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How Psychedelics/Dissociatives Have Manipulated Your Drug Use

1394 said:
DMT and LSD are similar in terms of outcome- what I mean is they teach you something. I wouldn't classify them merely as "drugs" the way I'd classify say MDMA or PCP as.
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You can produce paper two different ways...the way we currently do, and also with hemp, and probably many different ways too. Ultimately, all of these different ways of producing paper must cater specifically to what they're making it from. This doesn't change the fact that both items are paper at the end of the process. You're trying to say hemp paper isn't paper because the process to get to the product isn't the same. You're saying this by saying that both chemical classes can't provoke similar outcomes because they have different mechanisms of action. This is very flawed logic.

Dissociatives are much more of a introspective/spiritual tool for me than psychedelics. I say this, because psychedelics let me mentally and emotionally process things in a different contrast of reality than I normally do. Low doses of dissociatives give me the same benefit, though the contrast of reality is different reality (though both of these experiences will undoubtedly give me a very similar outcome at their end). However, high doses of dissociatives give me the ability to explore my inner self without the concept of my physical self or my physical world. There is no purer form of soul-sought realization than the mental process derived from my mind thinking without its relation to my body, or my outside world. You're right, dissociatives work by blocking the reception of signals sent from the body to the brain. Without those signals reaching your brain, you are cutting out a great deal of unnecessary focus your mind would divert towards accomodating that stimuli. Even your own logic is sort of contradictory when you look at it.

Ultimately, there's a reason psychedelic discussion is designated towards psychedelics and dissociatives. I was just like you at one point, definitely promising myself never to try Ketamine, DXM, etc, and thinking psychedelics were such a great gift for me. I still think Psychedelics are a very useful tool, but I've acknowledged through my use that Dissociatives are much more useful for instances of self-analyzing and spiritual-searching. It's like, psychedelics let me see more of the beauty of the external world in relation to me, whilst dissociatives let me see more of the beauty in me and all of existence beyond the capacity of the external world. I wrote the original thread while on a low-dose (40mg) of MXE, which explains why I said what I said after the huge block of text. Because I was more lucid in conveying my thoughts than normally, and at the end, when re-reading, I realized how much the perspectives of my overall using career really showed me the details of my past errors in my mental processes, and more importantly, gave me a sense of serenity seeing that those mistakes weren't unmarked in my current mind, today. I don't care if you try dissociatives or not, but you're not gonna sway me in any sense, because you're the only one capable of speaking with a bias on the matter. I have had the same bias before, and it changed for a reason.
 
" I don't care if you try dissociatives or not, but you're not gonna sway me in any sense"

jesus, why would I try to sway you? I was trying to point out the difference in these two types of substances, and your last point in its essence agrees with what I'm saying.
 
chill out, but also if you haven't tried drugs from a certain class you cant pertain to know what they are like and weather they overlap with another class of drugs that you have tried, its just ridiculous to claim this.
 
1394 said:
I'm not disregarding that people abuse acid or dmt or even salvia. What I'm pointing out is the effects they produce are just very very different than ketamin and friends.
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Here's where the problem lies. You're saying that their differences are the reason you wouldn't classify them as if they were similar things. But in all your efforts to further this point, you're lacking what's the ultimate deciding factor in this situation. Whether or not the similarities the drugs are stronger than the differences. I, as well as many other users on this site who have experimented with both, can agree that the similarities of the two classes are strong enough to discuss together. Also, I think you'll find if you look on erowid, that Ketamine is classified as a Dissociative Anaesthetic; Psychedelic, and PCP is classified as a Dissociative Psychedelic. Ohp...and DXM is classified as a Dissociative; Psychedelic. Just some things to consider...
 
alot of things could be said but that won't change the facts that dissociatives(ket/dxm): are psychedelic, are mind/soul manifesting, could be used for personal growth and deeper spiritual/philosophical understanding, could and is used for overcoming addictions(ket), hold a very important piece(s) of the puzzle of reality ask anyone that has experianced a k-hole and he/she will confirm this
one would think that a psychedelics user would keep a more open mind and wont be so prejudiced...
 
"one would think that a psychedelics user would keep a more open mind and wont be so prejudiced.."

one would think someone so "experienced" would refrain from such funny stereotypes too. I'd try and read between the lines man
 
sory man i meant no offence or such
its just that after having so many wonderful experiances with dissociatives i feel the urge to promote them to other fellow psychonauts and when people don't give them the respect they deserve it kinda hurts me in a way and so follows the need to "protect" them :)
 
gymstud said:
do dissociative effects overlap opiates too
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Some dissociatives have opiate effects (Methoxetamine, and high dose Ketamine for example) and some opiates have dissociative effects (Can't name any off the top of my head but there are a few).

Not really the place to post that question though.
 
would it deserve its own tread? Didn't want to hijack think this thread had lost its way
 
It could do if you make your initial question a bit more in depth to promote more helpful discussion. e.g. if you were to ask for a list of dissociatives with opiate effects and opiates with dissociative effects you might get some nice responses.
 
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