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How much E to overdose?

dreamchaser

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I am asking this not because I want to overdose, but because a close friend of mine almost did off only 5 pills and has continued to roll about twice a week every week since. She's been rolling for awhile now with this pattern and I'm really hoping she won't have too much permanent damage. Even more so because I'm afraid she'll overdose. She'll push her limits with rolls sometimes and I really don't think her body can take much in the first place. I'm worried and angry at her but she won't listen to me. Please, if anyone knows, how much do you think it would take for her to accidentally overdose? And what are the negative effects of E that occur for ppl who do it around twice a week for almost a year? I want to share this information with her. Thanks for your help!
 
Unless you guys had the pills tested theres literally no way we can know what was in them. More than likely it wasn't just MDMA. She could quite possibly do a ton of damage to herself (emotionally and physically) by rolling so frequently. She needs to chill.

I personally don't know how many "E" pills it would take to kill someone. Neither does anyon else, because, well, pills vary.
 
sorry I can't edit my post - depression, depersonalization, and much more (which i'm sure more properly informed ecstasy champs will be able to inform you on) can come from that much frequent usage (especially as she's not only overdoing it weekly, but she's doing lots of pills each time, i'm assuming from the post)

best wishes, you should gather as much information you can and sit her down and have a heart to heart with her. This isn't guarenteed to work, but couldn't hurt, eh?
 
what im adding is not much to worry about, but could keep one from consuming an amount that may be dangerous for them:

if i remember correctly after ~400mgs MDMA, the most significant aspect which you can not take preventative measures to counter is; that your brain becomes exhausted of the inert chemicals to actually cause the 'high'.
idk know if people "pre-load" still, but this, if anything will only help the initial come-up, and later come-down.

in other words -- its a waste to eat even 3-4+ heavy tabs of MDMA, if you practice this youll be much safer by default.
a test kit would be very helpful, to have access to such things now is something to utilize,,! i would of if i could of for sure.

there is a whooole lot of info on the stuff now, youll have a hard time finding the most relevant reads id imagine... idk any besides here :-) look for multiple, multi-continental, clinical abstracts - summed up in laymen terms if needed or possible.

this isnt my bag anymore, just felt like taking a gander... im sure you could be quickly swamped with links and info in this thread alone by the end of your day.

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As 2many says, there is no precise number of pills. The strength varies from one to the other, as does what is actually in them. There are a number of drugs that can be pressed into pills to mimic the effects of MDMA, with very different levels of toxicity.

I've had some pills and crystals where 5 big damp things will barely do anything. Other times, I've had 2 homoeopathic sized ones and been having to put effort into holding things together as they start.

Like your friend, I have also gone through periods of eating far too many drugs. I'd be chain rolling through ounces of weed (literally rolling another before finishing the one I had, all day everyday), eating 5-9 pills a go, half an ounce of mushrooms, bags of speed that last other people a month and so on.

All I can say is, it's not necessarily going to turn you into a gibbering wreck or kill you, but the chances are getting higher and higher. If it hasn't happened already, she may find herself at some point feeling quite odd emotionally; particularly with amphetamine based drugs. Where you no longer feel simply free and open, but begin to interpret what people are saying differently. This is most obvious in meth users, when they start 'tweaking out' after days of being awake. But all amphetamines will do it to some extent.

I have tripped quite a lot of times, and on some pretty darn big amounts. However, I usually find it easy to separate what I see, think and feel during that time for normal life, as it is so immediate and so graphic it's easy (for me) to spot the difference. With amphetamine based drugs, the distortions are sneakier. They are not immediately apparent, they build up over repeated, heavy dose use.

What it sounds like your friend is doing, which is what I was doing, is switching from using them to abusing them; based on the frequency of use and duration. That every weekend needs drugs involved to be worth it. THAT is the downward spiral people talk about. Because pills will eventually loose their novelty as well, and then people will go looking for something harder, and harder again. As Panic in Paradise says, the more of it you eat and the more frequently you do it, the less interesting and special it becomes, and the more it is simply a way to 'mong out'. And 'monging out' is what meth and heroin addicts use drugs for. She needs to recognise that. Ask herself, why don't other people who do drugs do them every single weekend?

