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How many times do you think you'll trip?

As many times at it takes..

But that means no set amount.. Who can really know?

Maybe the next time I trip, I decide it's the last? Maybe it's hundreds more times before I even consider stopping?

I'm a RC geek, it's a hobby of mine to try almost every psychedelic I can, including weird combinations.. So I really don't see myself stopping until at least everything in Pihkal/Tihkal is crossed off (at least the good ones).
 
Im pretty new to them, only done lsd 5 times and shrooms 4 times, but so far its been good. Right now everything is balanced in my life, so I dont feel the need to do them like I did before, but who knows how I will feel down the road. Im sure my journey is not over, just on a break to experience life without any drugs.
 
thugg said:
As many times at it takes..

But that means no set amount.. Who can really know?

Maybe the next time I trip, I decide it's the last? Maybe it's hundreds more times before I even consider stopping?

I'm a RC geek, it's a hobby of mine to try almost every psychedelic I can, including weird combinations.. So I really don't see myself stopping until at least everything in Pihkal/Tihkal is crossed off (at least the good ones).


Coulnd't agree with your statment more. It sucks, I am starting to run out of available substances to try:(
 
^^^Does this seem unwise to anyone else?

Maybe this is off topic but are there any reports of permafried "geeks" who have seriously fucked their shit up toying with these chemicals like recreational lab rats?Just curiouse.

I'd rather stick to the naturally derived, true and tried, psychedelics first and formost. I'm not saying I'll never dab into the RC's eventually for a little taste of this and that but not the whole bloody two book buffet.I dont even know how many there are as I'm no geek in the field but theres gotta be an assload and from the little I know some are amphetamines which has got to be something fucked right out of this world to be psychedelic.

But hell I'm just your average, ignorant, concerned citizen.

Dont mean to be a dick8)
 
^^ Natural is a subjective term here... after all, the chemicals in plants that make you trip are undergoing the same kinds of chemical reactions to be produced as the synthetics. In fact, by feeding your mushrooms with a tryptamine, you can produce its 4-HO-counterpart. For example, give your mushrooms DiPT, and you'll end up with 4-HO-DiPT, produced by nature.

I guess that doesn't necessarily mean they're any safer, but I'm just saying...
 
^^^That is such a great little fact, its like psilocbe mushrooms are their own little laboratory. That reminds me of why these chemicals are so interesting.

On the subject of natural versus synthetic, I for some reason tend to see tryptamines as being more natural then phens, but then my definition of natural is pretty loose, and not really based on any linguistic definitions.
 
Youkai said:
untill I no longer scare my self.

i totally understand this statement, but... won't trips be worthwile any more after that?

i guess there's always something to learn, and there will aways be some recreational value, even when one has moved beyond painful, frightening discovery or rediscovery, when all that may one day be resolved.

i know a number of people who stooped using psychedelics because they scared thesemlves too much. almost invariably, these people take to drink more after they have closed the psychedelic chapter of their lives.
 
Ximot said:
i totally understand this statement, but... won't trips be worthwile any more after that?

i guess there's always something to learn, and there will aways be some recreational value, even when one has moved beyond painful, frightening discovery or rediscovery, when all that may one day be resolved.

i know a number of people who stooped using psychedelics because they scared thesemlves too much. almost invariably, these people take to drink more after they have closed the psychedelic chapter of their lives.

Possibly, I understand fully that THIS isnt IT. But I dont know what place THAT has in IT or THIS. Im reading the Bardo Thodol right now to possibly try to help me understand more of the expereince of which THAT brings.
 
i think it's all process, a journey rather than a destination.

Most of those who have stopped experimenting that I know have taken to drink, as I said. Their demons reasserting themselves... they let their demons ride them because they do not want to face them again.

THIS and THAT, I dunno. I get windows of THAT, and then it becomes THIS, and what was THIS becomes so remote... but they're just glimpes. For me it's all process, a continual evaluating and attempting to accept, again and again. For THIS is always the way is. THAT is always a projection of what isn't.

IT is, and that's it. All the rest is in the eye of the beholder.
 
Ximot said:
i think it's all process, a journey rather than a destination.

Most of those who have stopped experimenting that I know have taken to drink, as I said. Their demons reasserting themselves... they let their demons ride them because they do not want to face them again.

