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How much is considered high level heroin usage?

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suchislife

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Guys what is considered high ammount of daily usage,, Grams, half, quarter etc I want to see what amount will alter brain functions., cause i honestly get back to normal with 5 days of usage , ive heard somepeople take weeks even months. I dont IV i smoke
 
umm what do you mean by alter brain functions? And by saying it takes you 5 days to feel normal again do you mean withdrawals?
 
Ok Physical withdrawals are gone within 3 days, Mental withdrawal takes about 1 week. By saying mental im meaning the effect of high level depression & boredness etc Because i was told high level usage can change the way the brain functions so that when you stop it can take weeks for your depression and edginess to subside.
 
put the drugs down jimmy and go play with your game box son...
 
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There is no cutoff like that, everyone will react differently. Someone could use 2-3 bags a day (so average a quarter gram) and have worse and longer lasting PAWS Than someone who is using an entire gram a day although it usually correlates to amount used and time using. PAWS (which I assume you're referring to) affects people *very* differently.

Fortunately opioid use isn't really neurotoxic unless you nod so hard and so regularly that you're depriving yourself of oxygen frequently and then after years, you could produce some minor damage. The viciousness of regular heroin use isn't even the acute withdrawals - it's the intensity and duration of the cravings post-cessation.

Despite not destroying your brain or any organs like most drugs, the number of people who can use heroin daily without seriously fucking up their lives at least in SOME capacity - if not destroying everything - is next to nonexistent.
 
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It took me 3 months of daily use to experience bad withdrawals (plugging route) the first time, quickly from there and three years of daily use (with a break for a month jail sentence) before it took me 4-5 months of abstinence to not have mental cravings (IV route). Yet, I still *miss* it and the lifestyle, horribly, it doesn't creep on in the back of my mind every second of every day like it used to. It's 'out of sight out of mind', like uppers are for me always.
 
when i quit cold it usually lasts about 3-4 days, 1st day is mild heat flashes/cold sweats. 2nd day is extreme sweats, flashes, restless legs, no sleep, 3rd day is the worst for me... the body pain sets in along with all the previous symptoms only multiplied. by 4th day it subsides back to like a day 2/1 feeling. As for high quantity... it really depends on your product. where im from in michigan all there is out there is the china white and its really good. so a gram goes a long way even for an addict. Where i live now in Seattle, all there is around here is tar... and its not nearly as potent as the white. from <quite expensive> grams of white in detroit to <pretty cheap> grams in seattle its a big difference. it doesnt affect my brain function, that depends on you. im a 4.0 college student and i have to stay on my shit. the dopes not worth it.
 
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IS it posibble to get used to the withdrawals and your body doesnt react to them as much, For instance lets say you do it for 1 year every 2nd day maybe 3rd day then you would have it like 3-4 days in a row, then repeat. Then all of a sudden you stop you go through the mild withrawals then soon as they stop you do it for 3 days again, And then then break for 3 days with the slight withdrawals then repeat and repeat and repeat. If your body can get used to the drug then i dont see why your body get get used to the withdrawals?
Any theories comments????
 
It's typically the opposite - most opioid users find the longer they use, the worse withdrawal gets. Many theorize this is because you start to condition yourself to fear getting sick and then that fear makes you sicker and feel worse and it keeps snowballing. Use -> fear of getting sick -> getting sick -> getting sicker due to that fear -> using more to compensate -> repeat until you break.
 
Weekly use of Heroim can/will lead to an addiction. Daily use is far too much *sorrY*. WD's are different for everyone.
 
Straight up it doesn't take months to develop physical addiction. It can happen in a week or two with decent usage, and it is possible to use it for a few days out of the week and not hit W/D's. I successfully used heroin for roughly a year before hitting physical addiction. I was well disciplined by using 3 days on 3-4 days off.

As for the question from the OP, yes using heroin on a daily basis will leave permanent brain "damage" so to speak. Reason being when your constantly flooding your dopamine (and the other one that is on the tip of my Fucking tongue right now driving me crazy) anyways, once you artificially make these for so long at such high levels it takes a while to even start to reproduce it on its own.. not even mentioning being able to produce it at a level where your happy at all
 
^ spot on throughout.

