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How to get more than 4 hours sleep with GBL/GHB?

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The 'dopamine rebound,' as it's called, means that you wake up after only 4 hours of sleep. I don't remember why, but it's listed in PHARMACODYNAMICS by Dale Pendall. Even if it is a deep sleep it still doesn't feel quite right. Reading about Xyrem dosing, I notice that they direct users to take another dose 2.5-4 hours later, presumably because the user is going to wake up.

Is it possible to dose once and sleep past this rebound? Other supplements someone could take?
 
Nope. Don't do GBL/GHB to sleep, that's a bad habit. It's when you use it to sleep that the addiction starts becoming a concern.
 
^ this!

I stopped taking GBL for this reason - was interfering with my sleep, and once you start redosing to sleep you are on the path to 24 hour dosing..

Not sure about supplements, I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would help, and I definitely would not recommend taking another downer with GBL.
 
Take a lower dose.

But as the other guys said, doing it to sleep is asking to get hooked. I remember back when I was using, I ended up sleeping less (like < 3 hours a night) because I was redosing GBL all the time, forgetting to go to sleep, and was basically on a 24/7 rebound. And I only started using it to help me get to sleep, too.
 
Are you using it to get to sleep? Or are you using it all the time anyway?

The only way really is to not use it for a good long time before going to sleep.. let the "rebound affect" happen before you sleep.. then if necassary have a couple of alcololic drinks to help you get to sleep that night.. No matter what i've done if i take GBL before going to sleep I WILL wake up 2 - 3 hours later.. every 2 - 3 hours, all night.. unless i stop taking GBL for atleast 8 - 10 hours before going to sleep..
 
can someone explain what the rebound effect is as my friend uses gbh to help him sleep for long peroids of time due to him being on steroids and competing but he did mention his sleep is broken although leaves him really refreshed

is the rebound effect what hes talking about, as i dont think he knows about this
 
^ rickolanice summed it up: you WILL wake up after a certain amount of time has passed. You can't really do anything about it. That's the rebound effect.
 
If your in trouble with GBL many people recommend switching to GHB before tapering down as its effects come on slower and last longer, its very easy to convert GBL to GHB but its against site rules for me to tell you how to do that but google is you friend...and maybe B&Q;)

They both make me puke at any kind of recreational dose which is a fine example of a blessing in disguise
 
Do NOT attempt to use GBL/GHB as a means to get to sleep. You Will end up having to redose and eventually have it fuck up your sleeping...

Using it 1/2 times a week will not mind you.
 
I took GBL for months every day and the dopamine rebound never affected me too badly. Id wake up, go toilet and drink some water then go back to bed and straight back to sleep.
 
I've never got this at all, anyone else? I do gbl once a week (maybe twice at very most), but never noticed it effecting my sleep. Does this only happen with heavier use? I take around 2.1 ml each time.
 
^^^

If you do to much it knocks you out, which I guess counts as sleep, the problm bing you tend to wake up 2-3 hour later and then do more to get back off again leading to 24/7 dosing and a messy situation, so my aunties pet goldfish told me;)
 
GHB and GBL are limited in their use as a sleep aid because the half life is so short, and there's no real way to get around that.
 
atm23 said:
^^^

If you do to much it knocks you out, which I guess counts as sleep, the problm bing you tend to wake up 2-3 hour later and then do more to get back off again leading to 24/7 dosing and a messy situation, so my aunties pet goldfish told me;)
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I've definitely been knocked out from it a few times (hadn't eaten in a while I guess) - but I always just slept my regular amount (9 hours or more).
 
^ Yeah if you havn't been caning it all day then staying a sleep shouldn't be too hard..
 
Not 100% sure on the chemistry, but think it goes something like this - GBL basically has 2 main effects, with GABA and with GHB. GHB = stim, GABA = sedation. For the first couple hours, the GABA effect is strongest, so you get sedation. Then after that wears off and gets overtaken by the GHB stim effects, that's what causes the rebound. So if you've been using for a long time, the longer-lasting stim effects stack up with each other. Same as with higher dosage, the rebound effect is gonna be a lot stronger.
 
I used to use GHB as a sleep aid back in the late 90s. I found that taking less, just enough to get to sleep, allowed me to sleep a full 8 hours. If I took too much, I would wake up in a couple hours. Sorry, it's been so long I can't recall the doses.

As a side note, I recall being concerned about my daily sodium intake, since the product I was using was the sodium salt. I think I considered making the potassium salt, and can't remember why I didn't do that in the first place. I suppose if you're using straight GBL, it's not a concern.
 
You want to be careful you're not taking in too much potassium - it's hard to overdo it as the kidneys remove excess potassium from the body, but if you do manage to then it can be extremely dangerous/fatal..
 
llamer said:
The 'dopamine rebound,' as it's called, means that you wake up after only 4 hours of sleep. I don't remember why, but it's listed in PHARMACODYNAMICS by Dale Pendall. Even if it is a deep sleep it still doesn't feel quite right. Reading about Xyrem dosing, I notice that they direct users to take another dose 2.5-4 hours later, presumably because the user is going to wake up.

Is it possible to dose once and sleep past this rebound? Other supplements someone could take?
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No. End of discussion.
 
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