Harm Reduction How many IV Lighters use Micron filters?

[DeLee]

i think the politics in Sweden are much better than the U.S. I mean, shit, doesnt Sweden have one of the smalles suicide rates in the world. they must be doing something right.

I might have exagurated a bit, it ain't that bad. Free Subutex/Suboxone from the maintance program ain't that bad for an example.
But on the other hand its really hard to catch a spot in the programs... there can be like a 3 year waitinglist. And when its your chance to get a spot the doc's might turn you down but that only happens when youve gotten yourself hooked on Bupe from the streets or have a light kodein/tramadol/Kratom habit.

Its just the needle exchange program i wish should be in every city..
Almost every IV druguser has Hep C - on the other hand we don't have that much HIV problems in the IV league.

I have no clue on the suicide rate. Another thing that was pretty nasty was when our mentalfacilities got closed down in the -90's and all the mentally ill came out in society.. they stand for a large portion of our homeless drug addicts and alcoholics. Its sad really.

 

[jazzyhope]

I ALWAYS use micron filters. They are just getting hard to find in the US. Especially the ones that come in sealed sterile packaging. They sell for 4-5 bucks at gpz and this place does not have any atm. I could not pay more than $4 because I expect your shipping would be expensive and slow to the us??? Lemme know though.

 

[BIGsherm7272]

so lets say in theory you only use your micron filter once (as you should), and they cost $5 each. If you do 5 shots in a day, that is $25 a day and over $700 a month. So it would cost you $8400 a year to use micron filters. That leads me to the conclusion that the only feasible way to use micron filters would be to prep several days worth of solution at once.

 

[jamesBrown]

so lets say in theory you only use your micron filter once (as you should), and they cost $5 each. If you do 5 shots in a day, that is $25 a day and over $700 a month. So it would cost you $8400 a year to use micron filters. That leads me to the conclusion that the only feasible way to use micron filters would be to prep several days worth of solution at once.

Exactly, just like Captain Heroin does it. You just need to use anti-bacterial water to help preserve the solution.

 

[jamesBrown]

I might have exagurated a bit, it ain't that bad. Free Subutex/Suboxone from the maintance program ain't that bad for an example.
But on the other hand its really hard to catch a spot in the programs... there can be like a 3 year waitinglist. And when its your chance to get a spot the doc's might turn you down but that only happens when youve gotten yourself hooked on Bupe from the streets or have a light kodein/tramadol/Kratom habit.

Its just the needle exchange program i wish should be in every city..
Almost every IV druguser has Hep C - on the other hand we don't have that much HIV problems in the IV league.

I have no clue on the suicide rate. Another thing that was pretty nasty was when our mentalfacilities got closed down in the -90's and all the mentally ill came out in society.. they stand for a large portion of our homeless drug addicts and alcoholics. Its sad really.

You think thats bad? I live in an entire STATE of 268,000 square miles(second biggest state in U.S.) that has chosen to make needle exchange programs illegal. I have to drive for hours and hours to even find one needle exchange.
You wouldnt believe how many times the average person uses a needle where I live. Honestly, most addicts have one needle they carry around with them nd use several times a day......they kep this needle for weeks until it breaks or they lose it, and then they go and try to score another needle somehow......if your a guy, you probably steal one from somebody, if your a girl, your probably suck a dick to get one. And im not kidding. Its pathetic how blind our government is to the benefits of harm reducing facilities/policies.

 

[SkagKush]

my subs are also white here in canada

 

[jamesBrown]

Atleast you Canadians have access to needle exchanges, eh.

 

[Sublimit]

Im not quite sure if your being sarcastic or funny or what. Sry, im not good at reading peoples "tones" over the internet. Anyway....if for some reason you were serious about "who the fuck are man u!"......they are one of the best EPL teams to ever step on a field. Ever heard of Wayne Rooney, Gary Neville? Anyway, im sure you know what Man United is.

I use to follow Arsenal for many many years.....I was a big Thierry Henry fan.

Sry...waaaay off topic...anyway, how much are you gonna sell the micron filters for anyway?

When you sau man u i instantly know your from the states... or maybe Asia. its acctually concided quite annying by Mancunian United fans... fans from Manchester because it was used by the scousers and even arsenal fans would refer to us as manure.

