Heroin How to convert milk of poppy (j&j) into morphine e

[cantodfortrying]

So I’ve been collecting milk of poppy for some time now have dried into opium was wondering what the best method is to convert into morphine and then ultimately H hcl (trying to ween off fentanyl and methadone don’t cut it

 

[daturetard]

If methadone isn't helping with fent wd morphine definitely won't. However, if you want to know- I believe the process is taking the opium and dissolving it in (basic) alcohol, filtering, evaporating, adding more base (until a pH of 11) dissolving both (o/base) in warm water and letting it come to room temperature, acidification to 8.5-9.5 pH and using benzene or toluene to pull the morphine out of the aqueous layer (could probably do a second pull on the used opium mixture). Then to get it to "h" (6mam in this case) you would want to take the solvent and freeze precipitate (less waste) or evaporate to get the morphine (semi pure with a few other alkaloids).
With the morphine you need to add 1/10 the weight of the morphine in organic base (such as lime) and add a bunch of glacial acetic acid (not controlled like anhydride, and too much shouldnt hurt more than being wasteful) until it acetylates the 6 position of the morphine. At this point you have black tar, a non pure version of 'heroin'.

US Pat 6,054,584 - Process for Extracting and Purifying Morphine From Opium

Of course I've never done any part of this so wouldn't know if it works or weather this method is worthwhile. Read what erowid has to say about the first part (extraction) Don't just take my word for it.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Milk of Poppy can only come from a non dried Pod right. Maybe someone can ansewer my question too.

The field of Poppy's at a farm nearby is loosing their beautiful purple pedals's. So its more or less green Pod's, which imo might increase in size somewhat.

After the harvest, its legal to do this, I am thinking of collecting some of the remain's. So these will be fresh Pods and stem's. Assuming the farmer wait's for the seed's to be ready. This is something you would wanna get rid of, which eassier with dried Pod's then fresh ones I assume.

But on the other side fresh vs dried, isn't fresh more potent. Saw them inject the fresh raw milk barely filtered in one of the Eastern Europe country's.

so drying some for later use, but are they stronger fresh is what Iwould like to know.

 

[seedee]

you can't inject the milk of the poppy that would make you insanely sick

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

So I’ve been collecting milk of poppy for some time now have dried into opium was wondering what the best method is to convert into morphine and then ultimately H hcl (trying to ween off fentanyl and methadone don’t cut it

There's a much easier method to extract morphine from opium than the method using basic alcohol solution and other chemicals that daturetard suggest using.

A great book to to read that is also a layman's how to guide for poppy growing, poppy pod and seed tea, extracting morphine and turning it in to Heroin along with the history of of opium and info on a few other opioids is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire.
Get the latest edition, it has more information.

If methadone isn't helping with fent wd morphine definitely won't. However, if you want to know- I believe the process is taking the opium and dissolving it in alcohol, filtering, evaporating, adding a base (until a pH of 11) dissolving both (o/base) in warm water and letting it come to room temperature, acidification to 8.5-9.5 pH and using benzene or toluene to pull the morphine out of the aqueous layer (could probably do a second pull on the used opium mixture). Then to get it to "h" (6mam in this case) you would want to take the solvent and freeze precipitate (less waste) or evaporate to get the morphine (semi pure with a few other alkaloids).
With the morphine you need to add 1/10 the weight of the morphine in organic base (such as lime) and add a bunch of glacial acetic acid (not controlled like anhydride, and too much shouldnt hurt more than being wasteful) until it acetylates the 6 position of the morphine. At this point you have black tar, a non pure version of 'heroin'.

US Pat 6,054,584 - Process for Extracting and Purifying Morphine From Opium

Of course I've never done any part of this so wouldn't know if it works or weather this method is worthwhile. Read what erowid has to say about the first part (extraction) Don't just take my word for it.

You're right about either morphine or Heroin probably not helping to wean off if methadone isn't working, especially if it's not regulated like a prescription would be.

Also there's a much easier method where opium is dissolved in water and lime/calcium hydroxide is used to make calcium morphenate which is then precipitated and floats to the top by adding ammonium chloride and then filtered off.
This is then further purified.

Milk of Poppy can only come from a non dried Pod right. Maybe someone can ansewer my question too.

The field of Poppy's at a farm nearby is loosing their beautiful purple pedals's. So its more or less green Pod's, which imo might increase in size somewhat.

After the harvest, its legal to do this, I am thinking of collecting some of the remain's. So these will be fresh Pods and stem's. Assuming the farmer wait's for the seed's to be ready. This is something you would wanna get rid of, which eassier with dried Pod's then fresh ones I assume.

But on the other side fresh vs dried, isn't fresh more potent. Saw them inject the fresh raw milk barely filtered in one of the Eastern Europe country's.

so drying some for later use, but are they stronger fresh is what Iwould like to know.

