How many people here use opiates and can get up in the am?

Bojangles69

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This is perhaps by biggest hangup against opiates as stupid as it sounds, but opiates for me trigger INTENSE hypersomnia.
I almost miss not being able to sleep for 2 weeks straight when I was tapering because now I feel like I'm asleep all day.

THIS is precisely whats ruining my life and I think I've spoke about it before.
But tapering down will aggravate the hypersomnia I noticed (because I'm both in wds and oversleepy from higher doses) to an extent, then after I always pass a certain point (50gms) I can wake up in the mornings again.

Now I'm around 100gms and I keep bouncing my dose to stablize (as weird as it sounds I'm just listening to my body really and giving it whatever it needs for wds) and today I woke up at 1:30pm. Had gone to bed at 3am the night before. But get this, I wake up crawl over to the sofa, lay down in this weird state where I'm half awake and half alseep and it seems like I must stay in the state for an hour or before I really wake up. But I didn't actually get up and start moving around till 3:30 today.
Its a fucking shame and I hate myself when I oversleep like this, but I almost can't avoid it cause I'm a selfish drug addict.

Anyway everytime I taper down I get slammed with wds, but its the sleep that I really can't stand. I don't really care about wds but is there anything I can do to stop this hypersomnia? Just to make it easier to get down to 50gms?

I have no idea how you people hold addictions and jobs down at the same time. The only reason I'm getting by now is I just go to school parttime and am holding down a small but lucrative business. But because my body always feels like it needs enormous amounts of sleep, getting to bed by midnight is impossible. I don't understand how to trick my body or get myself headed back in the right direction. But this sleep crap has been going on so long that its driving me crazy. I'm not depressed but another few months of the shit and I'm bound to get there soon enough.

But are our bodies just all different? Is this a sign at 28 that my body has just taken on too much abuse? I read that smoking also aggravates hypersomnia so I'm thinking I will cut back and see what happens, but I definitely believe its the pods thats the cuplrit. I also had this issue on suboxone too there was NO WAY I was waking up before noon no matter what.

How do you people tolerate this lifestyle? How do you maintain your lives on opiates? I see some of you people holding down fulltime jobs, using more than I am, and I don't understand HOW you are able to do that. Did you not really have any severe addictions before opiates? Because I'm sure my past amphetamine abuse prob predisposed me in someway... but got I don't think you could possibly understand how subhuman it feels to wake up, just to go lay on a couch, body stiff, hot flashes cause I basically sleep right into wds now, I don't know how to deal with this sleep issue anymore.

I'm tapering down but its hard.
 
I'm on suboxone myself and am able to fall asleep fine. It makes me tired during the day as well, never understood when people said it gives them energy. Unless I put my alarm on for 10a.m when I usually get up after going to bed at 4-5 A.M I'll sleep in until 5-6p.m all the time. I also find it helpful to put the alarm on a half an hour to an hour before you really to get up, then you are able to wake up and fall back asleep for a little bit, then it's a bit easier to wake up the second time...perhaps try that.
 
I use morphine daily and insomnia is often a much bigger problem for me then insomnia. Unless im depressed that is. So yeah i can get up early no prob.
 
tends to go by dealers honestly. If I had an AM dealer, believe me I would be up at 5am, if my guy worked till 4-5pm, I'd sleep till 3pm. Fuckin opiates...
 
Can't say opiates have given me hypersomnia, but withdrawals certainly do. All I can do is sleep when I'm withdrawing and the sleep is sweaty, fitful and full of nightmares.

The day after dosing, I sometimes have a headache and feel generally crummy. This can be helped by drinking extra water while high. Maybe your oversleeping is related? Are you also fatigued/drowsy when you wake up?
 
been off opiates for darnnear 40 days and I still cant sleep past 6am. Been getting at about 530am every morning. Now Im able to fall asleep and I goto bed early about 10pm or so, but still cant sleep past 530am not a huge deal bc Im still getting 7hr+ of sleep. still weird though bc on opiates I'd goto sleep at 11pm and not be able to wake up to my 745am alarm.
 
Can't say opiates have given me hypersomnia, but withdrawals certainly do. All I can do is sleep when I'm withdrawing and the sleep is sweaty, fitful and full of nightmares.