The parts i hiligted in bold are just brif things i wanted to point out because as you say off topic and i need to get through a lot of things with little time, but i guess you could say i was being a bit of both on the first bold. Years ago scousers(liverpool fans) started a "who the fuck are Man United?" chant and since we won our first league since the 60's and from 94 we've gone from 8 leagues to equal liverpools 18 league wins, who were dominating in the 70.s and 80.s.
in 20 years liverpool have won fuck all leagues and we've won 10. so now we both have 18 tied as the most league winners in english football, something liverpool fans at the time would of though impossible. well slowly that very chant has been altered by match going United fans over the years and has become a regular sung song for years... iff you pay attention you'll here United fans sing who the fuck are man united!x3 and the reds go marching on on on! do you see the alteration in the chant? who the fuck are Man United! as opposed to ? so because of our prolonged success and the context in which it was created make it both ironic and funny as you sayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9J1zXzd8E

i don't understand how you could have a love for a club and feel so passionate about Henry, who was an arsenal all time great that lead the Gooners to trophy's. let me guess; you've been following arsenal since 2001 then switched to United around 2007-8? glory hunter no seriously i don't know how one could change teams, especially being arch rivals ATT, I know people who do it but don't understand it. PM me if you feel like talking more

The micron filters i haven't decided on yet there are a few factor that i'll sort out this week but am still looking for all the advise i can get in terms of best way to go about the whole process of online selling, whether i can make it a full on-line NSP and post syringes etc,


I know most of the post is off topic but being the OP i guess i can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2w9bnSYJ04 Ronaldo goal away at Fulham listn to the 5 thousand United fans sing "we shall not be moved"

will start getting through some of the reply as i'm taking this on as a personal challenge, a hobby

 

[Sublimit]

Actually I have never used a micron filter - I have thought about ordering some for a long time when I was still injecting drugs but never did.
Its our politics in Sweden that are screwed, I would llove to work with people that need sterile syringes, needles, cooking cups, good filters, micron filters but how the politics are i doubt this will happen.

I know a girl at an NSP/community centre in the city and we've become friends, she's told me all bout her struggles with the government over funding, working conditions, i know they have a little department that deals with issues about the government not willing to compromise on, but she' says that they are heard and there as been some positive outcomes.

They basically show the government a structure and the government gives them funding, but they also have to self sustain and she has told me that its possible that the MF's might go up from $1 to $1.40 Australian, they've had meetings about it but its not certain.... most other NSP sell for 1,40. We had coffee last week because before i went into rehab i had asked her if i could order in a whole box... she said she'd find out. when i saw her she said that i can have as many as i can but there's no bulk discount because that is what it costs them.... the Australian gov. actually gets them for 4.5-4.6 aus dollars plus shipping i worked it out pretty roughly cause i don't know what they pay for shipping and the AUS to US$ is .86c?

but anyway i'd be happy to see if i can get any information on their structure and relationship with the gov and maybe that will give you inspiration and a base to go off. whats the health system like in Sweden? are there any government community centres that do counselling or blood tests?

 

[Sublimit]

I ALWAYS use micron filters. They are just getting hard to find in the US. Especially the ones that come in sealed sterile packaging. They sell for 4-5 bucks at gpz and this place does not have any atm. I could not pay more than $4 because I expect your shipping would be expensive and slow to the us??? Lemme know though.

I've heard that shipping isn't that much on E bay. but i'm not sure to go on ebay or use something like gumtree...

as u can see the ones i get are sealed and are one of the highest quality ones. don't worry i;m not going to charge 4 bucks per filter anyway. I have access to barrelles and needle tips all sealed and in all gauges sterile water. basically what u see in the pics but 3 4 times more variety... i'm going shopping next week and will put some pics up
just wondering whether go for a full NSP as opposed to just selling wheel filters.
I'd practically give away other equipment to cover the shipping fee or something??? have no idea yet, but my brother has ebay experience and he;s gonna help me next week

 

[jamesBrown]

I've heard that shipping isn't that much on E bay. but i'm not sure to go on ebay or use something like gumtree...

as u can see the ones i get are sealed and are one of the highest quality ones. don't worry i;m not going to charge 4 bucks per filter anyway. I have access to barrelles and needle tips all sealed and in all gauges sterile water. basically what u see in the pics but 3 4 times more variety... i'm going shopping next week and will put some pics up
just wondering whether go for a full NSP as opposed to just selling wheel filters.
I'd practically give away other equipment to cover the shipping fee or something??? have no idea yet, but my brother has ebay experience and he;s gonna help me next week

Why are you planning on using a website such as eBay to sell your products? Is your main goal to help people who need access to these supplies(harm reduction), or are you mainly tring to start a "mini-business" through which you try to make a decent profit, and expand your "company", etc...? Im not juding you or anything im just wondering.

Cuz CaptainHeroin offered to get me some micron filters, needles, supplies, etc...and he just told me all I needed to do was tell him exactly what I wanted and to send him the money somehow and he would send me the shit through the mail. Maybe im being a bit naieve, but why do you need to use an online business such as eBay to help you sell filters an supplies? Why not just take orders from people, get there information, and send it to them in the mail? The answer is probably obvious and when you tell me ill feel stupid for asking but where does eBay come into this situation?....meaning, what "function" does it have in regards to you sending harm reduction supplies to people?

