How sick should I expect to get??

[NewStart2011]

My habit was as follows. I started end of July. I was taking about 15-30mg of Oxycodone a day. Around Aug 15th I started taking from 30-60mg a day. Last week I went 3 full days without taking any at all. Wasnt too sick, and thought I was better, but I ended up giving in and doing the rest of the ones i had, which I just finished 15 min ago. So that was about another week of continuous usage after I stopped for 3 days. Now Im out for good. How sick will I get?

 

[paranoid android]

My habit was as follows. I started end of July. I was taking about 15-30mg of Oxycodone a day. Around Aug 15th I started taking from 30-60mg a day. Last week I went 3 full days without taking any at all. Wasnt too sick, and thought I was better, but I ended up giving in and doing the rest of the ones i had, which I just finished 15 min ago. So that was about another week of continuous usage after I stopped for 3 days. Now Im out for good. How sick will I get?

Well if you went 3 full days without getting very sick i doubt you will get much in the way of withdrawals. Oxycodone is a short acting opiate and you would definitely be having WD's after 24 hours if you where physically dependent on it. So if you went 3 days without it without getting very sick then you should be in the clear more or less. Also you don't have a very long habit at all and that isn't a whole lot of oxycodone.

I have not gone through oxycodone withdrawals in years (morphine is a different story 8) ) but like most short acting opiates i found day 3 and 4 to always be the worst. I found oxycodone withdrawals to not be as bad as coming off morphine or dilaudid and the withdrawals didn't last as long for me as morphine withdrawals where id be still feeling acute withdrawals after a week. But everyone is different.

I would say to quit while your ahead before the withdrawals keep getting worse. I have always found withdrawals to be worse and worse each time i went through them. Also since the higher your tolerance goes the more you use equals worse withdrawals quitting now before you experience withdrawal hell would be a smart decision.

Good luck and i hope you make it

 

[Carl Landrover]

How you deal with them mentally and how you view them is also going to have a big effect. Based on your post it seems like you shouldn't have too much trouble, especially if you already went three days with out anything. It can be easy to make yourself feel more sick if all you've heard is horror stories. It can be easy to keep building up in your mind how awful you're going to feel, when in reality stressing about it and thinking about it is making it a lot worse. Part of this has to do with what your actively focusing on and part could be because your anxiety and blood pressure usually increases.

Trying to stay busy really helps, but is often very hard; might have to force yourself a bit. Simple stuff, like going for a walk, can be really beneficial. Try to stay hydrated and try to get some food in you, though you might not have much of an appetite.

I've found small doses of caffeine and adderall (if you have it) to be helpful. Acetaminophen (Tylenol) works well for some muscle cramps/aches/pains. Loperamide (Immodium AD is the brand name, but it's cheaper to just get generic loperamide) is extremely useful if you have the runs, and does help with some stomach discomfort as well. So long as you don't have a problem with them, benzo's are great for getting rid of the anxiety and for helping to get some sleep. Taking a multivitamin defintely helps too. I read somewhere that taking magnesium helps during WDs, so I also take some calcium + magnesium pills (I think the calcium helps the magnesium absorb better or vice versa). They seem to help, but it could be partially placebo.

I also think weed helps a lot during WD, but I know other people who have had the exact opposite effect (I think usually it makes them more anxious?). Weed helps give me some brief relief and can usually help me get some food and liquids down. I think weed goes with everything though.


Good luck dude, you really shouldn't have too much of a problem, so don't stress too much about it!

 

[paranoid android]

How you deal with them mentally and how you view them is also going to have a big effect. Based on your post it seems like you shouldn't have too much trouble, especially if you already went three days with out anything. It can be easy to make yourself feel more sick if all you've heard is horror stories. It can be easy to keep building up in your mind how awful you're going to feel, when in reality stressing about it and thinking about it is making it a lot worse. Part of this has to do with what your actively focusing on and part could be because your anxiety and blood pressure usually increases.

Trying to stay busy really helps, but is often very hard; might have to force yourself a bit. Simple stuff, like going for a walk, can be really beneficial. Try to stay hydrated and try to get some food in you, though you might not have much of an appetite.

I've found small doses of caffeine and adderall (if you have it) to be helpful. Acetaminophen (Tylenol) works well for some muscle cramps/aches/pains. Loperamide (Immodium AD is the brand name, but it's cheaper to just get generic loperamide) is extremely useful if you have the runs, and does help with some stomach discomfort as well. So long as you don't have a problem with them, benzo's are great for getting rid of the anxiety and for helping to get some sleep. Taking a multivitamin defintely helps too. I read somewhere that taking magnesium helps during WDs, so I also take some calcium + magnesium pills (I think the calcium helps the magnesium absorb better or vice versa). They seem to help, but it could be partially placebo.

I also think weed helps a lot during WD, but I know other people who have had the exact opposite effect (I think usually it makes them more anxious?). Weed helps give me some brief relief and can usually help me get some food and liquids down. I think weed goes with everything though.


Good luck dude, you really shouldn't have too much of a problem, so don't stress too much about it!