This is what i get when withdrawing. Fuck does it suck badly. I have had a few really bad nightmares during withdrawal where i woke up drenched in sweat and had to look around to see if the dream was real or not.
 
^ man after methadone , i wouldn't be able to sleep past 4am for fucking 4 months. it was the worst - I'd go to bed early also, but just couldn't get those few extra hours I felt like I needed.
 
Can't say opiates have given me hypersomnia, but withdrawals certainly do. All I can do is sleep when I'm withdrawing and the sleep is sweaty, fitful and full of nightmares.

The day after dosing, I sometimes have a headache and feel generally crummy. This can be helped by drinking extra water while high. Maybe your oversleeping is related? Are you also fatigued/drowsy when you wake up?

Yeh I have actually noticed that on the days I "splurge" and up my dose, and ONLY when I up my dose can I wake up in the morning.
However, by day 2-3 on that dose my hypersomnia will actually worsen. Like if I take 100gms pods and am sleeping 11 hours, if I raise it to 125gms I can get by with only 8-9 hours the following day, but the if I stay on that dose a couple days I wind up sleeping 12-13 hours when my body adjusts to the higher dose.

When I taper down, like if I went from 100gms to 80gms, I can wake up easier in the morning, although I feel much more fatigued tired when I AM up.
If I just take 100gms w/out dropping, my body still wants to sleep 10-11 hours, and its hard as shit (hard as in I literally can't/won't get up) but when I DO get up I have a bit more energy than if I had dropped the day before.

Its crazy but theres definitely a pattern to it. I just don't understand though why anytime my dose goes up, I can wake up the following morning, but by day 2 on that dose my sleep rebounds backwords and will stablize needing more sleep than before I made the raise. Although I'm able to function during the day.
When I drop, I lose a bit of sleep (big drops = complete insomnia) so I can wake up in the morning, although throughout the day I can't function because I'm in a zombie state.
So to sum it up lol, higher doses make me sleep longer, while feeling more awake during the day, while lower doses make me sleep less, while feeling more tired during the day. I like tapering for the aspect that my sleep gradually improves and I can wake up, but during the day even if I'm getting 8 hours of sleep I'm still tired as shit.

I think my smoking aggravates it, and the fact that I already likely destroyed my "sleep transmitters" from my history with speed abuse. I mean I have a friend whos addicted to 200mg oxy everyday, but wakes up at 6am no problem and goes right to work. While when I take a high dose of opiates I can NOT wake up no matter what. On a stable doses I wind up averaging 10-12 hours a day, while always getting tired towards the end of the day.

I'll be honest I think the real problem is 2 things. 1 is that I almost never take my dose at the same time everyday, and another is that my dose is always fluctuating. I'm trying to stablize at just 100gms right now, so I can start tapering, but g/damn the wds/fatigue at this dose is rough. My older habit would max out at 50gms, and it was so much easier to taper while functioning during the day. I made such a big mistake by doubling my intake, and I just wanna get back on a taper but these energy swings are from another world it seems.
 
I don't seem to have this reaction. On the contrary. While it relaxes me, I can't fall asleep until it wears off...especially Tramadol!
 
Yeh thats the same here I find all opiates more stimulating than sedating. I think I understand whats happening though.
If I dose mid dayish, I can generally get to sleep when I need. And if go to sleep, I wind up sleeping right into wds, and once wds begin all I want to do is sleep (untill I get really low with my dose is when I notice insomnia starts to show its face).

But basically if I dose in the evening, its harder to sleep, but easier to wake up. If I dose midday, its easy to sleep, but near impossible to wake up. I think I have to find a happy medium thats in between evening and noon, maybe somewhere around 2-3 oclock. Because with one habit I wind up getting to sleep when I need, but sleeping right into wds and can't get up. Another habit I can't get to sleep, but can wake up somewhat. The hypersomnia is always there as long as I'm on higher doses, but in terms of what will keep me stable while tapering I need to really start dosing around 2-3pm. I usually will only dose around 10-12, or later like 7-8, and I think thats the real issue here.
I just need to pick somewhere in between and keep it there so I can start tapering off this shit again.
 
