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Benzos How the heck are benzodiazepines addictive?

Jabberwocky

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Hey,

How do you become addicted to benzodiazepines?. I had pills of vellum 5mg, and they were not anything great at all.
I needed about 10mg, and then an hour later I went into bed and fell asleep.

But how are they addictive?, Are they as addictive as stimulants?

Thanks!
 
A benzo will cause a physical addiction from regular use. If you abruptly stop using them, you can begin to have seizures. If I remember right, it's due to downregulation of GABA receptors (which are used in relaxing muscles as well as other purposes?). After you stop using, your body has nothing to compensate with so you end up getting muscle spasms, seizures, etc.

Sort of a rough description on it.
 
some people (especially those with anxiety problems) enjoy the effects and keep taking them, that's how

be happy you're not one of them, serious benzo addiction suxs much more than stimulant addiction
 
I couldn't tell you how a person would become addicted to parchment made from calf's skin, either.
 
if you take them regularly you'll become dependent on them. Simple as that.

This..

Benzos are addictive in the way all drugs that can cause physical dependence are.. Whether you personally like them or not is kind of irrelevant.. peoples tastes are different. Many many people love benzos or even have to take them for legit medical purposes like anxiety. They however are a class of drugs that can cause physical addiction as well as mental.. they actually lead to a very serious dependency with dangerous withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Well IMO generally, the people that end up addicted to them usually enjoy them and benefit from them.

Like others said, be glad you aren't one who enjoys them, OP
 
This is like asking "why do people get addicted to drugs?"

Simple answer is, they make people feel good. Different people get addicted to different drugs for different reasons.

When I was 18, I took about 5 percocets, got sleepy and disoriented and hated the feeling.
There was NOTHING pleasurable about the experience.

So I tried them again, and it was the same thing. I decided I hated opiates, and wound up getting addicted to speed.

Well fast forward a decade, and I haven't done speed in 10+ years. But I DID wind up trying opiates again, and later in
my life I experience my first nod. I got the warm glowing euphoria, the whole 9 yards. Then I understood why people
get addicted to opiates.

Benzos are a weird drug in the way that they seem to just tranquilize people. But they also relax your body and make
you feel peaceful and calm. More than that, benzos synergize with so many different drugs. Like taking sub and xanax
creates a powerful high. The sub is a bit stimulating and keeps you awake, the benzos potentiate the painkilling and
sedation. So its a nice warm, euphoric high.

I've never mixed benzos with cocaine, but I'd imagine thats another great mix. Or benzos with MDMA. Or benzos
with weed.

Point is, everyone gets addicted for their own reasons. Whether its boredom, problems with life, etc etc. And
anyone can get addicted to anything.
 
Besides the obvious answer of growing physically addicted over time, recreationally, I view benzos as a compliment to other drugs. Whether it's to calm your mind after some stimulants, amplify the effects of opiates, or kill a bad trip, they can be a powerful tool.

I personally grew dependent after using them to combat anxiety from smoking weed, and then finding their long half life to significantly reduce general anxiety the next day. This changed over time as my tolerance rose and I grew physically addicted, now I'm in the process of kicking them. While they may not seem like the most exciting drug at first, they can find a way to sneak into your life, especially if you suffer from anxiety issues.
 
OP, you're associating recreational potential with addiction. Unfortunately that isn't how it works. Benzodiazepines cause chemical imbalances in the brain with longterm use, specifically down-regulation of GABA-A receptors, which results in a physical dependency. Whether you find them beneficial, recreational, or otherwise, this is a constant - longterm use of benzodiazepines will ultimately lead up to dependence at some point, the result of which can end in rather uncomfortable, dangerous, and potentially deadly withdrawal.

I never found benzodiazepines to be recreational. In fact, I never liked the feeling of Xanax at all but it effectively relieved anxiety so I became dependent on them. I've experienced the withdrawal first hand. It is very real and much more severe than anything else that I have ever experienced and I have a very addictive personality. I can become addicted to anything - but I've always been able to stop with just a bit of strong will. It takes much more than that when it comes to benzos.

