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dustyw

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Hi guys,

3 questions...kind of :)


1. I only ever re-dose once - 2 hours after the initial dose.
How many times can you actually re-dose to extend the peak?
Can i re-dose a 2nd time, a 3rd time? If so is it one hour later? Does it really extend the peak even more?

I realize the more you take the worse you feel the next day.

2. Why is it when you re-dose you take half the initial dose? It makes sense to me you would take more or the same...not less. In fact the 2nd time doing MDMA i started with 200mg, than re-dosed with 400MG (i read you re-dosed 2x which i now know is wrong). After tons of forum reading i know you indeed take half the dose.I felt pretty bad the next day lol.


On a side note - i always feel horrible the next day like everyone else. Would eating some Oxycontin the following day help take the misery away?

Thanks so much!
 
Kk firstly, that is UK hardcore Ibizia raver amounts of MDMA you dose. I would really try to lower your doses. Ideally one wouldn't really need over half a gram of MDMA. At that point you would be well beyond floored. Well beyond. Also ideally, is to cease the redose action. Typically speaking I would imagine one small redose to be okay occasion permitting. At that I would actually agree with you. If you take 100mg, redosing 50mg isn't gonna take you very far. Might as well save it, eh?

Also it is an absolute necessity for me to want to use opiates for the initial transition between MDMA and soberness. So taking OxyContin the day after would be okay. Just don't get accustomed to that or you will be really pissed the day you can't use it as a comedown crutch. Woot.
 
Taking any drug after abusing MDMA isn't going to offset the massive changes caused in brain chemistry after such high doses.. taking anything over 350mg spaced over like 6 hours makes the next week or two absolute shit for myself. If I dose responsibly however I feel almost refreshed, yet a bit tired. No need for Oxy on days like those..


Just keep your use responsible, IMO using opiates like that is quite risky.. it's how many BLer's long term opiate/benzo addictions started off. As far as redosing goes, try and keep it to one as best as possible. Sometimes I end up doing one more but that's always the one I regret, it usually never adds anything good.
 
Folley said:
Taking any drug after abusing MDMA isn't going to offset the massive changes caused in brain chemistry after such high doses.. taking anything over 350mg spaced over like 6 hours makes the next week or two absolute shit for myself. If I dose responsibly however I feel almost refreshed, yet a bit tired. No need for Oxy on days like those..


Just keep your use responsible, IMO using opiates like that is quite risky.. it's how many BLer's long term opiate/benzo addictions started off. As far as redosing goes, try and keep it to one as best as possible. Sometimes I end up doing one more but that's always the one I regret, it usually never adds anything good.
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Thanks for the responses.

Let me ask you this:

This will be by 6th time doing MDMA in the last 6-8 months ( we went crazy 3 weeks in a row than been spacing it out to once a month).

Each time i do it i have done 200mg to start.

1. If i dropped back to a normal dose of "100-120". Will my body feel it the same as a 200mg dose?

2. Will my body not really feel it because i'm use to 200mg and i cut it in half essentially? I don't want to cut it down if it won't work as hard. I would hate to ruin the night.
 
That's a crazy amount of MDMA.
When I redose it's always with the same as my initial dose, unless I'm completely whacked, in which case ill wait a bit then take half.
I try not to exceed 400mg in one night, ideally 250mg, but sometimes the comedown hits early and the show isn't over yet haha.
However I find redosing more than once doesn't extend your peak, just wards off the comedown and tweaks you out like crazy, this is when people get the mad swinging jaw and psychotic death glares.
And as for redosing amounts, they say to only take half because there is still MDMA in your system when you redose, and you won't have really built up a tolerance yet. If you take more it can skyrocket you into a very uncomfortable confusing high.
And for your last question, opiates will make you feel a shit ton better the next day, but just because it makes you not feel the comedown doesn't mean you can go doing m all the time e cause you have oxy to heal your comedown, the negative side effects from MDMA abuse will still be there, also don't go getting an opiate addiction now
 
I believe that if you are looking to extend the length of your roll, a great way to do it is by taking it via a gelatin capsule, on a full stomach. Your peak won't be as intense, but it will last longer so that you don't comedown while the event is still raging.
 
If i'm use to taking 200MG - if i cut back to 100mg will i still be as messed up?
I'm afraid to cut it back and it won't feel as good.

ps - i always take them with a Gelatin capsule.
 
Probably wont be as "messed up" if you are used to taking 200mg recently and have built up a tolerance
 
dustyw said:
Thanks for the responses.

Let me ask you this:

This will be by 6th time doing MDMA in the last 6-8 months ( we went crazy 3 weeks in a row than been spacing it out to once a month).

Each time i do it i have done 200mg to start.

1. If i dropped back to a normal dose of "100-120". Will my body feel it the same as a 200mg dose?

2. Will my body not really feel it because i'm use to 200mg and i cut it in half essentially? I don't want to cut it down if it won't work as hard. I would hate to ruin the night.
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What you should do is take a couple months off, maybe even six. Then when you use again, dose low. Like 100-150. Sure those 200mg Dutch pills exist. But nobody ever said you need to take one in its entirety to roll.
 
