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How stupid is your 'key worker'/'doctor'/'health care professional?'

omen_owen mk2 said:
He's looking at starting to run a scheme involving service users helping to train new drug workers, which is a superb idea, and hopefully one I might get the chance to be part of. No certainties in that at alll yet though.
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It was actually some (apparently failed and/or abandoned) scheme similarish to the one you mention that had me on a course supposedly being "properly" trained in HR and general drug info. The actual training was appalling. It's no wonder so many key workers are clueless. Was an ex-copper just reeling off drug myth after drug myth as FACT!. I couldn't restrain myself from picking up on each one and challenging it. He had no answer for any of them and - in so many words - told me to wind my neck in cos he surely knows better than me cos he was a copper and saw druggies and drugs daily. Cos they're well known for being well-informed on aspects of drugs beyond busting people are coppers 8)

Was an interesting insight into just how bad and how out of date training is in at least wherever that fella trains folk and I suspect quite a bit more widespread. It was honestly like one of those lessons at school where a copper comes in to talk to the class about drugs - complete with those lil plastic sealed boxes with supposed samples of various drugs in. Sooooooo tempting to "lose" a few :D

I have considered (somewhat vaguely) going down the key worker (or related style o' thing) role. It is a bit cliché for an ex(ish)-addict but it's one of few career options that are even remotely viable if I don't want to stay on the sick forever. I've gotten as far as talking to my own (previous) key worker and my briefly-had peer mentor about it and gotten good response and encouragement in return. One thing that especially appealed was that I've consistently been assured that current drug use would not prevent a position as a key worker or similar as long as that drug use did not affect work in any noticeable way. This seemed unusually candid to me and suggests they probably meant it. And there's certainly been a few drug workers I've worked with where the suspicion was pretty damn strong too :D
 
Shambles said:
It was actually some (apparently failed and/or abandoned) scheme similarish to the one you mention that had me on a course supposedly being "properly" trained in HR and general drug info. The actual training was appalling. It's no wonder so many key workers are clueless. Was an ex-copper just reeling off drug myth after drug myth as FACT!. I couldn't restrain myself from picking up on each one and challenging it. He had no answer for any of them and - in so many words - told me to wind my neck in cos he surely knows better than me cos he was a copper and saw druggies and drugs daily. Cos they're well known for being well-informed on aspects of drugs beyond busting people are coppers 8)
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Lol that sounds appalling. No way this will be anything like that, my key worker is fucking bang on with his drug knowledge of both substance of abuse and psychiatric medicines. I've only known him a short while but I just know he wouldn't have anything to do with any bullshit like that.

He's only mentioned it in passing but I would take a guess that it would be more to do with training workers in how service users experience the treatment they are given, feeding back as to precisely the sort of issues that have been brought up in this thread and that sort of thing. He mentioned he wanted someone with decent drug knowledge though so I guess that will be part of it. For the moment the focus is on getting my ass clean though!

Whether I do get the chance to be involved or not it sounds like it will be a really beneficial for the clinic though and just the sort of thing services need to be doing to help them deliver treatment more effectively. I really do hope I get the chance to be involved though, I think it would be beneficial for my recovery and I'd really like to get the chance to help improve the manner in which treatment is delivered. Will be a paid position if I get the opportunity too which is ace!

What are you on the sick for?
 
Mostly for a chronic back problem but also includes stress, anxiety and depression (admittedly they've improved greatly recently but must admit I'm in no hurry to rock the boat given it's bloody ATOS who do the medicals and they'll kick you off if you are at death's door so may not rush to tell them I'm all better (partly cos that's probably not actually the case anyway - mostly cos it would turn my life upside-down and not in a good way). Initially it was those two plus drug addiction but they don't include the latter as legitimate grounds for not working so much now... despite nobody wanting to employ somebody on drugs. My assorted key workers and related folks over the years generally just go with the fact it's fairly obvious I'd not be able to hold down any real job for any length of time and nobody would employ me anyway and combined with my physical surroundings (there are no jobs in a very wide radius of where I live - am extremely rural here) the general opinion is it doesn't really matter what the sick notes say cos there's no way I am suitable for work currently.