Pods are crazy like that for me. If I'm on around 100gms a day, I can easily sleep 12-15 hours. On oxycodone or oxycontin, I'm fine: 8-9 hours (unless I really overdo it) then wake up when the alarm sounds. I can even get 5 hours of sleep on oxy and feel awake and attentive the next day.

I can't take oxy too late in the day though or I'll be up until 6am. And then I get into this cycle where I'm staying up later and later and waking up at 5 or 6pm. Or 8:30pm. And then I know I'm really fucked.

I was stuck in that cycle for a long time when my shrink switched me from Seroquel IR to Seroquel XR and it was awful. I tapered off the Seroquel but I couldn't make my sleep normal for months after discontinuing that drug. That shit worked well for my bi-polar, but it's evil for sleep and I was only on 25mg a day. I was fine with the IR formulation, but the XR was hell.

Strangely enough, on methadone, my sleep is normal (7-9 hours) and I'm fairly energetic during the day as long as I can maintain on about 50mg. On a lower dose, I'm tired all the time.
 
Bo, I am shocked you are taking so much again! I am still tapering down on the morphine. Down to 33.75 mg a day total. I cut the 4 am dose out completely. I just cut another dose in half at 4 pm too. Haven't had any WD at all this time! I'm not in a hurry either. I cut then stablise for a month and then cut again. Take it slow this time Bo. Wait longer between drops to let your head heal a bit too.

:)
 
Mate i feel 4 ya , i been using over a decade n my sleep pattern is ridiculous.
I 'm usually up at 4am 5 if i'm lucky n i haven't even got a job (due 2 helth reasons).
More than any thing i think it's my benzo addiction more than the opiates that causes this.
Any way i 'm not 2 bothered atm as England are currently battering the OZies inthe cricket which is in OZ so i can watch that!
 
Thanks everyone and helpme that is a good idea taking it slow. Its just so hard once you start abusing it to make that initial break and get back on a tapering schedule. Im trying real hard though and can only hope I will do it. The funny thing about tapering opiates is the wds at high doses are always so much worse than lower doses. But only after 2 weeks of tapering it feels like normal behavoir. I just wish I can skip those 2 weeks and get to that point.
Artax that makes me happy to see you slept that long too, its the same exact thing that is going on with me at that dose. Being as though pods do this, just makes me fucking hate them that much more. I wonder if its like a rebound of the thebaine or something, very weird.
 
Choose a different and less addictive drug to look forward to for excitement. I recommend weed and the occasional psychedelic.
 
tends to go by dealers honestly. If I had an AM dealer, believe me I would be up at 5am, if my guy worked till 4-5pm, I'd sleep till 3pm. Fuckin opiates...

^^^This is about the only time in my life I was ever able to regularly wake up early, when I had to meet my dealer at 10am almost everyday for a few months, and that's only because I was in withdrawals or knew that I would be in withdrawals if I didn't catch him early enough.


For me pods were probably the most sedating opiate, Heroin seemed light when I switched for a while. Subs feel best for me and I'm still on them, but I still rarely wake up before noon. Fortunately I work mostly at night so it's not a problem. I've never been able to wake up early and be functional unless I took Adderall or something, I've just accepted that for me I'm a night person, always have been with or without opiates. If I have to get up early regularly my sleep suffers. My Ritalin script has been a godsend for me, it's allowed me to function better than ever before and I have no desire to take more than prescribed.

So I don't have any answers, I just know for me getting on subs helped take away alot of the lethargy and the ritalin allows me to wake up 10 times faster than I ever could before. I still have the same extreme night owl schedule, but it works because I have a night owl job.

You just got to do what works best for you.
 
I took opiates before for kicks, but never got addicted to them so my experience might be a little different.

I took 4 x 10 mgs of Oxycodone IR and surprisingly, it helped me focus and I ended up staying up all night. Felt a bit of a body high, and did have that pressure in my head that I get when I get tired, but I never really got an urge to fall asleep.

I did end up getting constipated though. Probably why I stay the hell away from opiates now. Painful shits are not worth it to me personally. Ugh. Never again.
 
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