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So I'm a newb. I know someone who says they have have 2mg of MDMA and I've never done it before but I have done shrooms, acid etc. and 2mg doesn't sound like a decent dosage at all. Can anyone shed light on of that is an okay amount or not? I'm 5'8 and 140 lbs.
 
2mg is 10x less than even a threshold dose. Either it's not MDMA at all (and you shouldn't touch it), you have a useless amount of it, or your supplier has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to units of weight and actually meant 200mg / .2g or something.A good dose of MDMA is about 2 mg/kg, so for you at 140lb / 63kg, 126mg should be a good place to start. That would be assuming 99.9% pure MDMA HCl though, so really you could maybe add 10% to it to make up for any impurities which would be up to ~140mg. Generally just this one dose should be enough for someone with no tolerance esp. a newbie, but some do like to do a re-dose after 1.5 hrs of 1/2 the amount of their initial dose, which extends the effects by an hour or so. Re-dosing more than once or taking more than ~250mg in a night is generally not a good idea; you should also ideally take a break for at least 3 months before dosing again to avoid long term tolerance issues and some of the nasty side effects it can produce.
 
If its your first time, 100-110. 2mg is nothing and would do nothing granted this person is actually talking about mdma. Terarc above me here nailed the right points for the most part.

Dont take it at all until you get a test kit and test it. If your guy is saying 2mg id be extremely wary. Definitely is confused.
 
Been dying to try mdma .. Im in the ny nj area where my gf lives i know theres a small res. But im unsure if they have or if i should even ask lol?
 
I snorted half a gram off the back of my driving license about 8 years ago...fun times

you can do as much as you want i think, no danger apart from drinking too much/too little water

knock it on the head after one night until at least a week later is my personal advice.
 
^ erm nope, multiple people have died of overdose on 500mg. In fact a couple of people died in the UK recently from taking a couple of 200mg pills I think.

MDMA should be dosed no higher than 2mg/kg. You shouldn't redose more than once and you shouldn't be taking more than 1/4 gram in a night. If you need more than that to get off then your MDMA is shite, not MDMA, or your tolerance is so high that doing more MDMA is the last thing you should be doing.
 
terarc said:
^ erm nope, multiple people have died of overdose on 500mg. In fact a couple of people died in the UK recently from taking a couple of 200mg pills I think.

MDMA should be dosed no higher than 2mg/kg. You shouldn't redose more than once and you shouldn't be taking more than 1/4 gram in a night. If you need more than that to get off then your MDMA is shite, not MDMA, or your tolerance is so high that doing more MDMA is the last thing you should be doing.
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the more you do, the more fucked you get.. simple. I saw with my own eyes a guy swallowing a chunk of crystal that looked like about 2gs in weight at least...yeah granted he ended up lying on the floor with his legs on the sofa and started running a bath and got in it fully clothed in someone elses house...but he was fine come morning time.

quarter of a gram in a night lol...you sound like you either have no experience with mdma at all or you're just a weedy little weakling.

I used to live near Glastonbury, UK...if anyone knows where that is and what kind of people live there then they could probably guess the quality of the md.

Whoever died on half a gram probably had underlying medical conditions they didn't know about or dehydrated to the point of death..and about the pills...they are pills, who knows whats in them?
 
B-t-BD said:
the more you do, the more fucked you get.. simple. I saw with my own eyes a guy swallowing a chunk of crystal that looked like about 2gs in weight at least...yeah granted he ended up lying on the floor with his legs on the sofa and started running a bath and got in it fully clothed in someone elses house...but he was fine come morning time.

quarter of a gram in a night lol...you sound like you either have no experience with mdma at all or you're just a weedy little weakling.

I used to live near Glastonbury, UK...if anyone knows where that is and what kind of people live there then they could probably guess the quality of the md.

Whoever died on half a gram probably had underlying medical conditions they didn't know about or dehydrated to the point of death..and about the pills...they are pills, who knows whats in them?
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I've had powerful life changing experiences on 150mg of MDMA. My MDMA is all from one source and I've had it GC/MS'd at 98.6% so I know what it is and that it's very good. The more you do, the more 'fucked' you get, yeah, but if you end up 'fucked' you've taken too much and missed the point IMO. Plus it's well known that taking much over 250mg is dangerous and unhealthy.

Multiple people have died from MDMA overdose and nothing else, those two UK deaths recently were verified as being from MDMA alone, at about 500mg. It can be a very dangerous drug and you should treat it with respect. And yes I'm very aware of the Glastonbury and wider UK festival scene and IME their MDMA is usually quite bad... plus everybody is very reckless and nobody knows what they're doing and I see endless casualties flooding out the other end with long term mood and anxiety problems.

The dosage of MDMA has been commonly agreed upon to be 80-160mg ever since Shulgin first popularised it. Most pills in the 80's and 90's were actually on the lower end of this spectrum. Just because British people are necking half-grams every weekend doesn't mean they've suddenly figured out the ultimate truth of 'how to MDMA', it's just British people using drugs dangerously and irresponsibly as usual, like they do with alcohol.

