Heroin How much is too much?

[nickdthakid]

15 bags each shot????? if that was the case you would not be alive to write this??? either that or you need a new dealer!!!

 

[KillSurfCity]

Does it make any difference if you snort it or smoke it?

smoking H gives you the strongest effects next to I.V. but the main effects from smoked H only last about 30 minutes (to me, anyway). snorting is the second most frugal way to ingest junk after I.V., IMO. you have to do it right, though. especially with tar. only way to snort tar, really, is to use the tiniest amount of water possible to dissolve the dose in and mix it with preferably a nearly inactive/completely inactive powder. i mix mine with my klonopin scrip. NOT RECOMMENDED. do not mix benzos with opiates. it's okay for me because i have a rather large tolerance to both). you should end up with a gooey paste. snort this mess but do NOT snuff it back like cocaine. you have to let it sit in your nose. i have great success getting high as long as i do it properly. chances are, someone will waste a bag or two when snorting tar until they figure out the best method for themselves.

as for smoking....it's nice. if i have a large stash i enjoy taking hits every 30-45 minutes and i'll be nodding in no time (having trouble typing this right now, actually). if you aren't keen to watching your money burn up rather quickly, smoking it is out of the question. if you don't mind a short buzz, smoking is great. use a pipe kind of like the type one would normally smoke meth with. DO NOT BASE OFF FOIL unless you don't care how bad it is for you. read up on it, though, before making a decision to "chase the dragon" off foil...smoking is probably the safest way to use heroin (if there is such thing as a safe way of using heroin) because chances are, you will get on such a hard nod, you won't even be able to smoke anymore as you will be fading in and out of consciousness.

heroin insuffulation has caused me a lot of problems. even when i just get a small and divide it in to two doses (for instance, one dose in the evening and one in the morning), i have ended up with a sinus infection. plenty of times.

anyway, dangers of O.D. seem to go like this:
I.V. use is the easiest way to O.D.

insuffulation is the second most likely way to O.D. ....i prefer insuffulation these days because i have been off the needle for years and if done right, you will be cruising. just do not let ANY of the dope go down your throat. total waste.

smoking seems to have an extremely small chance of O.D. but the stuff has a lot of shit in it that you probably do not want to be burning and putting in your lungs.

be careful

 

[JM357]

nickdthakid, I agree that for 99% of addicts that would be an OD; isn't it possible to have that high of a tolerance though? I agree it would be tough, but I thought I had read before that opiod tolerance could be basically unlimited and continue to grow over time. We don't know this persons background, is it possible that someone with the means (probably someone wealthy) could grow that level of tolerance (say after using for many years straight)? Maybe I am mistaken, I definately mean no disrespect. Also he could have meant something other than the quantity.....

 

[JM357]

Also, we don't know what the original poster means by alcoholic: does he mean someone who has a problem controlling their drinking or someone who is actually physically dependent? If he is physically dependent then having him just stop could be disastorous (sp?) as alcohol WD is probably the only commonly used drug that can cause death. Honestly, he should either not do it, or if he is insistant he should do very small amounts with significant time in between to make sure it has fully kicked in. I know everyone wants the big rush, but more can always be taken- taking it out after ingestion is significantly more difficult.

 

[livetheopiatedream]

Someone could easily have a 15 bag shot tolerance. Ok maybe not easily but still if they got the resources to maintain that kind of habit & have an alcohol tolerance too it won't kill THEM, but would kill the average addict, definitely kill an opiate naive individual. Strength of the bags matter a lot they could be cut to shit especially if the person is a newbie and the dealer knows they can rip em off and their tolerance is so low they wouldn't know the difference. That being said someone doing 15 bag shots probably knows the difference damn well.
I know my boyfriend was Doing 1 gram shots back in the day and not feeling shit from it, so tolerance can certainly acheive this level. I wouldn't envy the withdrawal tho.
Also as above person said mixing H with alcohol or benzodiazepine or both means 1heroin+1alcohol= 4 respiratory depression. Very dangerous, asking for an overdose. Especially as I said if they don't have a tolerance. Doing a tiny bit will fuck up a naive person. Like even .05, which would be 1/20th of a gram.
Person in question should be supervised for overdose if they r reckless, and I would try and obtain some naloxone if it is available (in Toronto you can take a half hour lesson and get a license to carry it, brand name vials narcan for IM Injection, as the antidote for an opiate overdose) ... I personally always carry Narcan and I am licensed to do so.
Good luck buddy!

 

[JM357]

They have the intranasal nalaxone that they give to those who have taken the course where I'm from, and the US's drug laws are draconian (at least that is my impression) compared to the UK and Canada, and as livetheopiatedream said they have a similar program in Toronto. I sorta can't imagine the UK not offering that sort of program....

 

[down508]

1.5 g's (i.v.'d) is enough to kill several opiate naive people. it's like when they talk about how potent snake venom is. they say "one drop of cobra venom will kill 10 adults". if someone who's never done dope before slams 1.5 grams of quality h I don't even think your average ambulance carries enough narcan to save them. tell your friend to take like .05 to start out and try to lay off the booze before hand.

and some states in the u.s. have draconian drug laws, other states have drug laws that make the uk's laws look medieval. medical marijuana in lots of states, legal marijuana in colorado and washington, pill mills in florida (yet possession of 28 grams of cannabis in florida is a felony), peyote for tribes in new mexico, etc.

 

[oxyaddict05]

The closest I came to a 15 bag shot was a 12 bag shot. I was on a 26 or 28mg of suboxone, had taken it early that morning, and was trying to break through that evening with a big one. IIRC, I had spent the previous 4 hours reading bluelight and UTFS to see if it would work. I vaguely recall someone saying it wouldn't do much. But like a good dope fiend, I tried it. And they were right....wasn't worth a bill I'll you that. 8) Maybe felt like a Tylenol 3.

 

[XThexXTank]

Never mix alc and heroin. That'll kill you. I mean I can take a 12 bag bun of some pretty good dope up the arm but I would never think of drinkin alc on that yo id be fuckin dead.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

i drink alcohol and use. it all depends on your ttolerance. sunday i had about 4 beers and a shot before and a shot after (15bags ech shot)

If you're able to do 15 bags in one shot, you're getting utter garbage dope, no offense. And trust me, I know the kind of outrageous tolerances that can develop using dope first hand.. but 15 bags.. no way. Not unless like I said, It's total shit.