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How many junkies have quit

SWIM OPIATES said:
Ok lets break this down logically. Say you start getting high about once a week for a month and spend 20 dollars a pill (roxi's). Then you start getting high about 3 times a week for another month at 20 a pill. Then next month you get high everyday using two pills a day lets say you get wholesale at 15 a pill. So the third month your spending 30 dollars a day that's about 900 a month. By the end of the year you will probably be doing around 4 pills a day at 60 dollars a day which is 1800 a month. At 1800 a month that's 21,600 a year after taxes, so before taxes you would need to make around 28,000 a year. O yea i forgot rent, insurance, food, and we don't have to worry about clothes since a junky needs to get high before he looks nice. Yes its is absolutely possible.

Now if you live home with your mother yes you can last longer than a year, but your living at home with your mother lol.

If your making over 50,000 a year yes you can do this, but it won't last for long becuase in due time you will need more to sustain.
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I don't think $50k a year is enough to really sustain a junkie plus pay rent, etc. More like $75k+ (before taxes) and that is still stretching it. I would say the vast majority of junkies probably make less than half that. That's why so many addicts end up stealing and in jail.
 
It's been several years, on and off maintenance BMT and MMT, and shooting dope. No jail, no homelessness. Hard lessons sure, but I'd be lying if I said I felt remorse or guilt or negative about any of it.

So are you saying that you accept that you are an addict and if it's not impacting your life in a negative way then it's not a problem? I'm curious because I've had the same thoughts myself and didn't know if there was some validity to it or if I was just trying to rationalize to myself. Every aspect of my life is great but I have occasionally felt guilt over being an addict. But I don't know if I really should?
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I find that the guilt of things we have done while in a state of desperation is what causes this, which gets associated with the drug rather than our own behavior. If you follow the rationale that you will inevitably end up in jail, dead, on the street, etc from hard drugs, and that you have no control over your actions or thoughts because of the drug(s), it becomes impossible to use. This is where that old adage from NA 'after you go in treatment, its never the same' started.

It seems most if not all addicts do rationalize their use. However, the difference is that I'm not actively 'using' right now, simply maintaining the dependancy via MMT while I cool off for awhile. Theres no 'high' to speak of. That doesn't mean I plan on quitting, or that I don't have plans to resume regular short acting opioid IV use in the future.

I'd elaborate further but this is just my personal opinion and circumstance. I don't doubt the physical and psychological problems, family and relationship strain, and other assorted issues effect others from opioids and addiction. They are well founded and well documented. But I won't say I'm a sick man in need of a savior to protect me from myself. People who have it or have had it rough due to drug related problems don't like this kind of thinking, don't believe it to be anything but addict bullshit, which is fine.

I'm not in need of a cure, and don't have any immediate or longterm plans to not be opioid dependant- be it MMT, BMT or shooting dope, or a changing combination of the 3.
 
OxycontinAnonymous said:
I quit granted it's been only two months but as a junky you know that means something, but i'm curious how many blue lighters were able to beat the demon.
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I quit using heroin (mostly insuffulated, I only IV'd heroin once I was beginning to separate myself from it) over 7 months ago, and I feel absolutely no craving, no desire to reuse. I would only do so once in a blue moon, I used once during spring break and it was proof to me I was truly over it.

I've always hated when people say that alcoholics can never have another drink once they quit - the fact is they can. If they do so and relapse, then they're weak minded or weak willed or truly did not care about themselves to stay sober.

The fact is, once you quit and you're over something, you should be able to not feel uncomfortable to use it again if you would like to. Personally, even if there was a bag of heroin right in front of me, I wouldn't use it. For one, I prefer buprenorphine's kappa antagonism and the fact that I am lowering my opiate tolerance, and still able to feel great during the day. Nothing like rushing off of IV heroin, but definitely a high nonetheless. It can be compared to the way people get "high" off of taking xanax; it's more of a subtle, relaxing, mild euphoric experience that lasts longer than the short lived, extreme euphoria and rush of heroin.

I was always about long duration when I used heroin, and that's why I snorted it; 6 to 8 hours of pure motivation. Heroin motivates me a lot more than buprenorphine, however while on buprenorphine I am still motivated for life and I am still able to do the things I want to.

Being able to access your endogenous endorphins along with mu-agonist/kappa-antagonist effects of buprenorphine is very pleasant. A few weeks ago I tapered down from 1mg 3x a day = 3mg/day to 0.5mg 3x a day = 1.5mg/day. When I halved my dose, I barely noticed the difference. In fact, I think it was more pleasant to do less.

I have also quit using any other drug I ever tried (except for weed, and that's not worth quitting %)); I never use alcohol or tobacco since I do not look forward to ever developing cancer, I have done my fair share of cocaine and never desired to do more (I kept doing it because it was free and right in front of my face), and any other drug I've used I managed to keep it to a sparingly sort of thing.
 
OxyMorph said:
I am almost 23 and have been using opiates (all kinds) since i was 14. One of my family members is a CP patient and i have been doing them ever since he got put on them. I have been a daily IV user (roxicodone) for over 5 years EVERY DAY! You don't know what the hell your talking about dude. i have never been to rehab or any of that shit. I can keep my use to a minimum every single day (30-45 mg's) and im not a complete fuck up like you seem to think every other opiate user is.
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Of course it's going to be easy if you have a free supply everyday. 8)

30mg after 5 years of daily use? Ok....
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I quit using heroin (mostly insuffulated, I only IV'd heroin once I was beginning to separate myself from it) over 7 months ago, and I feel absolutely no craving, no desire to reuse. I would only do so once in a blue moon, I used once during spring break and it was proof to me I was truly over it.