THIS and THAT, I dunno. I get windows of THAT, and then it becomes THIS, and what was THIS becomes so remote... but they're just glimpes. For me it's all process, a continual evaluating and attempting to accept, again and again. For THIS is always the way is. THAT is always a projection of what isn't.

IT is, and that's it. All the rest is in the eye of the beholder.

I like that. Ultimately you are correct, but there are reason for which I cant fully embrase what ever THAT is, and these are my demons. I realise that death isnt death, but I fear THAT as if it were.

you cant talk about this shit without sounding insane.
 
haha, i know what you mean. attempting to address it, though, i think is very sane. Giving words to the Unspeakable, as it were.

I have the same problems with embracing as you. Embracing without being attached, open, without struggle. Energetically it translates to free flow, self-dissolution, total surrender of the ego.

No wonder people have all sorts of ways to release stagnant energy, (aka demons). Running... work all the pent-up energy up to the max till exhaustion and when it all settles again it feels much better. Weightlifting. Masturbating... Release it in violent orgasmic outbursts... no wonder we do these physical activities... perhaps people who do manual labour jobs have these desires less. But those who don't, and indulge in such activities, know that it isn't activity iself thatis pleasurable. It'd the relief/release after it's done.

Eating ... stuffing it all in as the demons scream "satisfy me!"..... starving yourself to starve the demons.... shopping till you drop / gaming / gambling... to externalise it all and point all your mental markers as far away from self as possible.

Seems to me the answer lies in meditation, qi gong and yoga. Requires lots and lots of discipline, and I am not as good at it as I would like to be. These are practices that address the energies and rather than letting them dominate us and make us enact them compulsively they allow us to feel them, explore them, play with them... ah, tension, let me satisfy the demon behind you, it's so much easier and the reason I am still human.
 
And I guess those of us who are stuck in a rut of a cycle of depression / anxiety /anger have all this energy ballooning in our heads too often (or in our liver, kindeys, spleen...) . When there is no release it gets stuck there. Facing the demon, feeling sad, then feeling nothing but dread. And when it gets all too much the energy might travel up and down the arms, causing restlessness. Not sure if it's warm or cold... scary... hence all these release mechanisms most if not all of us have. Life is suffering.

My often neglected meditative practice reminds me that what I want to do is observe the energy, neither to wish it away nor to long for it anywhere in any way, to simply observe it and see in what ways it is beneficial for me and my well-being (ultimately this is always equivalent to everyone and everyone's wellbeing... karma...) and then to accept what I see, albeit with a genuine desire to improve... persistenly yet always gently bending the energy to move in beneficial ways.

And to always remember that everything changes, nothing's permanent and that the present moment is where i sow the seeds for how it will change. the ego puts many things into force to reassert itself, creates cunning ruses to yet again win the battle against the real self (I, you...) . The self, defeated, the ego satisfied by the unbeneficial routine it has once again enforced upon the true self and what one really needs to achieve peace / contentment / serenity.

Ah, process... now, for fear of stating the (perceived by some in the OD forum particularly) clichéd elitist attitude regarding psychedelics, I think psychedelic drugs are indeed sacraments, and they're so very different from all the other drugs out there. They're the only ones that don't actually fool the self, that don't feed the demons. As much as I may be drawn to desperate sexual activity, drinking and other pleasure-button drugs, gambling, either stuffing or starving myself, shopping.... I am so drawn to psychedelics for this very reason, and I am so grateful it makes me want to cry.

They remind me that Jean-Paul Sartre's miserable existentalist philosophy is misguided. That he is wrong when he says we're all totally isolated individual consciousnesses and when he says that all connecting is illusion/delusion. That in fact, the Buddhist / Taoist path is what is really true - that we're all one, that we're all part of the same thing, and that we're all connected. That all sense of isolation/loneliness is in fact illusion, a mere paper tiger, a figment of a sick imagination - in short, it's the ego's ruse to reassert iself. Yet the ego is bound very much to the body, we live in the physical realm on some really obvious level that all egos perceive... and survival of the body is of the utmost importance to each and everyone of us who is in their right mind, I believe. Yet the ego, which resides in it along with the true unadulterated self, has a very strong hold on most of us, me being absolutely no exception. Hence all the unbeneficial defensive thought patterns most of us have built up inside of us. They're not so much a clutching at straws than a stubborn holding onto a meare handful of unattractive straws when there's a whole daisyfield of wonderful flowers out there too... all free, in abundance, no matter how many you take it's never theft as the more you take and use the more they multiply ... it's free for the taking and giving... you cannot hold onto it so you have to let it go and if you do so freely it will come back when the time is right, when it needs to and/or when you need to. And THIS shall aways be so :)

