Opioids How much Opana 10mg IRs and 8mg Dilaudid to punch through 12mg a day Suboxone dose?

[Fentanyl_Eater]

Hey guys,


So I have been "clean" for a few months now. I basically use every 6 months. Been off dope for 2 years or so. Life is actually really good.

I recently dropped about a lot of money and picked up 10 8mg Dilaudid and 10 10mg Opana IRs (54 814 pills). This is the first time ever in my opiate career that I didn't just immediately do them when I got them. I know the ropes with sub (been on for 3 years) and have tried (and failed a bunch) to blast through with half a gram of east coast raw dope, 24mg dilaudid, etc. I really want to make this count, as I use so sparingly now.

I plan on waiting at the barest minimum 36 hours or so from my last sub dose. I tok 4mg this morning, but have been on 12mg for months and months before this morning. I took that 4mg at around 10:00AM Saturday morning. By Sunday night at around 8:00PM, if I were to, say, crush a 10mg Opana and 8mg dillie and blast those (in a 3ml 23 gauge pin I use for steroids), that should punch through the sub dose, right? I really don't want to waste this score. To give some perspective, when I was on 16mg of subs, and took an 8mg in the morning, then tried doing 24mg dillie shots 6 hours later, it was at least 80% blocked.

So I'm not sure actual dosage advice can be given here, but can you guys comment on how effective opana is at breaking through high sub doses? From what I have researched, it's actually very effective.

Any advice is very appreciated. I am going to use them sparingly...




LOL



I love when newbs post that shit. "Yeah guys I love hydrocodone but just got a full bottle of 30mg roxies. I am only going to do them once a week so I don;t get addicted." Or, "I LOVED heroin but will only do it once in a blue moon because I know how addicting it can be."

But I digress. Thanks guys.

 

[Tommyboy]

I would just wait until you are feeling the withdrawals from the suboxone. When I was taking about the same amount of suboxone as you I usually waited over 48 hours, but closer to 72 if I wanted to actually get high. I didn't have Opana back then, but I tried just about everything after taking a day off and it always blocked it, so that's why I waited as long as I could without having to be too sick.

 

[Fentanyl_Eater]

I would just wait until you are feeling the withdrawals from the suboxone. When I was taking about the same amount of suboxone as you I usually waited over 48 hours, but closer to 72 if I wanted to actually get high. I didn't have Opana back then, but I tried just about everything after taking a day off and it always blocked it, so that's why I waited as long as I could without having to be too sick.

Thanks brother.


That's probably the best advice anyone can give, but you know as well as I do how difficult it is to have to wait to be into withdrawals before using. It's probably impossible. I always felt like I wasted my few experiences with dilaudid because I never waited enough time. I never got that magical rush everyone talks about and was extremely disappointed. The funniest part is when I was 18 and was in my pre-needle days, I got (this is absolutely true and no bullshit), 500 8mg dilaudid for free. Can;t go into details, but they were absolutely useless eating or snorting. I remember I sold 400-450 for $100, nd even the kid who bought them said it took months to get rid of, being that we didn;t know anyone who used the needle.

Anyway, I really hope to have some willpower and follow your advice. Here is my next question though: say I am able to wait the 72 hours or so, will a 10mg IR and 8mg dillie in the same shot be too much? If I were to do that after 24 hours, I doubt I'd feel much at all. But now I worry it will be too much if I wait that long. Geez what a fine line this is. It will be almost a year since my last shot and I don;t want to waste it and get some weak rush, but I'd prefer not to die either. OH well, I guess we will just have to see. Just how much does your tolerance go down after a few days off a high dose of subs? I have never done it in the 3 years I;ve been on.

Thanks guys.

 

[Tommyboy]

To make it easier to wait I recommend leaving the drugs at home and then going out somewhere for the day. That will at least kill more time than if you were just sitting in the same room as them.

When I waited the 3 days and sniffed 4 bags of heroin I got scary high from it, like thinking I was going to die. Compare that to Opana and dilaudid to get an idea on if that would be too much. I don't have much experience with those two, only H and oxycodone, so that's all I can comment on.

 

[crestfallen]

Speaking from experience on 8mgs sub, wait at least 72 hours if you want to get a decent 75% effect. It's pretty difficult to punch through a high dose of sub so you should wait until you are in slight w/d. I know its hard to wait but you will end up kicking yourself if you decide to indulge too early. Its a complete waste if you don't wait at the very very least 48hrs since your last dose.

