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How stimulating is 2ce? Mescaline?

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echonomix

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Hi PDers! My basic question is in the title. Specifically, does it make your heart rate increase or make the heart work harder? If so, how much?

The context is, I have a single cap of 2ce, unknown quantity but I would expect to be approximately one "average" dose (oral), based on what others have said. I have tripped before (shrooms, LSD) so I'm not worried about the psychedelic aspect of the experience, but it gets a little sticky because I have a heart condition. I get my heart checked once per year, and they always tell me it works better than the average population (probably thanks to years of distance running).

However, it's not uncommon for stimulants (coke, adderall, caffeine, even excess nicotine) to elevate my heart rate uncomfortably, and/or make my heart beat harder. Sometimes there is a bit of pain as well. About a month ago I had a particularly bad experience wherein I was drunk and did a single line of coke, and though i was actually going to die. My heart beat didn't feel normal for 2-3 days afterwards. Needless to say, I have cut out all stimulants after that episode (even caffeine), except nicotine (trying to quit). Before this incident I would have taken the 2ce without thinking twice (mainly because E pills never gave me a problem, and I figured them to be more stimulating than a 2c--especially considering what else may be in pills)

Besides MDMA (definitely on hold until i get another checkup) I have no desire to take any "stimulant" type drug again. However, I have a great opportunity to trip this weekend. I have the 2ce and 50 grams of peruvian torch (dried chips). If the 2ce seems safe to you guys, I would probably take that, as I'm saving the torch to trip with a friend. If mescaline sounds like a safer bet to you guys, I might go for the torch instead and just buy more afterwards.

If it all sounds stupid to you guys, say so and I'll just take bong rips and read a book ;)

Finally, one more quick ? to tag on: How long does 2ce usually last? I have had this for about 9 months, always in the dark, virtually air tight, and kept at cool temperature most of the time. If it's going to be bunk by now I obviously won't bother, but I'm assuming it hasn't degraded too much.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the wordy post! :D
 
echonomix said:
Hi PDers! My basic question is in the title. Specifically, does it make your heart rate increase or make the heart work harder? If so, how much?

The context is, I have a single cap of 2ce, unknown quantity but I would expect to be approximately one "average" dose (oral), based on what others have said. I have tripped before (shrooms, LSD) so I'm not worried about the psychedelic aspect of the experience, but it gets a little sticky because I have a heart condition. I get my heart checked once per year, and they always tell me it works better than the average population (probably thanks to years of distance running).

However, it's not uncommon for stimulants (coke, adderall, caffeine, even excess nicotine) to elevate my heart rate uncomfortably, and/or make my heart beat harder. Sometimes there is a bit of pain as well. About a month ago I had a particularly bad experience wherein I was drunk and did a single line of coke, and though i was actually going to die. My heart beat didn't feel normal for 2-3 days afterwards. Needless to say, I have cut out all stimulants after that episode (even caffeine), except nicotine (trying to quit). Before this incident I would have taken the 2ce without thinking twice (mainly because E pills never gave me a problem, and I figured them to be more stimulating than a 2c--especially considering what else may be in pills)

Besides MDMA (definitely on hold until i get another checkup) I have no desire to take any "stimulant" type drug again. However, I have a great opportunity to trip this weekend. I have the 2ce and 50 grams of peruvian torch (dried chips). If the 2ce seems safe to you guys, I would probably take that, as I'm saving the torch to trip with a friend. If mescaline sounds like a safer bet to you guys, I might go for the torch instead and just buy more afterwards.

If it all sounds stupid to you guys, say so and I'll just take bong rips and read a book ;)

Finally, one more quick ? to tag on: How long does 2ce usually last? I have had this for about 9 months, always in the dark, virtually air tight, and kept at cool temperature most of the time. If it's going to be bunk by now I obviously won't bother, but I'm assuming it hasn't degraded too much.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the wordy post! :D
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man, in harm reduction and sense you already said you may have a ehart condition (though I dont understand if you heart is better then the major population?) then I would say hold off. 2c-e isnt the most stimulating of them but it can be quite stimulating. like all psychedelics the effects you get change from dose to dose. Iv experienced some major stimulation while other times its been quite ?lucid? in effects. its no 2c-i in stimulation but... damn. I would honestly tell you not to mess with ANY psychedelics if you think you ahve aheart condition. difficult experiences can lead to raise in heart rate regaurdless if its the action of the drug to do so.

Im not going to tell you to do it, nor am I realy telling you not to. this seems like something you need weigh the pro's an dcons for. as I said, 2c-e can be stimulating, but then sometimes its not... shit man. I'll let others tell you more. IMO 2c-e is more stimulating then lsd, less so then mescaline.
 
Youkai said:
man, in harm reduction and sense you already said you may have a ehart condition (though I dont understand if you heart is better then the major population?) then I would say hold off.
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I have a bicuspid aortic valve and had a coarctation repair as an infant. What I mean is when they put me on a treadmill for a "stress test," I can run faster than most people without my heart working too hard. However, I ran competitively for years so it's not much of a surprise. The thing is, a stress test where I'm running doesn't make me feel very confident, even in a positive result, simply because no degree of running seems to make my heart really "go," compared to drugs or a highly anxiety-provoking situation.

Thanks for the responses, Youkai, Swerz, and B9. There is no hurry to trip, so it seems best to hold off until I have a better idea of how my heart is doing.
 
ts no 2c-i in stimulation but... damn.
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I found 20mg of 2c-i to be hardly stimulating at all.