By the way, 10mg of Valium is equal in potency to 1mg of Xanax but Valium is far less recreational at that level. It functions much more as you described - as a sedative - at low doses. Higher doses change in character but you have an added risk of dependence. I can almost guarantee you that if you keep experimenting with benzos, you will end up with a cycle of usage. I don't know anyone who hates all benzos. Its pretty much unheard of. At least until they experience withdrawal the first time, then hatred can emerge very quickly. If you don't enjoy them, then you're lucky because you won't ever have to worry about going through what a lot of us have.
 
Let me preface with more so than "addictive" benzo's are something you become dependent on which anyone that's had an opiate issue knows dependency is a whole new level of "addiction". Rather than just wanting something really really bad, your body physically screams at you and starts going a little crazy when it doesn't get what it wants, and in most cases makes you feel like your going to die if you don't get your substance. Problem with Benzo's is they are one of the two substances that withdraw's alone can KILL YOU, yes improper detox from a benzo like alcohol will end your life, if not you could experience seizures , lack of sleep , restlessness, ect. My girl became dependent before we met and the stories she's told me rival a 150mg a day oxy habit, then going cold turkey.
Physical dependency happens for most around 3 to 4 weeks of regular use, sooner if you have a high intake.
Just like with anything , best advise is know your sheet and moderation , taper up , taper down.
 
Benzos aren't the most exciting drug, and that's the point! If you don't have a tolerance to them, they'll stop the worst anxiety and racing thoughts dead in their tracks, whether it's from using more stimulants than you can handle, or simply from the stresses of life. the peaceful state benzos can give you in the face of extreme stress can feel like a high just for the relief it provides. It's an amazing class of drugs for that reason...Taken on their own, for no good reason...they don't really get you high, but if you're just bored, they can kill the hours pretty effectively as well...Luckily, it's about the only class of drugs I've never become dependent on! It's also killed a good number of my friends who mixed them with opiates...
 
They are a kind of passive- aggressive drug. Some get no recreation effect from them at all. Others can rationalize taking them for their minimal recreational effects compared to other drugs while forgetting that the are one of the most physically addicted drug classes in existence.
 
Benzodiazepines can be physically addictive to any mammal on the planet made to consume them long enough, whether they love or hate the drug class itself does not matter. Actually, if memory serves benzodiazepines are the second most addicting (I still say Opiates are first) drug class on the planet. There is nothing I can think of that compares to the physical/emotional/spiritual agony somebody with a real Opiate addiction goes through during detox--besides tales of Hell, that is. But that said, absolutely the most dangerous class of drugs to come off are Benzodiazepines, which does strike me as odd, considering it's so hard to overdose solely on benzodiazepines, yet take them long enough and then stop and you risk serious seizures, even death.

The problem with benzos, much like opiates, lies entirely in how insidious the addiction is. For starters, people who do not suffer from anxiety, insomnia or even depression have very, very little chance of becoming addicted to benzos--unless they are recovering alcoholics or opiate addicts, but even then I feel the chances are fairly low.

In my experience the three main groups at risk of serious benzo addiction are:
1) Opiate Junkies: There is no better opiate potentiator to be had. Benzos kick your Opiates into the next level.
2) People suffering from extreme Panic Attacks and Anxiety Disorders, also Insomnia. Benzos are the only medicine guaranteed to work every single time. That's the problem. They work too well. And what starts out as a tool becomes a crutch, becomes a wheelcheair, becomes an electric scooter.
3) People who use benzos to avoid their comedowns after abusing stimulants, and to calm their psychedelic journeys, that wind up developing an affinity for one of the World's greatest "Chill Pills".
 
