How often do you masturbate with the "aid" of pornography??

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

^ a very utilitarian perspective there with "all the time and money I could save". what about the pleasure of sexual intercourse with a loving partner? What about the gastronomic pleasure of indulging in a fine wholesome organic healthy meal with your partner?

Life is about finding pleasure and giving love and support and care.

Or its about being a monk in a cold cave isolated from other humans.

Your choice!

 

[gman2008]

scatterbrain......................INTRESTING

 

[scatterbrain]

^ a very utilitarian perspective there with "all the time and money I could save". what about the pleasure of sexual intercourse with a loving partner? What about the gastronomic pleasure of indulging in a fine wholesome organic healthy meal with your partner?

Life is about finding pleasure and giving love and support and care.

Or its about being a monk in a cold cave isolated from other humans.

Your choice!

oops, I should hvae pointed out that this was geared towards single guys

 

[KamMoye]

The big question today is... Does the desire for sex always lead to suffering? The answer is, Yes! But the reason may surprise you.

The Buddha in everything he said about sex implies... The activity of sex will never ultimately satisfy the desire for sex.

Now this is a real bummer if you think about it. You can have sex a 1000 times, and want it a 1001. You can be 90 years old... Blind and cripple... Still want to have sex, and not be physically able to. You will never get rid of your sexual desire by having sex. In fact, it seems the more sex you have, the more sex you want.

I think sex is a lot like hunger... And to be honest with you, I'm so tired of being hungry. I have been hungry every day of my life. I'm hungry in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening. Think of all the time and money I could save if I gave up eating!

So what if tomorrow, I get up real early and eat as much as I desire, and anything I want. Whatever looks good, I'm going to eat it and keep eating it, until I am so full and satisfied, I will never want to eat again.

Well, if I were to do that what would happen? I would wake up the next morning and still be hungry and sex works the very same way!

You might be saying to yourself, "Well Kusala is a monk, and monks don't have sex, so maybe if I choose celibacy I won't have to suffer."

I wish life were so easy!

The people who choose a celibate lifestyle ('desire' not to have) suffer in a different way from people that choose to have sex ('desire' to have). But all people (monks too) suffer when it comes to sex, if they have desire.

The only way to have sex and not suffer, is to have no desire to have sex. It sounds like a 'Zen Koan' doesn't it? To end our suffering we need to end our desire, our craving, our thirst.

When a Buddhist does end his/her desire in Nirvana, would there be any reason to have sex simply for pleasure???

The problem with sex according to Buddhism... Is not the activity of sex, but the desire for sex. The sexual desire of a human being will never be ultimately satisfied through sexual activity.

i may agree with you, but i also see no solution proposed

Life is about finding pleasure and giving love and support and care.

Or its about being a monk in a cold cave isolated from other humans.

Your choice!

not only is that a false dichotomy, i can certainly say from experience that pleasure doesn't get u anywhere. in fact that's a major problem in this world: people misinterpret pleasure for happiness.

 

[scatterbrain]

i may agree with you, but i also see no solution proposed



not only is that a false dichotomy, i can certainly say from experience that pleasure doesn't get u anywhere. in fact that's a major problem in this world: people misinterpret pleasure for happiness.

What came to mind was Hugh Hefner. He fucks the hottest women on the planet. Yet, he proposes to this 24 year old recently. Of course, I'll never know what's going on in his head. But the way I see things, if he were truly happy there'd be no reason to have proposed, especially at his age.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

^ if you're happy then there's no reason to propose?

lmao, how old are you? You strike me as very young. As long as you remained open-minded then youre all good in life.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

Is that ^ you outside YOUR house with lots of nicely chopped wood??

(thanks for also contributing nicely to this thread, brother)

...i can certainly say from experience that pleasure doesn't get u anywhere. in fact that's a major problem in this world: people misinterpret pleasure for happiness.

Do you ever stop being an annoying fag?

Mike - not cool - that particular post was actually full of much wisdom dude, he has a point - the pursuit of pleasure (of the numbing of pain) is what drives most men, yet it doesn't bring us happiness, which is what the real pursuit should be - it's harnessing that desire and energy and putting it to better use that gets us a comfortable house, a happy life, and maybe a wife or husband or partner.

Scatter brain - are you a buddhist? I can only see that you're scared of being that close to someone...but that's my opinion - like, that's not really your own experience of sexuality, is it?

Thanks for helping out in this discussion though mate - I liked that post a lot.

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

I mostly don't masturbate often anymore, but I would say that when I do it's 50/50 whether I use visual aids. I want to curb this even more though, so I can use myu imagination more.

The only way to have sex and not suffer, is to have no desire to have sex. It sounds like a 'Zen Koan' doesn't it? To end our suffering we need to end our desire, our craving, our thirst.

When a Buddhist does end his/her desire in Nirvana, would there be any reason to have sex simply for pleasure???

The problem with sex according to Buddhism... Is not the activity of sex, but the desire for sex. The sexual desire of a human being will never be ultimately satisfied through sexual activity.

I see what you are saying - ayurveda teaches that the desire (well the unfulfilled desire and fantasy actually) is what takes away your "ojas" (vigour and strength) more than the actual sexual act.

From my observations I see this to be true.

So getting rid of desire for sex just means diverting your attention very quickly when you start thinking about sex, until a time when you can have sex which is truly rewarding and special. Yes? This is what it would mean to me anyhow.

 

[shishigami]

I feel like a more interesting stat would be what proportion of the time that you masturbate do you use porn? Cause if I masturbate 4 times a day and only 1 of them is with porn I'm mostly using my imagination.

Anyway it's about every other day and 80% for me.