Yes, milk of the poppy aka opium (or poppy tears, scientific name: Lachryma papaveris.) do come from none dried poppies.
Usually ten or more days after the petals have fallen off.
Ideally after a few days hot weather and not watering the plant, this increases morphine production.
Wet weather some how flushes the morphine out/significantly reduces it.

It's not legal to milk them but is legal to collect them once dried just not for human consumption obviously.

 

[daturetard]

There's a much easier method to extract morphine from opium than the method using basic alcohol solution and other chemicals that daturetard suggest
Also there's a much easier method where opium is dissolved in water and lime/calcium hydroxide is used to make calcium morphenate which is then precipitated and floats to the top by adding ammonium chloride and then filtered off.

Yes! Thank you. I was writing down that you first add CaOH in 1/10 the weight of opium then dissolve it in water to extract the crude morphine, but then checked the erowid document and changed it. I knew I had read that somewhere but didn't want to parrot false info so changed to the info on erowid. Thanks again!

 

[daturetard]

Milk of Poppy can only come from a non dried Pod right. Maybe someone can ansewer my question too.

The field of Poppy's at a farm nearby is loosing their beautiful purple pedals's. So its more or less green Pod's, which imo might increase in size somewhat.

After the harvest, its legal to do this, I am thinking of collecting some of the remain's. So these will be fresh Pods and stem's. Assuming the farmer wait's for the seed's to be ready. This is something you would wanna get rid of, which eassier with dried Pod's then fresh ones I assume.

But on the other side fresh vs dried, isn't fresh more potent. Saw them inject the fresh raw milk barely filtered in one of the Eastern Europe country's.

so drying some for later use, but are they stronger fresh is what Iwould like to know.

@TheUltimateFixx

 

[emkee_reinvented]

There's a much easier method to extract morphine from opium than the method using basic alcohol solution and other chemicals that daturetard suggest using.

A great book to to read that is also a layman's how to guide for poppy growing, poppy pod and seed tea, extracting morphine and turning it in to Heroin along with the history of of opium and info on a few other opioids is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire.
Get the latest edition, it has more information.



You're right about either morphine or Heroin probably not helping to wean off if methadone isn't working, especially if it's not regulated like a prescription would be.

Also there's a much easier method where opium is dissolved in water and lime/calcium hydroxide is used to make calcium morphenate which is then precipitated and floats to the top by adding ammonium chloride and then filtered off.
This is then further purified.




Yes, milk of the poppy aka opium (or poppy tears, scientific name: Lachryma papaveris.) do come from none dried poppies.
Usually ten or more days after the petals have fallen off.
Ideally after a few days hot weather and not watering the plant, this increases morphine production.
Wet weather some how flushes the morphine out/significantly reduces it.

It's not legal to milk them but is legal to collect them once dried just not for human consumption obviously.

Over here its legal to collect leftover Potato's, Onion's, Cabbage and such. Been since the food-starvation late 1944, "the Hunger Winter". German's losing. How fucked can it get. Reliant on drops from Allies for food and med's.

On the rural area's there was less starvation, diverting some of the shit. All the way back through NL. Quite some walks you imagine 100 km plus walk's. Especially when skinny as a bone, and a family waiting at home.

But I hope for no more rain, probably in vain. Tourist's notice the climate HAS changed. Inconvenient for the industrie. LOL .But they somehow got to learn the lesson, everything is connected, eventually.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

@emkee_reinvented Sadly Southern Europe is going to become like North Africa and I assume Northern Europe will end up hot like how Southern Europe was.

Expect hotter wetter summers too.

Do you live near where Opium poppies are farmed in the Netherlands?

The farmers will harvest once the poppies dry out. They use machines to cut the a bit of the stalk under the pod and then it goes to a factory where the dried poppy pod husk aka poppy straw is separated from the seeds.
The poppy straw is used to make opioids and animal fodder and the seeds for food and oil.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@emkee_reinvented Sadly Southern Europe is going to become like North Africa and I assume Northern Europe will end up hot like how Southern Europe was.

Expect hotter wetter summers too.

Do you live near where Opium poppies are farmed in the Netherlands?

The farmers will harvest once the poppies dry out. They use machines to cut the a bit of the stalk under the pod and then it goes to a factory where the dried poppy pod husk aka poppy straw is separated from the seeds.
The poppy straw is used to make opioids and animal fodder and the seeds for food and oil.

Yes, its totally legal to grow, not to extract. Wonder if it will be used for Opi's.
But its an good crop for the rotation sysytem farmer's use. Meaning you change the crop to the most suitable cabdidate from another part of the flora tree. So no Tomato's where the Potato's were last year, both Nightshade family.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

I know the Netherlands does grow opium poppy for poppy straw to manufacture opioids, so it is possible that the farm near you is growing them for that purpose.