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if you take them regularly you'll become dependent on them. Simple as that.
This isn't insightful. Someone who's consuming one valium every second Tuesday of the month (but no benzos at any other time) is certainly taking them regularly. However, I think the chances he'll become dependent on them are slim.

Besides, dependence isn't a function only of the frequency of usage.

Amount that's consumed regularly is a factor. The strength of the benzo(s) consumed is a factor. The reason for using them is a factor (everything else equal, you're less likely to become dependent if you're taking them as prescribed by a doctor for treatment of a medical condition as opposed to taking them recreationally -- of course, this doesn't rule out the possibility that you can become dependent from therapeutic usage).

Furthermore, genetic dispositions (e.g., gender) have shown to be a factor. There is at least tentative evidence other things matter as well ("personality, social development and social pathology, etc.)

Your answer isn't helpful. I can't believe some idiot even '+1'-ed your reply.
 
^ Are you a troll? Or just argumentative, love to split hairs? Or just lacking fundamental English skills due to a poor public school system (If that's the case sorry for the following post, you just came off as such a douche I couldn't help it)? I was an English major and I feel that with confidence I could say that consuming a Valium every second Tuesday is absolutely notregular use. I'm not sure you know what the word "regular" means, or how to use it properly. I suggest this website called, "dictionary.com" I think you'll find it real useful, and you may be able to contribute something intelligent to our discussions here. I mean honestly. What's regular about taking one regular valium (which regularly happens to be one of the weakest benzos, not that it would matter anyways, regularly) two regular times a month. If anything that would be regularly rarely taking Valium. Which is the responsible way to use benzos, my mom has been regularly using benzos this way for the past 4 years now, regularly. No dependency whatsoever. I'm callin you out man, I don't think you know what you're talkin about. I think you have just enough knowledge to make yourself more wrong. So the odds of said person winding up with a problem based off your ridiculous scenario? I'm going with a 00.008214% chance of addiction developing. But you never know, I'm just a regular guy, and I make mistakes like the rest of us.
 
^ Are you a troll? Or just argumentative, love to split hairs? Or just lacking fundamental English skills due to a poor public school system (If that's the case sorry for the following post, you just came off as such a douche I couldn't help it)? I was an English major and I feel that with confidence I could say that consuming a Valium every second Tuesday is absolutely notregular use. I'm not sure you know what the word "regular" means, or how to use it properly. I suggest this website called, "dictionary.com" I think you'll find it real useful, and you may be able to contribute something intelligent to our discussions here.
"regularly: at the same time every day, week, month, etc.: on a regular basis" (Marriam-Webster)

And, btw, my point was much broader than that. OP asked how you become dependent. It's not exactly deep to answer that you become dependent "if you take them regularly," as sekio suggested.

That's somewhat related to a definition of dependency. However, it doesn't come close in explaining what factors cause dependency, which is what the OP asked. It also doesn't help to explain how addiction to benzos differs from addiction to stimulants (the other question OP asked).
 
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It's a mystery to me why I've never gotten addicted to benzos over these many years. I'm not bragging, I'm just so thankful this never happened to me, as I already have a pretty time-consuming and expensive affinity for opiates.

It's strange - as much as I love opiates, I've never enjoyed using benzos at the same time. I also have anxiety issues coupled with depression (according to the dr., anyway) - even still, I hate the way benzos make me feel. Benzos are the lowest drug on the totem pole as far as I'm concerned. Even if I have NOTHING else lying around, I wouldn't take one for shit, unless for some reason I just wanted to feel worse.

As I started to mention in my last post, I read in a book called "The Addiction Solution" (can't remember the author) that benzo addiction is commonly linked to people with an imbalance of norepinephrine in their brain. You know how some people say they like to take a drug because it makes them feel "normal"? The book made the link between different chemical imbalances and all (commonly abused) drugs, which might begin to explain how a person can feel that their DOC helps them function better in daily life. Maybe there is something to this, idk.
 
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