If I were you though, I wouldn't take it, especially since it's an unknown dose.
 
like youkai said, ive snorted 2c-e n it gave me a huge rush but when i took it orally there was none. if u feel confident, id just do it and just be careful tho.
 
like youkai said, ive snorted 2c-e n it gave me a huge rush but when i took it orally there was none. if u feel confident, id just do it and just be careful tho.
 
2c-e has never been stimulating for me. I've only tried it orally. I'm not saying take my word that it won't be for you, but I think you'll be fine if it's not an enormous dose.
 
Oral 2C-E I actually find to be kind of sedating... not really sedating but it makes me want to be still. Snorted, I can't comment on. I find mescaline to be more stimulating than 2C-E for sure.
 
I've never done 2C-B, but mescaline increased my heart rate tremendously. Even lying down it felt like I was running a marathon or something. I normally have a fast heart beat but mescaline definitely increased it. It also made me sweat buckets, but I don't know if that's related to the increased heart rate.
 
I would say you shouldn't do it. Just not worth the risk to me - you only get one heart and one life.

Are you certain is it 2C-E? How confident are you in your source? Do they know exactly what they got? It could be one of the more stimulating 2C-xx's.

Best of luck.
 
pot_head22 said:
like youkai said, ive snorted 2c-e n it gave me a huge rush but when i took it orally there was none. if u feel confident, id just do it and just be careful tho.
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^ That's a very good point there. I usually snort 2C-E because I love the massively stimulating euphoric rush it gives me, but if you're concerned, you should be fine taking it orally. Orally it only really stimulates me a *little* during the 2 hour come up, and then after that it becomes much more dreamy and sedating.

Your best bet is to take the smallest recreational dose possible, say 10mg oral, you won't get a lot from it, but you'll see how your body reacts to it, if there are no problems or worries you can try 15mg, etc.

Also, 2C-E is extremely visual, one of the most visual drugs out there, but I don't really pay attention to the visuals on it, the main part is the analytical feel to it, you really feel like some genius or philosopher and you can come up with some truly great ideas if you work for it.
 
I say wait until a checkup op. I think some posters may be confusing subjective effects with physical effects. 2ce SEEMS sedating to me but also 10 minutes seems like an hour on it. I certainly do notice little spasms of energy and tension on it from time to time.

DevinTheDude said:
I see, so 2-ci is more visual but 2-ce has more thought involved.

Ever heard of a 2-ci / 2-ce combo?
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At the same dose I find 2ce far more visual than 2ci. I find 2ce pretty clear headed myself and not too deep, but i could see how for some it could be deep. I find 2ci kind of analytical and emotional.
 
2ce SEEMS sedating to me but also 10 minutes seems like an hour on it. I certainly do notice little spasms of energy and tension on it from time to time.
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What I meant, if you were referring to my post, is that when I have taken it orally and had someone measure my heart rate, it was normal for most of the time, sometimes a little over normal, but when I took it nasally my heart rate was going crazy. So I definitely think oral is the safer option, just start very low.
 
Yah oral may be a better route than nasal but I think he should wait and get checked out and if all is well take a good first dose without this issue looming in the back of his mind so he can fully enjoy it.

I truly don't think you will go into cardiac arrest from any reasonable first dose < 30 but I don't know what kind of strain you would be putting on your heart and body op.

I don't know if this has been answered but at 20 mgs its an 8 hr. Trip for me and about 10-12 before sleep is possible. Very similar timeframe to LSD.
 
All good advice... suspected heart condition, do NOT be messing with stimulants of ANY kind... all 2C drugs, as well as Mescaline, have the same phenethylamine core that is the basis of amphetamine and also ephedrine/synephrine(bitter orange extract)... all are known to be stressors on the heart.

Most people find 2C-I *highly* speedy, while the major "wow" tracers don't really kick in till 25mg, most people find that is also where the an uncomfortable level of stimulation resides, though it does melt away to purely psychedelic effects and a merely mild stim feeling after about 1.5-2 hours.

2C-E tends to cause this whole-body achiness.... something to do with it stimulating serotonin release all over the body, not just the brain like other 2Cs. It can be quite uncomfortable. And VERY dose-sensitive... one dose of 2C-E can be tolerable in this regard, while just slightly more can have you in throes of severe full body tightness and cramps for hours. So your dose of unknown weight is problematic.

BUT: it has been found (and verified by me and many others) that a standard 25mg of over-the-counter Benedryl (diphenhydramine... look it up, very multifaceted drug with a fascinating history and pharmacology) acts to totally BLOCK those receptors at which 2C-E causes this "ache" effect. It also strengthens the 2C-E's visual effects, a loverly side-effect. So if/when you do use the 2C-E I would say take one Benedryl a half hour prior.
 
Supposedly Ginger is very effective at curbing 2ce nausea as well, I tried ginger chews once for a 2ce trip and thought those things were so disgusting that nausea was a much more desirable option than having those things touch my taste buds again....yuuuccck.
 
Do you think Benadryl cream would cause the same reaction? I was on 2C-E and I rubbed a ton of it all over myself to deal with my bug bites. It just says the cream contains 2% DPH. It wasn't too much different from my previous 2C-E experience but I did get a short moment of anxiety/delirium, didn't know if it was related.
 
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