I assume you're thinking of endorphins - they are the neurotransmitters that attach to the same receptors (primarily mu1 and mu2) that opioids do. Essentially (and this is way over-simplifying because my neurochemistry is weak) when you abuse opioids, you create more receptor sites so you need to supplement opioids exogenously to feel normal and if you stop, your endorphins (a word derived from "endogenous morphine"), enkephalins and dynorphins that you naturally produce are insufficient to satiate all the receptors you've created from your use.

It takes a long time for this all to re-balance and even then, if you start abusing again, your brain sort of remembers your old use and tolerance builds exponentially quicker.

Also, you change the way your reward system functions basically - what twisted mentioned with the effects on dopamine - so as a result, you won't achieve the same level of satisfaction from formerly rewarding activities such as food, sex, etc.
 
if your body starts to become ammuned to little ammount of H then needs more, Why cant your body get ammuned to withdrawals?
 
^ your body doesn't built up an "immunity" to heroin, read the post above again. Normally your endogenous opioids (the ones your body produces) keep you feeling normal, when you introduce more outside opioids, your body reacts by trying to adapt so you still function normally by creating more receptor sites and as a result, if you stop giving it opioids, you'll feel like shit.

There is no adaptation that takes place that will make you feel less like shit. In fact it's the opposite - the more often you withdraw then naturally the you're using more often so your body keeps trying to adapt to the presence of more opioids to achieve homeostasis so it keeps creating more receptor sites so you keep needing more H and you feel worse and worse whenever you don't have H or other opioids.
 
Pretty much what Cane said re: how tolerance develops. I don't know there's an upper limit to what can be considered high, so long as we're talking doses you can actually get into your body practically as opposed to 10s of grams or more. If you take enough over a long enough period of time to build tolerance, anything less than however much has become 'normal' would feel low use, you can usually go a fair way past 'normal' occasionally enough so as not to kick the tolerance up still higher, so long as you don't do enough to be getting into OD territory.

I routinely IVed upwards of a gram of brown H a day ((( 3 x <snip> bags. ))) when I had the cash to do so, would do easily double that when I could. My sister for a long time was IVing over half-a-gram in every shot half-a-dozen times a day. Withdrawals got worse over time with every tried and failed detox, though worse when I was smoking than they were coming off the needle.
 
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When i first started doing heroin, i was 18, and for the first 8 months, oddly i didnt experience withdrawls at all, just severe mental WD. As far as whats considered a high level heroin dosage for people cannot be explained due to the fact it's an illict drug and is not like pharmaceuticals where you know what dose ur getting. i live in Buffalo, NY and the heroin is garbage, i was shooting 3-4 bags to get pretty nice and this was at the beginning of my heroin use. Other times i would just do 1 bag and it was so potent it felt like i did around 6-7 bags at once!, luckily i didn't shoot 3-4 bags as i usually do that time, otherwrise i probably would of overdosed. i have had heroin so low in quality that i had to buy a bundle and i would need 8 bags to get good buzz, with a 3 hour high :-( i've had dope where i do one bag and oddly it lasts wayy too long then normal dope, very potent, i was always nauseous, got me irritable, and lasted 2 days ( i believe these are the bags where them dealer put i think horse tranquilizer in as a cutting agent) It's all a game of luck where you live. that round up how the potency of heroin in buffalo is!
 
I dont know how relevant this is but I remember reading some research a while back that said that heroin tolerance does eventually plateau to about 2 grams a day. And since this was conducted in a lab setting, it was 2 grams of pure h a day, not street cut shit. Does that concept of h plateau for tolerance make sense to you guys?

I remember when I had crazy access to opanas and was IV'ing alot of it, i had such awful w/d that it made h w/d seem almost okay. Point being, the more I use, the worse my w/d are. In some way, I am more prepared for them bc I have gone thru them so much, but they are awful everytime and I tend to be more sensitive to the w/d symptoms so that they may even become psychosomatic.

For 2 days after the first time I used a long acting NMDA antagonist (high dose 4meoPCP), I did not experience opiate w/d. I kept expecting w/d to come - it was like a dark cloud over my head bc i kept thinking, wtf when are the w/d going to come. I maybe could have been fine and maybe was given a gift to not be physically addicted, but I ended up using opiates bc I had them in abundance. Another time, I was doing an h taper, and I found my body faking minor w/d symptoms just so I could use bc if I got distracted, I would be able to hold off for many more hours. So for me, i realize the psychological power of w/d is intense.
 
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