Michel Foucault best sums up my ego's ongoing fascination with psychedelics: "the exotic charm of another system of
thought, is the limitation of our own, the stark impossibility of thinking THAT." (The Order of Things) ... And then when the ego gets its shattering, its bashing... THAT becomes THIS and "I" understand that THAT is an illusion.

But I ramble. No doubt it's my ego talking, wondering if I really want to go too much into True Self... if all is one, everyone is totally up their own arses anyway and, well, if you don't like the smell of, tough shit, baby, cos that's the way it smells round here. that's just the way it is and always has been and always will be, no matter how well you wipe it, desanitize it, deodorise it, play with it, rub it, are disgusted by it, secretly love it ...

peace and love ... for consider the alternatives!!!!! choose peace and love, again and again and again. we're really all the same and are all presented with essentially the same difficulties in life. To a very large extent. the differences are literally mundane. It's how we react that will determine future appropriate versions of what is essentially the same human drama for each and everyone of us, beyond creed, beyond ethnicity, beyond purchasing power and current economical condition or even physical well-being ... it holds true for the complacent fat rich people wo have never done honest day's work in their life and to the homeless wo struggle for survival every day, physically cold and hungry.
 
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holy moly macaroni!!!

My ego has this sadistic romance with psychedelics, theres nothing like a good ass whooping every now and again to let you know its not really that bad. The anticipation hurts the most.
 
Church said:
Good to see you back again, Dexter. I'll be tripping until the day I die, I'm sure.



yeah... ill trip so long as i have a means to do it.
 
co.1nspire said:
holy moly macaroni!!!

My ego has this sadistic romance with psychedelics, theres nothing like a good ass whooping every now and again to let you know its not really that bad. The anticipation hurts the most.

LOL, literally - you're a bit like my wife... I restlessly ramble and ramble and she can bring it right to the point in one calm sentence of wisdom. That's what you just did.
 
co.1nspire said:
^^^Does this seem unwise to anyone else?

Maybe this is off topic but are there any reports of permafried "geeks" who have seriously fucked their shit up toying with these chemicals like recreational lab rats?Just curiouse.

I'd rather stick to the naturally derived, true and tried, psychedelics first and formost. I'm not saying I'll never dab into the RC's eventually for a little taste of this and that but not the whole bloody two book buffet.I dont even know how many there are as I'm no geek in the field but theres gotta be an assload and from the little I know some are amphetamines which has got to be something fucked right out of this world to be psychedelic.

But hell I'm just your average, ignorant, concerned citizen.

Dont mean to be a dick8)

Well thanks for the concern, but I think I'll be alright (then again, who can really know?). The burned out type seem to get that way regardless of the drugs they do. I have numerous examples of people that I know for a fact have eaten less psychedelics than me, but you would think that they ate acid every day of their life (in fact, I was quite shocked to find out this kid had never tripped).

Besides, I'm fully aware of the potential risks involved, and if you're wasting too much time worrying about that, then you could just as easily worry endlessly that walking out of your house you'll get hit by a meteor, or hit by a car. Everything has risk involved, just some activities are slightly more risky than others.
 
^^ Agreed with Thugg, thanks for the concern, but I feel I am in no immediate danger of becoming that guy "who did so much acid, he never came back". I have been experimenting with psychedelic substances for nearly a decade, and I beleive I have lost no upper level cognative function from it. I have done far more damage to myself with tried and true drugs like mdma and alcohol than the psychs. I feel (since I dont drive, I commute by mountain bike) that I am far more likely to have major damage done to me by some drunk fucker talking on a cell phone while driving than to die of a shroom od.
 
.....since, afterall, WE ARE
The Products of
What We Were.

.....and, yet, who ARE WE
To Proclaim our own
Identity....that's just being subjective.

Good thread though, I like the long post Ximot, as well as all the others.
 
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