As the opium is not harvested the traditional way, cutting/slitting the pod and letting the latex ooze out and dry, you could, if the field is big enough and you'd be sway from view, harvest your own, as the pods won't be harvested till they dry out.
Obviously I'm not encouraging that, as it's highly illegal.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I know the Netherlands does grow opium poppy for poppy straw to manufacture opioids, so it is possible that the farm near you is growing them for that purpose.

As the opium is not harvested the traditional way, cutting/slitting the pod and letting the latex ooze out and dry, you could, if the field is big enough and you'd be sway from view, harvest your own, as the pods won't be harvested till they dry out.
Obviously I'm not encouraging that, as it's highly illegal.

Like you pointed out after they harvested picking up the remain's is legal. But before that its tresspassing and theft. On a small island, in the great wide open. When caught, anybody know's. Never knew NL. produced raw Opium, I thought allmost all med's came from outside NL. Maybe its exported?

But no reason to get a Police record for some Opium Poppy's, I prefer Kratom over it. Or being chased by a farmer with a riffle. So I'll wait or let it pass.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

They don't produce raw opium, they allow the pod's to dry out and then extract the opiates that way and from some of them manufacture other opioids.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

They don't produce raw opium, they allow the pod's to dry out and then extract the opiates that way and from some of them manufacture other opioids.

Cool, to know we at least contribute a little on producing real Opiate's. Instead all the sad story's involving Fentanyl, Xylazine, Rc-Opiod's.

Our gouvernement/ medical grade Dia-Morphine project for the group of addict's that just don't respond to the other option's. Might be sourced from our one Pod's. maybe my one time prescribed Oxycodone was home made. Like my Dextro-Amphetamine.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

The difference in strength depends on the type of poppy, ie is it a high-bred commercial strain or the far less potent field / garden variety. Alkaloid content isn't lessened by drying. @emkee_reinvented

 

[daturetard]

Also there's a much easier method where opium is dissolved in water and lime/calcium hydroxide is used to make calcium morphenate which is then precipitated and floats to the top by adding ammonium chloride and then filtered off.

Would the ammonium be necessary? I was pretty sure that the reason the CaOH method is easier is because calcium morphenate is insoluble in water and precipitates out on its own, needing only to be filtered? Sorry for the late reply.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The difference in strength depends on the type of poppy, ie is it a high-bred commercial strain or the far less potent field / garden variety. Alkaloid content isn't lessened by drying. @emkee_reinvented

No that seems indeed very unlightly, accept when enzymatic/ uv or drying processes change the alkaloid's to an inactive form. The alkaloid content should increase in dried material, as H2O is large part of the total weight fresh.

My Bioligie and Herbal knowledge is ok including natural enzymetic thing's, basic chemistry and experience. Just higher chemistry I'll call it quit's, some people here know a lot more then the avarage chemist even. Way over my head, but love reading it.

ps. Don't under estimate garden variety's, same treatment. Homogenize, test and tirtate up, would be my advice.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

You won’t even feel real heroin if your habit is methadone + fentanyl.

None of withdrawal anmd tapering is easy. It’s going to involve a lot of sickness. I would just be sick being off fent and raise the methadone as much as possible while abstaining from fent then taper down the methadone slowly

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

No that seems indeed very unlightly, accept when enzymatic/ uv or drying processes change the alkaloid's to an inactive form. The alkaloid content should increase in dried material, as H2O is large part of the total weight fresh.

My Bioligie and Herbal knowledge is ok including natural enzymetic thing's, basic chemistry and experience. Just higher chemistry I'll call it quit's, some people here know a lot more then the avarage chemist even. Way over my head, but love reading it.

ps. Don't under estimate garden variety's, same treatment. Homogenize, test and tirtate up, would be my advice.

Ok yes I should have added that drying ANY plant will obviously concentrate whatever it contains ; so a gram of poppy juice won't be equivalent to a gram of resin.

I was more trying to get at the fact that the sheer potency of the plant you harvest IN THE FIRST PLACE is mostly to do with how strong it was bred to be.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Ok yes I should have added that drying ANY plant will obviously concentrate whatever it contains ; so a gram of poppy juice won't be equivalent to a gram of resin.

I was more trying to get at the fact that the sheer potency of the plant you harvest IN THE FIRST PLACE is mostly to do with how strong it was bred to be.

If you dry em the right way! Khat we just found out contain's Cathinone which s broken down in the plant by enzyme's present. Under influence of UV, heat poor drying teknique they are active and form Cathine.

The specific form it's in the twig's (the freebase) also makes it suceptibale to form inactive dimer's. Which also has to be taken into account. So for proper drying these must be considered choosing the way which is best.

So not any plant, Cannabis must be dried in absolute darkness and then after cured (a form of afterdrying which enhances taste) and creates the perfect taste and humidity/ dry balance. The 1-st step is very important for the forming of as much THC as possible. Light, even a little disturbs this. Poppy's are like Mushroom's the eassy ones.