taking at least a 6 week break after that.


Also last night I felt mild chest discomfort/pain. FWIW I've decided to completely change the way I use this stuff. Once a month, maybe twice at the most, always dosing orally with no more than a single redose. I never really took the warnings for this stuff very seriously, but I'm really starting to think this is not a chem to abuse the piss out of. Be safe guys...



P.S. The small pimple/boil-like bumps have almost completely gone away in the 2.5 hours I've been awake. I ate some fruit, a sandwich, took a multi-vitamin, and had 2 glasses of milk. I think they will have completely subsided in a couple more hours. Now I have the suspicion it was because I had a weakened immune system and slept with my mouth open... But yeah, they're getting better really fast so I'm not as concerned as I was before.
 
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Artificial Emotion said:
Wow. According to my psychiatrist I actually have a number of traits of OCD (but not quite the full blown disorder)! How fascinating! I do do this when not under the influence and do it uncontrollably when I'm nervous. I do it so often it's second nature and quite often am not actually aware that I'm doing it. The nail polish idea is pretty cool.

I read somewhere that people who bite their nails live considerably shorter life spans and can suffer from cognitive defecits through ingesting toxins present under dirty fingernails.

After my friend's death I have been put off ingesting psychoactive drugs that do not have a long history of use by man, where the long-term side effects are unknown. Although mephedrone is probably not that harmful t's just too risky IMO.
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So I know this is a little off topic, but an episode of Obsessed was on A&E tonight about a girl with Trichotillomania so I thought of this thread lol.
If you have any further interest on the subject you should check out the book "More, Now, Again" by Elizabeth Wurtzel (who also wrote "Prozac Nation.")
The book is about her addiction to snorting Ritalin and how it lead to her development of Trichotillomania. She goes into some graphic detail at points, but it's an awesome book.
 
I ended up doing probably 700mg more today in 3 snorted doses... I didn't even really have that much to do. I decided to open a bindle I had saved for a friend and taking 50-100mg out and drew a line through the ".6" written on the pack and wrote "~.5 :( Sorry, heh." Anyway, I somehow came to the conclusion I could just do his drugs since I have more on the way (won't have it for about a week). I think I'm beginning to deal with addiction from this stuff, even if only psychologically. I suspect my best friend may be in my boat seeing as how he did a lot more (6 grams in 7 days, then like another 1/8th a few days after at his worst binge, no top of minimal amounts of food, water, and sleep), but I personally believe addiction is more about attitude and how you use, not just dose + frequency. I think a lot of the problems with mephedrone would be solved if it wasn't so fucking cheap (it's not price discussion, just a subjective observation/fact). In my/our case anyway...


Tips to anyone having lots of this stuff sitting around - DON'T! But seriously, I would do what you need to do with the packaging ahead of time (cmon, no one person needs 25+g) and DO NOT touch a single packet when you start to fiend. Ever. For some reason opening a bindle for a small bump seems innocent when you're on (or coming off I guess) this stuff, at least to me, but this is the 2nd or 3rd time when a "tiny bump" resulted in the whole bag disappearing. I'm done with this shit for a long time. Also, plan out your mephedrone uses ahead of time like you would with mdma. Spur-of-the-moment dosing breeds bad habits.


Tread lightly on this one... I'm sure it has potential to be an amazing, moderately-safe drug if used correctly, but using it responsibly can be the hard part sometimes.
 
^good post. I agree, this spontaneous use of meph causes one to think it's OK to keep abusing the amounts at the frequency that he or she is doing so....and it's not.

Keep the psychological dependency at bay by being smarter about this drug, especially considering how little is known about it.
 
shoolameet said:
So I know this is a little off topic, but an episode of Obsessed was on A&E tonight about a girl with Trichotillomania so I thought of this thread lol.
If you have any further interest on the subject you should check out the book "More, Now, Again" by Elizabeth Wurtzel (who also wrote "Prozac Nation.")
The book is about her addiction to snorting Ritalin and how it lead to her development of Trichotillomania. She goes into some graphic detail at points, but it's an awesome book.
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god i love ritalin, i could snort line of ritalin forever, it was as additive as meph easily
in fact worse because i genuinely could not stop until i ran out which in some cases was weeks
 
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alt 14 said:
I plan on doing 500mg next week (which will be hard to talk me out of but if it's THAT bad I guess I could...) and then taking at least a 6 week break after that.


P.S. The small pimple/boil-like bumps have almost completely gone away in the 2.5 hours I've been awake. I ate some fruit, a sandwich, took a multi-vitamin, and had 2 glasses of milk. I think they will have completely subsided in a couple more hours. Now I have the suspicion it was because I had a weakened immune system and slept with my mouth open... But yeah, they're getting better really fast so I'm not as concerned as I was before.
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yes milk is a great counterbalance when snorting this drug, also i notice you dont mind stopping as long as its next week.

lemmy was quoted as say "an addict is someone who can stop anytime as long as its next tuesday" lol
 
pofacedhoe said:
god i love ritalin, i could snort line of ritalin forever, it was as additive as meph easily
in fact worse because i genuinely could not stop until i ran out which in some cases was weeks
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blech, ritalin. stick to meph, even if is more toxic. at least meph has a nice euphoria
 
Coolio said:
I agree. If there's to be any easily diagnosed neurotoxicity from recreational use, we'd see obvious neurological problems with the heaviest bingers out there right now, not some outliers.
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I'm a bit late to this conversation, obviously, but with the recent increase in meph availability (I was offered it at a party, for Christs sake), I feel it is necessary to point out that while the drug certainly can have quite terrible negative effects, for the majority of users it will not have any appreciable long term consequences. Granted, you don't know if you are going to be in that group who is highly sensitive to the drug, and while I have used it (and never gotten above 400mg in one session of usage) without any negative consequences, it seems important to note that this drug doesn't seem any worse than meth.

Take that for what its worth, obviously. Like all drugs -

Moderate usage + Self control

Will more than likely lead to a night with few consequences. Not saying that mephedrone is a wonder drug thats perfect in every way, as it obviously has some very real potential consequences, it seems that the issues that have arisen have come from the fact that, since it isn't explicitly scheduled, people don't take it as seriously or treat it with as much respect as a "real" drug like cocaine. If that hurdle were successfully jumped, I doubt we would see hardly any of the issues we have seen in the past with this drug.
 
This drug is definitely a 'drug of opportunity' imo. When I dont have any, i'm not craving it. But when I do, i want it constantly. I apparantly have a little more will power than i thought because i've managed to go two nights so far without dosing while having some available...which is saying a lot from the first time i got a hold of meph.
 
I feel it is necessary to point out that while the drug certainly can have quite terrible negative effects, for the majority of users it will not have any appreciable long term consequences.
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Based on? Why do you think pharmaceutical firms spend millions doing long term animal studies with new drugs? It's because there is no other way of determining whether or not something will have long consequences - it took a bloody long time to find the long term negative health consequences of fenfluramine (2-trifluoromethyl-N-ethylamphetamine)
 
I think the relatively low comedown indicates that it won't be too neurotoxic. That said, it could easily be linked to some sort of serious illness later down the line.

If mephedrone is found to be very toxic or dangerous, I'm completely fucked.

For over a year I've abused the shit out of it. At one point I did something like 20 grams in little over a week.

If I buy in bulk, there's no stopping me on the stuff. Now I keep it to weekends. I'll keep a few g's to myself and sell the rest. Even flushing it down the toilet is better than hoovering it all up my nose
 
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