I could of coarse be entirely wrong about her, having never met her, but I would suggest, there is likely something upsetting her if she is doing them so frequently; which drugs won't fix. Heavy drug use is usually used as a means to cover up something else in my experience.

Even if the drugs don't turn you into a mess, which depends largely on your mindset, they are a sign that you are distancing yourself from the rest of society. A lot when you're using them that frequently. Which is ironic given how drugs like MDMA make people feel. Even around other people who like MDMA, she will become known as 'the addict' to avoid. The damage that does is nothing physical, but it can leave her standing on her own in the future. My friends in my teens used to get drunk and smoke weed. I didn't. When I first told them I was tripping in front of them, I could feel the tension and them not wanting to be around me so much. Years later, I would spend most of my days on my own and not speak to anyone else, because no one wants to know routine, heavy drug users. I've had seemingly endless, countless days where I haven't actually opened my mouth or seen anyone else. That is the real comedown. Years of silence.

It may be most effective if you show her the replies you get to this thread.
 
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Well a friend of mine took 2.5g of MDMA in one night... So I guess its higher than that?

Ps, he never had a good time haha.
 
A good percentage of which was likely filler if he managed that much in one night.

So bad advice to be suggesting it as a limit.
 
The LD50 for humans is pretty high (thats a dose that would kill half the subjects) but the problem is that pills often have other chemicals in them with a lower LD50.

The stuff I have read on this is based purely on the LD50 of mice and then the weights/dose calculated from there.

I have read that 80 / 100mg per kilo. (thats more than a few pills)

Dont forget that some people can have allergic reactions to pills/binders so only a small amount of the substance is needed to kill them - that along with the risk of not drinking enough water, drinking too much water, overheating, being out of it and being killed etc

It doesnt mean that because you havent taken a 'lethal' amount of the drug you will not die from it or the effects etc.

If your friend is rolling a few times a week then she is putting herself at real risk.
 
I need to make a quick edit to my last post. She actually hasn't been rolling that much for that long only a few months. She's been rolling for a couple years but she didnt start the habit until a few months ago. Thank you all for the advice and information. Unfortunately I am not friends with her after a fight we got in about rolling. I will still try my best to pass this information on to her through her friends or bf tho. From what I'm reading, 5 pills seems to have been a bad idea already now I'm really pissed at her. She told me she could stop anytime she wanted and she that she understood rolling and her body enough to continue. what she's saying really worries and irritates me because she really sounds like shes an early stage addict...I don't think I can sit down with her for a talk anymore but i would definitely appreciate anymore information anyone can offer. I guess it is impossible to figure out the exact number of pills it would take to od but what are the negative side effects of rolling for someone who does it as often as her? i'll also check out links from this board and try to research this some more. Thanks for everyone's help!
 
I've heard of people eatin upto 30 and more in a night and theyre still kickin', have fun tryin to OD, you'll probably just overheat and melt the shit out of your brain..
 
I took about 10strong(stupid,yep) pills in night. i didnt overdose - the MDMA just does not work..so the question is here..why do you want to take more? its not working ....3-4good MDMA pills after good break will do the job.. but not MORE...MDMA imo is considered pretty safe substance.
 
Yeah she is rolling too much.

I have a heavy-duty friend who has rolled quite a bit in her time. Most she ever took was 9 pills in a night that contained ~100-150mg of MDMA each. She hasn't rolled in maybe two years but wants to this year at Burning Man. What got her to cut down her consumption was a debilitating crash. She couldn't look at a pill for awhile after it. She's working on an education masters.

My cousin was also a heavy MDMA abuser for awhile. He took too many pills, didn't drink any water, and danced too much. He literally boiled his brain, there were air pockets in it that caused it to turn into swiss cheese in some sections. He went into shock and died for six seconds before being resuscitated by the paramedics. Believe it or not, even that damage faded over time. He is now chef that works for some of NYC's finest restaurants. Has a cute kids and a beautiful wife.

Point is, MDMA can take us down a dark road. Give your friend all the info you can, express your concern, and that's really all you can do. Damage will fix itself over time and I hope your friend comes to terms with her addiction.
 
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