 

[laCster]

yup i agree with everyone in that it will take around 72 hours to feel anything from opana or dillies. 12mgs is a rather hefty dose, most people i speak to that are on suboxone, including myself, only take 1-2mgs a day, so 12mgs is overkill. 12mgs wont feel stronger than 4mgs, but it will just block off the receptors longer.

for 1-2mgs a day, to feel full-agonist one must wait around 48 hrs, and anything more than 2mgs, you just add on time.

 

[Znegative]

This question is impossible to answer. After spending quite a lot of time both on and off suboxone, at varying dosages ranging from 24mg to .5mg, I can safely say that buprenorphine is completely unpredictable on how it will effect the use of other opiates. I've waited three days and then shot dope only to pull myself out of withdrawal (when using around 8mg a day), and I've sniffed dope without even waiting 24 hours and gotten insanely high. In fact, there was even a period where I was taking the max dosage of suboxone, 32mg (complete waste of bupe btw.), shot one bag six hours later and almost overdosed.

The only real way to assure that the suboxone will not block other opiates is to taper down below 2mg. At 1mg/day I could get high off of 30mg IV oxycodone and 2.5mg of IV oxymorphone gave me an intense rush and high. One thing you should be aware of though is that sometimes after long periods of chronic buprenorphine use (even when one is on a low-ish dose, like 1mg/day), some people just cannot experience the same euphoria anymore because their receptors have been 'dulled' to put it simply. The same thing can happen on methadone, or really any opiate when used for extended periods at high enough dosages. At some point it just loses its magic and at that point the only possible way to ever get that high back is to detox and stay away from all opiates for at least a few months.. There was a thread regarding this very issue a while back. Ill try to find it and post the link.

Got it:
What Happened to My Warm Fuzzies

 

[Fentanyl_Eater]

So I feel like a total shithead. I tried to just blast through last night, only hours after my sub dose. We really are insane sometimes. I knew I was going to waste most of it, but I couldn't resist.

Also, why am I having so much trouble shooting these? Trying to use a 23 guage was a horrible idea and I don;t know what I didnt learn that from the past, Left big, painful marks on my arms and I couldn;t register, despite having huge veins. I switched to regular insulin pins and it was a nightmare trying to draw up the solution. Can you only just do small shots, one at a time wtih these? Having 2 10mg opana and an 8mg dillie crushed in a little dixie cup, I just couldn;t seem to draw up any solution. I had to keep adding water to it and do probably 5 or 6 shots.


Overall, I am disgusted with myself. I have been doing very well for a very long time now and feel like absolute shit for doing this. I truly wish I just had the willpower to toss the rest of them, but I know I'm going to end up doing them, probably very shortly. What a fuckin asshole I am to even get started with this. Not to throw around stupid cliche NA slogans, but it really is true that your addiction is doing pushups and jumping jacks alll the while that you think it is dormant. You would think maybe in the 15 years of doing this bullshit I would have enough sense to never look back, especially when things are going good

Sorry, just very disappointed with myself and know that I am going to end up doing them today and feeling like absolute shit the rest of the week, not to mention having an extremely busy week ahead at my dream job.

 

[down508]

I don't think you will have a worthwhile experience with ay reasonable amount of those opiates. the only drug thats ever broken through my suboxone tolerance was a high dose of I.V. Fentanyl administered in a controlled environment by an oral surgeon, in combination with high dose I.V. midazolam and high dose I.V. ketamine, and the result was an anaesthetic state not the high you are probably looking for.

and about your trouble with insulin syringes, it all depends on the guage. I've had that same problem with shooting subs or other pills. if the mixture is too gooey and the needle guage too small it will be difficult to draw up. 28g is good for this type of thing, its no surprise you had trouble hitting with a needle that large. I find that once you know where a vein is, pushing firmly and quickly avoids the risk of the vein rolling, and if you don't register, take it out and try again, preferably with a fresh needle. digging around never really works. problem with having trouble registering is a lot of people don't want to squirt their solution out and suck it up with a fresh needle, but this is the best thing to do if you can't hit.


are you using a tourniquet?

 

[Znegative]

I think that it would be really fucking dangerous to continue to use more of these drugs. Oxymorphone and hydromorphone are potent as hell. If you keep dosing in order to try and get that high you are seriously risking an overdose man. Call it quits and count your losses. This isn't worth dying for.