I've always hated when people say that alcoholics can never have another drink once they quit - the fact is they can. If they do so and relapse, then they're weak minded or weak willed or truly did not care about themselves to stay sober.

The fact is, once you quit and you're over something, you should be able to not feel uncomfortable to use it again if you would like to. Personally, even if there was a bag of heroin right in front of me, I wouldn't use it. For one, I prefer buprenorphine's kappa antagonism and the fact that I am lowering my opiate tolerance, and still able to feel great during the day. Nothing like rushing off of IV heroin, but definitely a high nonetheless. It can be compared to the way people get "high" off of taking xanax; it's more of a subtle, relaxing, mild euphoric experience that lasts longer than the short lived, extreme euphoria and rush of heroin.

I was always about long duration when I used heroin, and that's why I snorted it; 6 to 8 hours of pure motivation. Heroin motivates me a lot more than buprenorphine, however while on buprenorphine I am still motivated for life and I am still able to do the things I want to.

Being able to access your endogenous endorphins along with mu-agonist/kappa-antagonist effects of buprenorphine is very pleasant. A few weeks ago I tapered down from 1mg 3x a day = 3mg/day to 0.5mg 3x a day = 1.5mg/day. When I halved my dose, I barely noticed the difference. In fact, I think it was more pleasant to do less.

I have also quit using any other drug I ever tried (except for weed, and that's not worth quitting %)); I never use alcohol or tobacco since I do not look forward to ever developing cancer, I have done my fair share of cocaine and never desired to do more (I kept doing it because it was free and right in front of my face), and any other drug I've used I managed to keep it to a sparingly sort of thing.
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Dude you are getting high everyday i hate to tell you. My pupils still got small when i took subs. I didn't want to do heroin when i was on that shit either. Yes i am mistaken you can be successful with subs, but regardless you still have to live your life around a drug which i found sucked ass.
 
OverDriven said:
I'm happy for you, but I'm curious...why are you still here on this forum if you quit? This place is the worst place you can possibly put yourself when trying to stay off opiates IMO, except maybe an opium den.
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I understand where you are coming from, but reading stuff on this forum really doesn't effect my recovery. I am simply here to learn and to help others for the sake of harm reduction. Being on this forum doesn't spark my cravings one bit. Although, at one point it really did. When i decided to undergo suboxone maintenance it really changed that for me. I also realized that there are more important things to pursue in my life than a life of opiate addiction. Since then, i got a brand new car, a new bank account (i can't overdraw anymore :P), and many things that benefit my health...for example, I actually go to the doctor!! I got a new prescription for my glasses, I am more independent...You get the idea. I guess everyone is different but for me I don't let this forum overpower me. If anyone needs any motivation I am always around to talk. Thanks for listening!
 
OverDriven said:
I'm happy for you, but I'm curious...why are you still here on this forum if you quit? This place is the worst place you can possibly put yourself when trying to stay off opiates IMO, except maybe an opium den.
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you'd be surprised, a lot of people on this site are ex-opiate addicts! Hell, im an ex-opiate addict and look at me, Ive been clean (from recreational opiates) for over two years! ;)

although, this site does make me crave more than ever for opiates but i have a handle on it...for now..:\
 
well i am still on opioids i.e. buprenorphine, but i quit heroin nearly a full year ago, in fact, in a week, it will be a full year. the longest i've gone without heroin since i started using it. my life is much better overall now.
 
6 months and 8 days off everything (mostly a daily IV heroin habit + regular IV cocaine).
Go me.
 
I used heroin for a few years then I stopped. later in life, I sustained a back injury for which I am on Pain management. So, now I find myself, once again, dependant on an opioid substance and my tolerance is a lot higher than it ever was when i was using heroin. Its bound to get that way when you take a substance on a regular schedule as opposed to the street drug user's regimin of hit and miss scoring.

So, i did quit being a junkie. But, I'm not free of the dependance.
 
I didn't read many responses, but the title brought me. I wouldn't have considered myself a junkie, but I did have some addiction problems. I know how hard that was and I can't even imagine what you guys went/goin threw. Congradulations to everyone who has, and good luck to everyone who hasn't. We all know its not easy, but do you want to be just another statistic?
 
I was able to do it and were talking over a decade doing dope and 6 years of MMT. Last opiate was MMT a year ago last february. I think I'm probably one of the few to have successfuly tapered off MMT on this board. 135mg at peak dose. Most people I know that quit all opiates jumped off and started using another opiate which they ended up kicking. I'm sure that most people are going on suboxone instead of MMT now that it is in widespread use. Its doable. If I could do it, spineless dope fiend that I was anyone can do it.
 
Had an IV habit, not incredibly high but a habit nonetheless. Not on BMT, or MMT, 3+ years clean. I used fentanyl once during this period. It can be done.
 
I have two weeks today. Been doing tar IV for three years so it was tough. I didn't really quit though, just had to move to San Diego and don't know anyone here yet.

The fucked up part is that I can't wait for the next time I get to use. I've been homeless, got Hep C, and all sorts of other consequences but none of that makes me want to stop for good.
 
Jaytee said:
I have two weeks today. Been doing tar IV for three years so it was tough. I didn't really quit though, just had to move to San Diego and don't know anyone here yet.

The fucked up part is that I can't wait for the next time I get to use. I've been homeless, got Hep C, and all sorts of other consequences but none of that makes me want to stop for good.
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Damn, how was it comin off 3 years of that shit? Withdrawal wise? Did ya go cold turkey?
 
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