It's better than signing on - and the Job Centre here will put folk on the sick just to get them off the unemployment list anyway cos they know there are no jobs for anybody and they have to meet targets so just fiddle it basically. It's also quite frustrating at times but I do think I'm probably best off taking my time to get myself into a position where there is realistic chance of making a real move away from benefits that has some chance of sticking and succeeding. Mucking about going back and forth is just demoralising and counter-productive. Would be far better if I could put things in place now to make future... something more feasible. I suspect that would take a longterm script though and that is not looking very likely. Will have to see how things go but where I live nobody is really expected to be able to find work because there is no work for anybody and probably hasn't been since they closed all the mines and farming became mechanised. We can't all stack shelves at the Spar 8)

As I've said before, somewhat ironically it is so much easier to get work and stick with it for a bit when you're on the gear. Assuming you can afford to buy enough to not be skipping days sick anyway. Since I quite I've not worked a day aside from a voluntary job I had for a few years (which was virtually 9-5 actually but the council took over and my services were no longer required).
 
Survival0200 said:
Stupid doctors who want to solve everything with antidepressants and antipsychotics ... 8)
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Tell me about it, I have worked my way through nearly every antidepressant and anti psychotic there is and none of them help at all! In fact the anti psychotics make me psychotic and they were the tipping point in pushing me into having a life changing seizure while in detox. I don't agree with the use of anti psychotics at all as they have so many side effects and there is no proof they even work. Oh look this keyed up strange man can no longer climb the walls and has stopped shouting, these anti psychotics must be working -fuck off, a creamy bong would have the same effect but it does not mean said person is any less psychotic. They are nothing more than brain washing sedatives which in some cases may help but not many.
 
Survival0200 said:
Stupid doctors who want to solve everything with antidepressants and antipsychotics ... 8)
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In many cases it's not the stupidity of the doctors that's to blame, it's the lack of time and other essential resources available to the NHS. Not that it necessarily helps those who may legitimately feel shortchanged, but I'm sure many of us wouldn't complain about the same doctors being free and easy with the stims, tranquilisers and opiates.
 
Il tell you how stupid or perhaps my drug worker is. The other day i was in there and it was quite a nice day and i was looking like benny from crossroads wearing a woolly hat. She passed comment on it and i foolishly attempted to explain. My hairs a mess. Well whys that then? Because i couldnt put my hands on a brush. Why couldnt you find a brush? Becausei have to hide them from the dog. Oh whys that then...?

Basically the bitch was trying to lead me into saying something to the effect of "its because im a filthy dirty junkie bag head and if i didnt have a heroin habit addiction whatever you think is the best name for it id have hair like cheryl cole"

Jaysus wept! She had her supervisor in and was clearly trying to look like miss thorough im drug worker of the year. She is akways like this though. Really fucking annoying. Ive been such a fool with her and been far to generous with information.

Anyway she then started to give it the big un when i was asking bout upping my green. "Well you reduced to 15 last year and we just put u up to 20 and youre still using ocasonally..." rhubarb rgubarb rhubarb.
So i sez to the bitch (knowing that this is something about herself and her practice that she really didnt want said in front of her supervisor)
"Well when i reduced last year i wasnt ready and felt pressured into it because u kept talking about the revolving door and government targets and i like you and thought i
 
pinkpapaver said:
Il tell you how stupid or perhaps my drug worker is. The other day i was in there and it was quite a nice day and i was looking like benny from crossroads wearing a woolly hat. She passed comment on it and i foolishly attempted to explain. My hairs a mess. Well whys that then? Because i couldnt put my hands on a brush. Why couldnt you find a brush? Becausei have to hide them from the dog. Oh whys that then...?

Basically the bitch was trying to lead me into saying something to the effect of "its because im a filthy dirty junkie bag head and if i didnt have a heroin habit addiction whatever you think is the best name for it id have hair like cheryl cole"
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And this is why I love you. I know I've said it before. Nothing wrong with positive reinforcement continuation. ;)

<3
 
Cont... i felt it wss the right thing to do.
Oh she said that wasnt herintention and shes on the back foot with the sipervisor watching. Tells me its my treatment and i should be the one in control. So there ya go.
Owrn i want it upped to better my chances of getting off the gear. Ivealso got a coupla scriptless friends that i give a few ml here and there to so 25ml is not a lot to ask
 
Just interested in why you think upping the dosage will stop you from using gear? A blocking dose is much higher than that, took about 80ml for me to get a blocking effect which is what finally stopped me from using (because banging up half a gram wouldn't even touch the sides) when I was on the juice. At lower dosages ime it doesn't really make a difference what dose you are on once you have stabilised because it just makes you feel normal. Maybe that's just me though I don't know.

It's not unreasonable to ask for an increase if you think it will help you stop using gear but at the same time I can understand your worker's reluctance to give it to you. Difficult one.
 
Dw just wants to meet taegets so they dont chop her . Bham are reassessing their drug treatment at the mi. I see them bein amalgamatrd and having to apply for their own jobs with worse conditions. Brum is skint so is the nhs
 
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