Considering we are on a harm reduction forum I'd really reconsider the kind of stuff you're posting as this sort of 'advice' is not harm reduction at all and really has the potential to hurt someone.
 
Whats the "point" exactly?

And for the record I'm not talking about the "festival scene" or any other fesitval (lol) (Glastonbury festival is in Pilton by the way). I'm talking about Glastonbury and the surrounding areas which is populated by 3rd generation hippies i.e people who don't have time for shit drugs.

Just because you sang cum ba ya and gave your best friend a handjob on 150mg doesn't mean that's what everyone has to do.

mdma is safer than alcohol on the grand scale of things OBVIOUSLY don't do half a gram in one go if it's your FIRST time..use your brain and start with a small amount..and remember it takes a while to kick in so don't munch the whole bag if you don't feel anything in the first 10 minutes.
 
The 'point' at which the effects of MDMA are the best, the 'sweet spot' or w/e, quite a widely known phenomenon that MDMA has a sweet spot dose and anything above or under it won't be as good.

Yeah I know where Glastonbury is and what it is and the kind of people that go there. Doesn't change the fact that I never met anyone in that scene OR any other UK festival / drugs scene who really knew what they were doing or how good their drugs actually are. You know, with like actual quantitive scientific data rather than 'this is good shit man'.

And no, I'm talking about shit like meeting my wife, turning my entire life around, moving to another city, abandoning a toxic group of friends, and generally bettering my mental health thanks to incredible experiences with MDMA and other psychedelics.

You can't make blanket statements like 'MDMA is safer than alcohol on the grand scale of things'. It's just not true. Give someone 150mg of MDMA every weekend and other person 4-5 pints of beer and see who runs into physical or psychological problems first. Not the beer drinker. I've seen it first hand too many times, I'm very involved with the U.K. harm reduction and drugs law reform scenes and do a lot of psychological support work at festivals, and have seen it in my friends too.

This isn't to say MDMA is a bad or dangerous drug, just that like any drug it has its individual risks and should be used accordingly to avoid them. If we ever want to see legislation change around drugs then we need to prove that we can use them responsibly. Taking half a gram of MDMA is never responsible no matter how many times you've done it before. The dosage of MDMA is KNOWN and has been known for nearly half a century to be within the 100-200mg range, NOBODY needs more than that and telling people they do, is very dangerous.
 
terarc said:
The 'point' at which the effects of MDMA are the best, the 'sweet spot' or w/e, quite a widely known phenomenon that MDMA has a sweet spot dose and anything above or under it won't be as good.

Yeah I know where Glastonbury is and what it is and the kind of people that go there. Doesn't change the fact that I never met anyone in that scene OR any other UK festival / drugs scene who really knew what they were doing or how good their drugs actually are. You know, with like actual quantitive scientific data rather than 'this is good shit man'.

And no, I'm talking about shit like meeting my wife, turning my entire life around, moving to another city, abandoning a toxic group of friends, and generally bettering my mental health thanks to incredible experiences with MDMA and other psychedelics.

You can't make blanket statements like 'MDMA is safer than alcohol on the grand scale of things'. It's just not true. Give someone 150mg of MDMA every weekend and other person 4-5 pints of beer and see who runs into physical or psychological problems first. Not the beer drinker. I've seen it first hand too many times, I'm very involved with the U.K. harm reduction and drugs law reform scenes and do a lot of psychological support work at festivals, and have seen it in my friends too.

This isn't to say MDMA is a bad or dangerous drug, just that like any drug it has its individual risks and should be used accordingly to avoid them. If we ever want to see legislation change around drugs then we need to prove that we can use them responsibly. Taking half a gram of MDMA is never responsible no matter how many times you've done it before. The dosage of MDMA is KNOWN and has been known for nearly half a century to be within the 100-200mg range, NOBODY needs more than that and telling people they do, is very dangerous.
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Why do you keep talking about "festivals"? like a broken record..i never mentioned a festival and now you're making it the point of your whole debate. People who go to festivals are generally idiots...we all know this. Now can we move on?

The GRAND scale is over a lifetime and i bet the level of alcohol a person drinks over a lifetime would gradually increase in frequency compared to someone taking mdma.

Just because you need psycho-enhancing drugs to make simple social interactions like communicating with females and things like making choices about your own life doesn't mean this applies to everyone.

So your point is alcohol is safer long term than mdma?

I think your "advice" is quite poisoness and you should remove yourself from the UK harm reduction scene - especially "psychological support work at festivals"(lol)
Have you ever tried to live life without drugs whatsover? my guess is no...maybe you should try it sometime.
 
B-t-BD said:
I think your "advice" is quite poisoness and you should remove yourself from the UK harm reduction scene - especially "psychological support work at festivals"(lol)
Have you ever tried to live life without drugs whatsover? my guess is no...maybe you should try it sometime.
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Wow, projection much? You are the one giving reckless advice here.

Please consider that this a harm reduction board and post accordingly.
 
B-t-BD said:
Why do you keep talking about "festivals"? like a broken record..i never mentioned a festival and now you're making it the point of your whole debate. People who go to festivals are generally idiots...we all know this. Now can we move on?

