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How many ppl have shot somebody up/showed them how for their 1st time? Would you?

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This one kind of goes with the other thread i made today, But i am wondering since it is very common in junkie culture, for people to "help" their friends boot up when the friend first wants to start using IV. And we all go thru this extreme mess of emotions surrounding it, is it right to do it? should we? but if we dont, are they gonna do worse? is it right, is it wrong, is it their choice, should i respect their choice that they made to IV, or should i not contribute to wat i KNOW is gonna be their downfall just like it was mine?

So I am asking. How many people here, Have IV'ed a person for that persons first time? If you aint, Would you consider doing this for someone in the future? Why or why not? Wat is your feelings on this? I been on both sides. I been the IV-ee and the IV-er, and so I understand where they come from. Theres the arguement from the first timer that wants the dose, "Ima do it whether you want me to or not, and i can either do it on my own and miss, and waste all my dope, or have some skeezy ass dirty person who cant do it right show me and do it for me, or YOU can do it for me, cuz i trust you, and you got clean sets and know proper technique, and that way you can watch over me and youll know that Im safe, do you want me to be in danger of getting a disease or something? Be compassionate and shoot me up!"

That arguement is pretty hard to get past, and Ive used it in the past on people, as well as had it used on me by people who wanted me to IV them. And then there is the already addicted potential shooter arguement like, "I dont want you to IV it, I know that you say you will either way, but I feel that it is wrong, and I cant live with myself knowing that I was the one that gave you your first shot and showed you how to do it. I want you to do it right, but knowing that it was ME that gave you that FIRST shot that started ruining everything is too much weight for me to bear, i could not be the one responsible for that."

Of course we also got the "I am gonna do this for you one time, and if you ask me to do it again, i aint gonna do it, and i wont show you how to do it for yourself, becuz i dont want you to be able to learn on your own." rationalizing from the shooter. But then that can lead to "well, since s/he wont show me, i guess ill have to figure it out on my own" which can lead to the person ODing, missing, using bad technique and gettin a abcess, etc. It is a very complicated situation, and I am wondering wat yalls thoughts on this is. Where is the line on harm reduction drawn. In theory, its easy to answer these questions, but in real life, its alot more complicated. How has this affected you in your real life? Have you had regrets related to it, have you ever helped save somebody from goin down the wrong path by not IVing them, etc?

its sad to say, but we all turn out the same way pretty much. The way I see it, is we all had someone who went before us show us the ropes, and then slowly we learn it ourselfs and show it to somebody else, and we all go down, knockin each other over like a long line of dominoes a hundred years long...
 
my boys shot me up my first time.
my boy wanted me to but i refused.
 
I've shot a few people up for the first time.

No big. Rather they do that then hurt themselves.
 
I would if someone asked, I've shown this one guy i went to grade school with, mainly just how to do the cotton part, he found a vein and hit himself easily.
 
I watched someone do it and figured it out from there. Didn't specifically ask him to show me, just asked questions about the process...it was fascinating to me. Then one night in my basement, just tied myself off and shot myself up.

I also like to explain the process to people, for some strange reason. I've only shot myself up on two occasions about 7 or 8 times total, but I just find the whole thing strangely fascinating for some reason.
 
I never did. I probably would if I knew how if they want me too, just for sake of harm reduction..but if I fucked up..:p

I was offered to be shot with a used needle to be showned the right way to do H...DENIED
 
I wouldnt. I have a friend who works in the high courts and they are involved in a case where someone shot up there mate with H and he OD'd, killing him. The dude who shot them up is now up for manslaughter... fuck that!

I dont have a problem with it morally though, if they wanna get high via IV then go hard, they are gonna do it with or without my help.
 
The first time I tried heroin, was at the request of a friend of mine to get some for him.

I had only injected anything once, which was some 2C-T-7 recently with a 25 gauge needle. I learned how to IV myself thanks to a wonderful guide by PhreeX that used to be here on Bluelight. Anyone have that guide anymore? I can't find it.

So we drove to Boston and parked in a random neighborhood and walked around and within an hour we had scored a bundle. The next day was his 19th birthday, and I got some 29 gauge syringes at the pharmacy in the morning and I prepped his shot and injected for him. He ended up passed out most of the day on one bag. : P

I don't remember if I ever introduced anyone else to the needle...
 