If i'm use to taking 200MG - if i cut back to 100mg will i still be as messed up?
I'm afraid to cut it back and it won't feel as good.
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If you take a 200 mg dose, then take a 120 mg dose one month later, you'll probably notice a difference, because your tolerance will still be up. If you take a long tolerance break (3-6 months is a good suggestion), then try 120 mg agin, you will indeed feel very "messed up."
 
Take a 150mg dose.
Proceed to roll.
Take another 150 mg dose RIGHT after your peak hits. (Estimating for the time of the plateau and the time it takes for the pill to dissolve and deliver the MDMA to your bloodstream.)

As for tolerance, I think a month is a good window to not feel any difference in dosages. As long as you are eating right, gaining those electrolytes and sleeping well, your body will forget the MDMA even existed before.

Personally, I used to take two stamped ones (haven't dropped since 2010 though), experience those serious eye wiggles and then when my peak starts coming down I'd take another one. By that time it'll be around like 10-11. When I start re-peaking again, I take another one and I'm pretty much good for the night. Then again there were those nights when I started I would take two and then two and then two and then two. :/

For the pure MDMA I used to take a 250mg dose. I had a pretty high tolerance to MDMA and loved to peak as hard as I can. The moment the first peak hits I would be floored, and then the few that I take one by one after I would feel in small amounts. It would keep me up though.

I remember I accidentally gave my friend a 500mg dose of my MDMA thinking I was "hooking him up", also thinking I packed it into a 250mg capsule(don't ask).
Boy did he sure have a rough night
 
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Um, I can't remember if we're supposed to suggest things like this, but at a certain point adding more E is going to just be shite compared to adding something else a bit fun into the mix like a bit of K.

I'm six foot 160 pounds and while I'm basically not an itty bitty person, I just can't fathom taking the dosages of MDMA you guys talk about doing these days and I've been doing E since 1995 or 96. If you need so much, get better sources IMO.
 
ake another 150 mg dose RIGHT after your peak hits.
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No. This is not a good idea. Redose with half or a 3rd of your original dose IF YOU MUST.

As for tolerance, I think a month is a good window to not feel any difference in dosages......your body will forget the MDMA even existed before.
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Again, no. MDMA tolerance does not work like that, your body does simply not 'forget' about MDMA. If you are taking 300mg in a session every month, you will almost certainly build up a tolerance fast, and be doing yourself some damage in the process. Keep your dose to (ideally) 250mg MAXIMUM, and DO-NOT re-dose.

Personally, I would take two stamped ones (haven't dropped since 2010 though), experience those serious eye wiggles and then when my peak starts coming down I'd take another one. By that time it'll be around like 10-11. When I start re-peaking again, I take another one and I'm pretty much good for the night. Then again there were those nights when I started I would take two and then two and then two and then two. :/
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As the poster of this comment probably knows, please for the love of God do not follow this advice. This is terrible HR. Dose once, keep your dosage below 250mg, and thats it. I for one dose 220mg at once and don't re-dose. You feel so much better for it, and you don't have that horrible crushing depression the following days. Try and space your rolls out by 2-3months also, 1 month is far too soon.
 
Morphling said:
Um, I can't remember if we're supposed to suggest things like this, but at a certain point adding more E is going to just be shite compared to adding something else a bit fun into the mix like a bit of K.

I'm six foot 160 pounds and while I'm basically not an itty bitty person, I just can't fathom taking the dosages of MDMA you guys talk about doing these days and I've been doing E since 1995 or 96. If you need so much, get better sources IMO.
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I don't even think 150mg is that much, I remember the pokeballs from back in the days tested around 90mg of MDMA with a little bit of caffeine, some included small traces of ketamine. I didn't really bump into anybody that had trouble from taking two of these pressed rolls at once. Considering that would be equivalent to a 180mg dosage... Oh wait, I realize that tolerance really does matter. I forget that OP has minor experience with MDMA and the whole family.

I used to weigh around 155 at 5'5 during those times, and never did I bad trip off of a clean roll. The adulterated ones on the other hand...

That would really depend on if you actually did K or not. I learned about K around a year after I started rolling, and needless for me to say I think K has to be one of the best drugs in the world. All it did was make me happy in small doses, extremely philosophical in higher doses, and create an experience with E that was unrealistic. I would not ever want to go through a K hole while I was rolling though 8) I wouldn't want to suggest to somebody to take another substance unless they bring it up themselves, I'd rather have them not be curious about any future hardships that they might end up in.

SilentRoller,

Seriously? A month feels like a pretty long time to me. I mean, I understand the effects it has on the level of serotonin because of the repercussions it brings to the reuptake cycle, but one month is surely enough to detox 300mg worth. Just load up on 5-htp and other serotonin precursors, drink/eat a lot of foods that hold a bountiful amount of anti-oxidants, and keep yourself in shape. I assumed developing tolerance would be a given from taking it once every couple of days, or maybe weeks.
I was just kidding about forgetting the MDMA. Your body does not forget the pain of any drug 8(

On clean presses I would hardly get any depression, I used to take like 1mg of alprazolam before I went to bed (put me right to sleep) and the next days would feel as good as new. The reason I re-dose is because when I roll at a festival, I intend to stay there until it ends, which means I'd rather be amped up for the next couple of hours then be coming down wondering where my mind went. I never meant to suggest my way of dosage for the OP.

I would not recommend my dosages for anybody, but you see it all too often from people that have been through the scene. Until they quit.
 
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