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how to use acid to change personality?

There are a lot of nay sayers on here with regards to the therapeautic potential of psychedelic drugs. Pay no mind. I would say that none of them have had any ++++ life changing trips. The other point is, just because neurosis come back, does not mean that psychedelics were inneffective at catalyzing the original change. It seems that many people expect the change to be completely permanent and 100% resistent to the toxic pressures of being a fully autonomous organism in a social environment.

Remember that being thrown off balance is a constant process of atrition at your soul. This is why we are always seeking ways to re-centre ourselves throughout life, and therefore psychedelic drugs should not be seen as a bad way to do this simply because it is a process you must repeat.

I say that psychedelics drugs have enourmous therapeautic potential, because I for one have benefited from it. In fact I just wrote about it in another thread. A whole decade of depression disappeared in one trip, a process which was catalyzed by the combination of insights brought forth from several previous trips and the mind set I had allowed myself in between. All of my trips ever since then have been re-centering, because I am able to recognize the cues and find meanings and workable solutions to them. One of the most omnipresent reawakenings, however, is the understanding of love and acceptance. To accept what you are, fundamentally and wholly. When you realize that we are simply but part of one big love, you understand that you need to let things go.

Psychedelics are like throwing a rock in a pond. The interface between the surface of the water and the surface of the air is your mind, and you can finally see the shape of it as it moves. It allows you to recognize the 'false centre' within you, the detrimental socially conditioned aspects of ego. When you recognize these things, you can observe them in everyday life and you can make any changes that you feel are necessary to restore balance and happiness. The change lasts well beyond the duration of the trip. When you feel that cultural conditioning is beginning to wear on your internal harmony again, you do one of these trips again. Often it is beneficial to have several succesive high-dose trips of this kind in order to get a map of the terrain and find the source of your imbalances. This is called "psycholytic" therapy, as you are repeating the process over in a short space of time in order to strengthen your understanding of the various cues which lead you to the insight you seek.

To those who flat-out deny the potential of this type of psychedelic use, I would point you to the Native Americans' use of Peyote. They consider it a very healing medicine. And why? Because healing the mind is healing the soul is healing the body.
 
ive had ++++ and i'm not a naysayer, i just think for a young kid to try to fix their personality with psychedelics can be risky IF they are doing it alone. i think having an experienced guide or psychedelic therapist would make thigns a lot better. one of the problems i had was developing extreme frustration when the neuroses came back.
 
agreed. since he is trying to have a social change in himself, he needs to do so in a social manner.

go ahead and have a fun trip with your friends, it may well end up being MORE therapeutic if you go into it with NO EXPECTATIONS! :)
 
TheBeatles said:
ok well would it we alright if i just took acid just for fun? like would it make my social issue worse?
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Definitely have fun with it mate. There's no point in being solemn about it. The best therapy is something that is fun. If you go in to it too serious, the trip will simply be a straight-jacket. But if you let everything hang loose and be open for good times, you'll be amazed.
 
burn out said:
yes i understand there is a difference. but my point was i didn't think full on visual hallucinations were necessary in order to use the drug for the purposes of personality change. even a small amount of cannabis, combined with a meditation, used to allow me to better analyze my mental processes. i was just relating this experience, because while it did seem to work for a time, my old neuroses did come back a couple of months after i stopped using cannabis.
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yeah i agree with what you have said, but i also find that cannabis isn't good for improving social skills which kind of goes against what it may have appeared i was pushing for in this thread.

to be fair i dont think hallucinogens improve your social skills, they certainly dont when you are on them. for me social skills is about being able to accurately guess what others are feeling and paying attention to it (psychedlics do not fit the bill for me). social skills dont improve because you analyse them, they improve with practice and the only way for this to work is to just go out there and talk more to people, maybe get a job that requires skilled interaction (i.e. a job where you have to get people to do what they dont want to do, but not a sales job as they are about lying a lot of the time)
 
pofacedhoe said:
yeah i agree with what you have said, but i also find that cannabis isn't good for improving social skills which kind of goes against what it may have appeared i was pushing for in this thread.