When I first started shooting dope I had my then-boyfriend do it for me probably the first ten times. Then I wanted to get high one day and he wasn't around, so it didn't take long for me to do it myself. Even though I have IV'd myself many, many times, I still have my boyfriend do it sometimes just to make it easier because I hate my little tiny veins, and if I'm using a long tip needle it is really easy for me to go through the vein, so it's just easier for him to do it with two hands.

I have shot up a few people for their first times, including my current boyfriend. I know how determined people get when they want to shoot up, so I'd rather just do it and know that I've shown them proper technique.
 
I was shot up by a friend (who is now dead from heroin) my first time. I have helped other people bang, but not for their first time. Most users I know won't introduce someone to heroin or IV, but if you don't know how to hit yourself yet aren't new to the drug they'll help.

A good friend of mine expressed interest in it and asked me to help her get some dope and shoot her up, my response was "Look, I'm not going to lie. Heroin feels great, shooting it you feel like a god when that rush hits. I just can't bring myself to introduce you to it, or even recommend it. Sorry, I don't want that on my conscience."
 
i was the first one in my circle of friends to pick up a syringe and start banging the opiates we all snorted regularly. once i had broken the 'taboo' everyone else soon started falling in line - and, of course, they were all too scared to do it themselves at first for fear of 'fucking up' or phobias about needles, etc. and there i was, 'the doctor' as they called me, to inject them the first dozen or so times, and eventually teach them the process of cooking up and finding a vein, etc, etc. i've corrupted over a dozen of my old drug friends back in winnipeg to the 'dark side', a good number of them innocent girls who otherwise would never have gone to the needle. do i feel guilty? no, fuck that. drugs not injected are drugs WASTED. of course, now that i've moved to vancouver i hear a good number of them are helpless heroin addicts struggling to find a daily fix and going through hellish withdrawals when they can't. oh well, their problem now. :P

ahh, but in those early days when everyone in my crew would come to my place to have me inject them with oxycontins or dilaudid... man, it was a regular shooting gallery up in there - sometimes i'd be injecting one person and have another four or five waiting in line for me to hit them. fucking crazy scene, man. but yeah, once they got over their initial fear i taught them the technique and they all ran off and started banging shit in their own darkened apartments/rooms. :)

i'm going to hell! :D

on the other hand, better that i - a relatively smart and responsible IV user - teach them the basics of sterile injecting and do it for them the first few times than have them get taught by some skeezy-ass dirtbag who'll give them used works, or try it by themselves at first and tear their arm all to hell and so forth.
 
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''do i feel guilty? no, fuck that. drugs not injected are drugs WASTED.''

Hahahaha, fuck man thats ruthless.
 
I've hit many people up for their first time. I never thought anything about it. they wanted to do it and they had the dope, so why not?
 
It should be that simple papa, and youre right. But for example, I feel like i will always have a weight on my concseince for doing this to my man. We been together for 6 years. Longer than I been on bluelight actually.

Last november i had nowhere safe to stay and was livin in my car, hidin from people who was searching for me. I aint tryna talk about it but I will say, It involved a couple G's, a front of product that got confiscated when I got raided, and them wantin their money back as well as a no snitch guarantee, which if they knew me they woulda already knew they had but anyways.

I couldnt go home cuz they knew where i lived at and i didnt want my family to potential get hurt so i was bouncin from place to place, and finally, i called my man, who was my X at the time cuz he was sick of me runnin the streets makin deals and i had been gettin violent and threatenin ppl when shit didnt go right, for a while i turned into a real cold ass bitch the streets got to me and i lost alot of humanity and he didnt want nothing to do with me.

so anyways, i didnt knowo where else i had left to go, so i called him in desperation, i was sick as FUCK, so , so dopesick, on the run, I had just caught a charge that i was certain was gonna land me in state prison for a few years (and it would have if it wasnt for improper obtainin evidence) but thas another story.