The GRAND scale is over a lifetime and i bet the level of alcohol a person drinks over a lifetime would gradually increase in frequency compared to someone taking mdma.

Just because you need psycho-enhancing drugs to make simple social interactions like communicating with females and things like making choices about your own life doesn't mean this applies to everyone.

So your point is alcohol is safer long term than mdma?

I think your "advice" is quite poisoness and you should remove yourself from the UK harm reduction scene - especially "psychological support work at festivals"(lol)
Have you ever tried to live life without drugs whatsover? my guess is no...maybe you should try it sometime.
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You mentioned Glastonbury and the people that live in that area and that scene ties in pretty closely with Glastonbury festival, and the wider UK festival, rave and party scene generally. Hardly making it the point of my debate; you just said these people are somehow icons of ideal drug use, I just proposed that they aren't.

Provided you stick within something like 14 units per week there is little evidence that alcohol will cause you many short or long term health problems. Obviously if you abuse alcohol then that isn't the case but the same goes for any drug. People using MDMA however frequently present with psycho-social and cognitive dysfunctions after using at equivalent dosages and frequency which would not cause significant problems if the drug being used was alcohol.

I think it's quite difficult really to compare dangers of drugs as every drug has an entirely different set of risks, but you see you can't simply say 'MDMA is safer than alcohol, bottom line'. Some aspects of MDMA are safer, some aspects of alcohol are safer. It all depends on the way you're using the drug.

Where on earth did I say I need drugs to accomplish these things? I simply said that I have had inspiring and life changing experiences from these types of drugs which have changed my life for the better. Besides tea, and a couple of beers and weed at the weekends, I don't actually use any other drugs any more. I will trip or take MDMA if the occasion presents itself but that's like, once every year or two now.

My point is not that any drug is safer than another, but strictly in the context of going on frequent 'nights out', moderate alcohol use is less likely to present you with problems than moderate MDMA use when doing so.

What exactly is poisonous about recommending that people research the specific risks of any individual drug they are taking, and use them appropriately? The irony is that most of those who seek out our services at festivals are those who've taken the kind of 'advice' you are putting across: "my mate said it was good shit", "I took half a gram of MD" etc
 
terarc said:
You mentioned Glastonbury and the people that live in that area and that scene ties in pretty closely with Glastonbury festival, and the wider UK festival, rave and party scene generally. Hardly making it the point of my debate; you just said these people are somehow icons of ideal drug use, I just proposed that they aren't.

Provided you stick within something like 14 units per week there is little evidence that alcohol will cause you many short or long term health problems. Obviously if you abuse alcohol then that isn't the case but the same goes for any drug. People using MDMA however frequently present with psycho-social and cognitive dysfunctions after using at equivalent dosages and frequency which would not cause significant problems if the drug being used was alcohol.

I think it's quite difficult really to compare dangers of drugs as every drug has an entirely different set of risks, but you see you can't simply say 'MDMA is safer than alcohol, bottom line'. Some aspects of MDMA are safer, some aspects of alcohol are safer. It all depends on the way you're using the drug.

Where on earth did I say I need drugs to accomplish these things? I simply said that I have had inspiring and life changing experiences from these types of drugs which have changed my life for the better. Besides tea, and a couple of beers and weed at the weekends, I don't actually use any other drugs any more. I will trip or take MDMA if the occasion presents itself but that's like, once every year or two now.

My point is not that any drug is safer than another, but strictly in the context of going on frequent 'nights out', moderate alcohol use is less likely to present you with problems than moderate MDMA use when doing so.

What exactly is poisonous about recommending that people research the specific risks of any individual drug they are taking, and use them appropriately? The irony is that most of those who seek out our services at festivals are those who've taken the kind of 'advice' you are putting across: "my mate said it was good shit", "I took half a gram of MD" etc
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Great post terarc. Everything I wanted to say but was too annoyed to respond to this bad advice.
 
B-t-BD said:
I snorted half a gram off the back of my driving license about 8 years ago...fun times

you can do as much as you want i think, no danger apart from drinking too much/too little water

knock it on the head after one night until at least a week later is my personal advice.
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DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS TROLL. Has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. You CANNOT do as much as you want, or you'll be wondering why your world is so dark and lifeless. Abuse of mdma is no joke and will cause a spiraliing depression. Clearly this guy has it. My initial post is your answer. Mods, we need to check this guys post, ive seen nothing but bad advice not helping harm reduction at all.
 
epic11 said:
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS TROLL. Has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. You CANNOT do as much as you want, or you'll be wondering why your world is so dark and lifeless. Abuse of mdma is no joke and will cause a spiraliing depression. Clearly this guy has it. My initial post is your answer. Mods, we need to check this guys post, ive seen nothing but bad advice not helping harm reduction at all.
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Sharing experiences paves the way for future generations of more responsible drug users.

I think you're really really ignorant.
 
Eh it's one thing to share experiences of irresponsible drug use, another to recommend such irresponsibility to others
 
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