to be fair i dont think hallucinogens improve your social skills, they certainly dont when you are on them. for me social skills is about being able to accurately guess what others are feeling and paying attention to it (psychedlics do not fit the bill for me). social skills dont improve because you analyse them, they improve with practice and the only way for this to work is to just go out there and talk more to people, maybe get a job that requires skilled interaction (i.e. a job where you have to get people to do what they dont want to do, but not a sales job as they are about lying a lot of the time)
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Many people have poor social skills not because they are incompetent but because they are inhibited, deluded and neurotic. While psychs and cannabis may not directly improve social skills, they're certainly immensely useful for gaining insight into your mind and why it does all the stupid things that it does. People are wired for social competence by millions of years of evolution. If they are incapable of expressing that competence, it is likely because of some kind of pathology.
 
Psychodelirium said:
Many people have poor social skills not because they are incompetent but because they are inhibited, deluded and neurotic. While psychs and cannabis may not directly improve social skills, they're certainly immensely useful for gaining insight into your mind and why it does all the stupid things that it does. People are wired for social competence by millions of years of evolution. If they are incapable of expressing that competence, it is likely because of some kind of pathology.
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nah its just because it is a skill that we learn as we grow up. there is an innate ability but if you deprive someone of social interaction á la feral kids there is no way it will magically come about because of an insight on acid. we are wired for social behaviour but only in so far as we are wired to learn these skills. feral kids dont necessarliy have an underlying problem with social skills, its mrerely that the window of learning opportunity has come and gone.

you learn these combined skills through observing others and through trying and failing then learning around the results. we were not always in our distant past wired for social behaviour and its not as though everyone is on an even footing in terms of innate learning ability.

LSD can be insightfull with regards to where your life is going and how you make your choices but social interaction is more like a dog learning to open a door by jumping up. pure trial and error. maybe your mind isn't doing lots of stupid things, its just trying to find the lever and still not making it successfully. dont give up but dont rely on drugs as they just warp your ability to percieve feedback from your environment...
 
i agree that social skills are learned through interacting with people and not through insights on drugs. however, i had tried interacting with people and yet i was still plagued by social anxiety and incompetence. forcing myself to interact with others really only improved things a little bit. what my meditation with cannabis allowed me to do, was take a step back and observe my mind a bit more objectively. then i was able to see why i was always panicking in social situations. it's hard to learn social skills when you basically panic every time someone talks to you.

cannabis was never a drug that made me social, i would say it worsened my social skills when i was actually high. but through meditation while high, i was able to learn how to better focus my mind so as not to panic in social situations anymore. it took me almost a year of daily meditation with cannabis, but i eventually got to a point where i had developed the ability to remain calm in social situations through a focused mind. this lasted about 2 months after i quit cannabis and they were two of the best months of my life. unfortunately, all of my old neuroses eventually came back.
 
pofacedhoe said:
nah its just because it is a skill that we learn as we grow up. there is an innate ability but if you deprive someone of social interaction á la feral kids there is no way it will magically come about because of an insight on acid. we are wired for social behaviour but only in so far as we are wired to learn these skills. feral kids dont necessarliy have an underlying problem with social skills, its mrerely that the window of learning opportunity has come and gone.

you learn these combined skills through observing others and through trying and failing then learning around the results. we were not always in our distant past wired for social behaviour and its not as though everyone is on an even footing in terms of innate learning ability.

LSD can be insightfull with regards to where your life is going and how you make your choices but social interaction is more like a dog learning to open a door by jumping up. pure trial and error. maybe your mind isn't doing lots of stupid things, its just trying to find the lever and still not making it successfully. dont give up but dont rely on drugs as they just warp your ability to percieve feedback from your environment...
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Yes, I agree that it is a matter of an innate capacity to learn rather than an innate competence as such, just as it is with language. However, neurosis is precisely an interference with the learning process, a getting stuck in a particular way of behaving and cognizing. It was exactly the same in my case as in burn's. No amount of social exposure helped me overcome my inhibitions because the amount of anxiety and self-consciousness that arose prevented me from seeing the reality of the moment objectively and learning from it.

It was not until the first time that I ate mushrooms that I could see what I was doing and how to stop it. After that trip, my experience was exactly one of suddenly starting a rapid process of social learning, even though I was learning from the same people and situations that I'd been exposed to all along before the shrooms.
 