He had 2 jobs at the time and lots of dough, I gave him a quick story of wat was going on, that there is these people looking for me, that they took all the money I had, that the cops took my phone, i had nothing but my car and a borowed cell phone with no charger and a half dead battery, and could he please, please let me borrow some money for some dope, I was so sick, I had to get better so i could even THINK about wat was gonna happen to me and wat i was gonna do.

And he said, Ill give it to you, Ill buy you a bundle....

And i thought, Aight, hell yea, thank god jesus joseph and mary.

And then he said,
But only if youll shoot me up too.

And I hate that moment in my life. I feel like it is one of the most selfish decision i ever made. Cuz he didnt want to get on the needle on his own. he told me the reason he did it that night was becuz ME telling him the story of wat I had been thru, got him so depressed and angry, that the girl he once knew and loved more than himself, had turned into this hollow ass shell of a lost soul, that he felt like he just wanted to kill the pain of knowing, so he wanted to join me in sweet oblivion.

I told him i didnt want to boot him up, that i didnt wanna be the one responsible, that i would share with him but could he please just sniff it like he usually did, but he wouldnt budge. he was like, if you were willing to throw everything in your life away for that feeling, I guess i better feel it too and see wat all the fuss is about.

And in that moment of weakness, of bein on like the second day of complete cold turkey withdrawl, with no money , no food, hadnt aten anything in a day or two, i was almost delirious and on top of it, constantly looking over my shoulder, I said OK. I wanted to say no. I wanted to be strong and say fine i will be dope sick, becuz i cant justify giving the worst poison in the world to the one person I love the most. But i didnt. I said yes, and i made him a shot, and i booted him up.

I booted him up and I still remember the look on his face, how he could barely speak, his voice went to a whisper, how the fucking pure bliss of sweet beautiful warm nothing washed over his angry face and made it smooth and smiling, head leaned back already nodding 30 seconds after i pushed down the plunger, and I knew he was fucking doomed just like me.

And I was the one that gave it to him. It was all becuz of me. If he hadnt picked up that phone that day, and just went out, like he said he was gonna, cuz he had been on the way out the door to chill with one of his boys but for some reason he turned back and picked up my call instead, he would probably be a happy, weed smokin, occasional opiate using guy with a nice, good, sweet new, better girlfriend that wasnt a triple-arrested double felon, hood hustling, ghetto azz, trouble making schemin-ass junkie.

But that one day changed the course of his entire life and I am the one who made that decision. now hes just as addicted as I am. We share the good times and the bad. we put or money together and go cop, block after block, same thing different day, nextel phones to chirp eachother while one is the lookout and the other goes to the dealer, nodding out together , our bed like a blanket made out of swiss cheese from all the cigarettes we dropped burning while we fell asleep. A wonderful junkie couple. People that met as soul mates , 10 years ago, and grew to be friends then best friends then became each others love, made it so far, and my struggle with opiates been 6-7 years long but his was never til now, and I feel like after all that we are reduced to this, because of me.

I still shoot him up most of the time. he been booting for less than half the amount of time than I have, but his veins are totally shot, they was shit to begin with and now they ar impossoble to hit, so i am his nurse. And every time i give him that shot i think about that first one, and how shit could be different now if I hadnt gave into my dopesickness and accepted his offer. So you see it aint always as black and white as some people might imagine......
 
lacey k said:
It should be that simple papa, and youre right. But for example, I feel like i will always have a weight on my concseince for doing this to my man. ....
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I see what you're saying and I've never been in that position. I don't know if I would've done any different. It was a condition of getting the money to get well. I've done a lot of things to get well. I'm not proud of any of them.
 
I let someone who knew what they were doing shoot me up my first time, while I observed closely. I am not sure how I'd feel about administering a shot to a friend their first time, but I suppose if they are determined to do it anyway, whats the harm?

There is much stigma around IV drug use, however IMO, it is a safe ROA if done correctly. I prefer shooting with sterile gear as oppossed to insufflation, any day.
 
guided friends over the phone on how to do it a few times (All 3 times they called between 2-4am)

a few times i slapped myself did a shot of yay and oc and had to drag my ass outta bed to help the poor motherfuckers who couldnt figure out how to do the damn thing cuz they were turning themselves into a pin cushion and trying veins in there wristes and shit
 
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