I think taking any stimulant during opiate withdrawal especially the acute phase is a horrible idea. I have taken dexedrine about 5 days into morphine withdrawal and it was a fucking horror show. I thought i was going to have a heart attack and die right on the spot. It was one time in my life that i was truly scared that i was going to die. Dextroamphetamine is supposed to have less side effects including less nasty side effects on your heart and just feel overall easier on the body then adderall so i can only imagine what adderall would be like during opiate withdrawals. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole during opiate withdrawal.

My advice would be to stay the hell away from any stimulants including caffeine during withdrawal. I have found them to make the gastrointestinal side effects much worse, they reduce appetite and since your appetite is shot during WD that's the last thing you need and they tend to make the head fuck of withdrawal worse as well especially when the amphetamines (or your stimulant of choice) wears off. Lopermide helps stop the diarrhea and helps with the stomach cramps as well, a OTC anti-nausea drug like dimenhydrinate (dramamine, gravol) could be helpful for both nausea and sleep and if you react good to cannabis that can help alot too. I find certain strains of weed or good old hash to help alot with appetite, stomach cramps, insomnia, restless legs as well as the depression and general head fuck of withdrawals.

Remember that everyone reacts differently to medications and that none of us on here are doctors. We can only tell you what works for us and other people who have had success with the same drugs but you could get a completely different reaction from the same drugs. What works well for me could be a disaster for you so precede with caution and stay safe.

Honestly though with your habit i don't think you are going to get much in the way of withdrawals at all. Stay safe and keep your head up you can do this

 

[Bojangles69]

I think taking any stimulant during opiate withdrawal especially the acute phase is a horrible idea.
My advice would be to stay the hell away from any stimulants including caffeine during withdrawal. I have found them to make the gastrointestinal side effects much worse, they reduce appetite and since your appetite is shot during WD that's the last thing you need and they tend to make the head fuck of withdrawal worse as well especially when the amphetamines (or your stimulant of choice) wears off.

I both disagree & agree. =]

Carl didn't really say to take them during the acute phase and he also specificed a "low dose *can help". Not a low dose *will* help. The only thing I think he could have definitely said along with the fact that it might help, is the fact that it might also make things worse.

But this is like the neverending debate as to whether pot is a good or bad decision during wds. All anyone has is an opinion on the matter. And yes people should have the right to say whether they think its a good or bad idea. But to go to the extreme of saying something is a horrible idea, implies it should have never been posted or that the person who posted it is ignorant. And looking at this objectively, I don't think what Carl said was any better than what you said, or that what you said was any better than what he said. Because niether you or Carl actually know how he will react.

He will still make that decision though based on a gut feeling, and compilation of all the feedback people give as the thread gets longer. But my point is what Carl said wasn't horrible advice, because it absolutely helped him, and it still can help the OP. The OP should simply keep in his mind that it can go either way. So I'd say no its not bad advice. Instead for the OP, if you DO use a stimulant, use it in a very low dose like Carl said, use it as far after acute wds as possible (like when you are in the pit of paws) and if it goes bad, obviously don't touch the shit again. But if it DOES actually help you, which I see logic for why it could (same way I see logic for issues with it going bad), then absolutely don't let anyone else tell you its a bad idea. I mean what do you have to lose? 24 hours till it wears off and you realize "fuck that was stupid". Although if it helps you can do precisely what Carl did and use the addies intelligently to help pull you out of PAWs.

On top of that, just to be "safe". Adderal definitely has potential to reverse extreme lethargy/depression/anxiety. And I see for the most part that it can help. But I see because your body will already be loaded with adrenaline, that you can consider taking an adrenaline blocker while on the addies. For the shaking. Something like inderal would help a lot, especially if it went "bad". Clonidine can help a lot too. You don't want the shakey sides from the addies you want the energy/mood boost. It wouldn't be hard to mix the addies down with some betablocker to make it more therapeutic is all I'm saying. And I say this because I potentially may do the same thing, although I also may go with a weaker stim.

But fact remains that I've seen it help more people than Carl, and I've also seen it make things worse for others (prob the ones who didn't wait for the adrenaline rebound to slow down). Still to try a low dose on an "off day" I don't exactly see as a horrible idea. A learning experience if anything. And if you're responsible about it you only really have 1 shitty day to lose.

Just wanted to drop my unbias opinion lol - Bo


edit: I should also throw in there that the only way addies would be helpful was if the use was repetitive too. Because yes I do see things getting worse when they wear off. But the whole point is a low daily dose untill you get more natural energy back from endorphins. And people who use drugs like opiates don't tend to exchange addictions for stims. It happens but I'd rather have you using adderal than another opiate to help you, just saying. It can go bad, just be as smart as you can either way.

 

[yuhhhhh]

in the past i have taken amphetamines after the first few days of physical opiate withdrawal and found them to be extremely beneficial. however, i always crash hard off of amps regardless of the dose and it seemed to be just that much worse when coupled with opiate withdrawal. nothing that a xanax or two wouldn't cure but i understand this probably isn't the safest idea either.

 

[Legerity]

Different things work for different people. I just wouldn't imagine that using stimulants during a withdrawal period would be an optimal approach for the majority. But if it works for somebody that's perfectly fine.

I'm not sure about the combination of beta-blockers and amphetamines. There also seem to be a lot of claims that doing so can actually be dangerous, or with cocaine in particular. I don't know how much of this is speculation or actuallybased on research. Beta-blockers on their own are perhaps the safest choice.