TheAppleCore said:
IME, it's really hard to actualize permanent change with psychedelics.

Sometimes I'll get really sick of myself, and drop a bunch of acid with intentions of change, and I'll feel like I've totally reprogrammed my personality, and that I'm a new person, but once I come down I'm the same old jerkoff that I used to be. :D :|
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This right here. I can't count the times I've experience permanent mind-altering insights that were bound to be expressed through my personality for years to come.. only to find that in a few days I'm back to who I was two days before the trip.

Personality change takes work. If you could take a pill to make you somebody else than nobody would be anybody.. or something. Listen to the guys giving good advice that doesn't involve drugs.
 
Meditation and using affirmations while in trance (basicly self-hypnosis) might work a bit but that's not a 1-day process. This will work just as well when you're not tripping btw.
 
^^It's not about "taking a pill to make you somebody else". Nobody is saying that about psychedelic drugs. What it's about is using the reflective state provided by the psychedelic space in order to recognize problematic behavioural patterns, to see their cause, and to perceive means by which you can actualise a positive change for yourself.
 
Yes I think so. I think moderate dose trips would be suitable for this type of 'inner-work'. You may find that you feel the need to repeat the experience several times in order to get an understanding of the phenomenological cues that will allow you to understand the nature of your behavioural patterns.
 
I haven't had any success with bettering myself/curing anxiety with psychedelics. I just think I'm not cut out for psychedelics at all... they always make me feel anxious, even in low dosages.

If I were you, I'd ask your doctor for some clonazepam or ativan... stuff clinically proven to reduce social anxiety.
 
I found a lot of useful soul-searching with MDMA, but looking back it seemed like a temporary solution that didn't help me in the long run. The feeling of love, euphoria, and understanding was chemically induced, so I'm left wondering if it I actually bettered myself internally or if I was just fooling myself.
 
after reading half to most of the posts here i tend to agree with the notion that acid won't help you in any way to become more confident, but it will possibly give you some insight into why you lack confidence.
i think what you really need is personal development, while drugs can give you a small amount of this they will only do so in the environment where you would be making progress any way, to shorten the story, you can progress in many ways personally without any chemical influence but you can only get so far where drugs are concerned.
as other people have mentioned, going to the gym or just doing something physically active is a very good start, reading, learning and socialising are all things that will do you good too, if you feel uncomfortable in some situations maybe confront that(without drugs) put yourself out of you comfort zone a little bit once in a while and you'll find it gets easier each time.
i'm not telling you should or shouldn't take lsd, that is up to you but don't think it's gonna magically solve all your problems because you could end up finding it bites you on the ass and has the opposite effect.
if you're gonna trip then look at it as an experience and nothing more, take it for what it is not what you think it will be.
ps don't listen to some peoples negative comments, if they can't face their fears that is their problem, the only boundaries we have are the ones we make for ourselves.
be safe and have fun, peace <3
 
The psychedelic experience might give you a different point of view on your problems and inspire you with possible solutions. But you can't really change your personality permanently during a trip. Your "old personality" will come back after the trip. Then it's up to you to integrate the experienced and change your personality accordingly in normal states of consciousness.

Though it might as well happen that during the trip you're too busy with other stuff than thinking about your personality. Especially when doing high doses.
 
Dude dont think you need a trip. MDMA is the best drug on the earth in my opinion, best taken with other people. Take a high enough of a dose and you WILL open up to eachother and explore yourselves and in the end feel freakin great about yourself.
 
I have found 4-aco-dmt to be more helpful then lsd or any other psych when it comes to this kind of thing. I was diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder a couple yrs back but think its bullshit. Social phobia or borderline personailty disorder seems to be more what i have but thats beside the point, mushrooms can be very therepuetic for some people, I was shocked how different and normal i act around people while on 4-aco-dmt but just like everybody else has said when you come down. You become your real self again and it sucks. I wish i could stay that person i am on 4-aco-dmt instead of the socially anxious, awkward, serious person i am in really life. But after 4-5 yrs of trying to fix it, i just now am starting to learn about cognitive therapy and for most people that is the best option. I believe history has shown that. Drugs are temporary fixes, if you want something more permanent look into cognitive behavioral therapy and dont waste your time trying what a lot of other people (like me) have already tried.
 
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