Is it solely for the purpose of using paypal? or something else?

 

[Sublimit]

so lets say in theory you only use your micron filter once (as you should), and they cost $5 each. If you do 5 shots in a day, that is $25 a day and over $700 a month. So it would cost you $8400 a year to use micron filters. That leads me to the conclusion that the only feasible way to use micron filters would be to prep several days worth of solution at once.

No, in theory that doesn't make it logical does it? I mean CH is doing it the safest way by using a filter to its capacity to do a lot of filtering at once.... thats easy if you get some Bwarter and are able to store opiates in your fridge.

Myself personally have used a filter 1.2.3 times a day for 2 days someydays 3
in the above picture you cab see that the used filter is completely sealed by the neddle/cap and the 3ml barrel both sterile in the sense that the filter has been used but is enclosed in sterility and kept in the fridge hidden in the crisper

ok its not ideal, but is only when necessary, when i'm low and being conservative. I do think with this method that its perfectly safe to to reuse a filter over the space of a day several times. A tip would be to pre filter on a spoon with cotton if using something like ms and OC;s before running it through a MF.

So no not necessarily i'm a recovering H addict and the amount of self respect i didn't have for myself was unbelievable, i never shared equipment, didn't get Hep C but about 4 months ago i run out of my monthly ocy script way early, i was dope sick for 3 days and then i finally gave in and tried lining up an OC from a connect, she said maybe later and all i thought was fuck it i'm that sick i'm gettin H I \honestly thought she wouldn't come through for me but because i left so late i ended up taking a 1 month old filter that was sitting in a bag in a cupboard that had probably been used a few times plus 2 rinsed out barrels and finally i had to fish through my attached used bag of barrels and find a needle that had been flushed after use and pick the best looking one it was a sunday night and it's impossible to get anything apart from 1ml therm's. on the way in i get a call from her saying she picked up and i was virtually right near her. so in 15 mins i hooked up with her got 3 OC 80;s first thing i did was go to a station toilet to use, which i seldom ever did, used tap water(our water is pretty good) flushed out the filter again, swabbed an 80 and pulled out a bag from my inside jacket pocket with 2 spoons and some cotton, my knees were shaking and nearly lost it by trying to crush the 80. i ended up running 1.2 ml through the micron into the mix and stirring and using a fair amount of heat, which i almost avoid now. did a rewash with a few drops out of the MF and was one of the best OC times i;ve had,but it made me feel dirty and desperate. i should have just chewed it thr\e rush is as good as IV but just delayed 45 mins and a little more subtle

yeah sorry to ramble on about one of my darker days, but i've continued to have fine LFT kidney's etc and using that old filter and syringe game me m\no problems, i guess i'm luck and so may times i've taken that kind of thing for granted,,,,, health and BL is HM an I hope to do u guys a favor

 

[sweetstufflover]

-buy 20-30 filters at once
-build your filter rigs, syringe->micron filter-->needle
-with your filter rig, squirt your solution into a fresh syringe (plunger pulled back)
-use the filter rig for 2-3 days, then get rid of it and use a new one

Works very well. Don't worry about bacteriostatic water and all that stuff... don't prepare your shots/solutions in advance. Don't prepare 30 OC's or whatever you want to prepare only to need just one micron filter. Just prepare your shots when you need them, and filter with your micron filter rig. After 2-3 days, throw the filter rig away and build a new one. That's the safest, most economic and logic way to use micron filters as a morphinist (a.k.a. junkie).

 

[Sublimit]

Why are you planning on using a website such as eBay to sell your products? Is your main goal to help people who need access to these supplies(harm reduction), or are you mainly tring to start a "mini-business" through which you try to make a decent profit, and expand your "company", etc...? Im not juding you or anything im just wondering.

Cuz CaptainHeroin offered to get me some micron filters, needles, supplies, etc...and he just told me all I needed to do was tell him exactly what I wanted and to send him the money somehow and he would send me the shit through the mail. Maybe im being a bit naieve, but why do you need to use an online business such as eBay to help you sell filters an supplies? Why not just take orders from people, get there information, and send it to them in the mail? The answer is probably obvious and when you tell me ill feel stupid for asking but where does eBay come into this situation?....meaning, what "function" does it have in regards to you sending harm reduction supplies to people?

Is it solely for the purpose of using paypal? or something else?

well someone just PM's me with an order and said is it ok if i pay by paypal. i replied i don't know what that is? like i've been saying in virtually every post in this thread... i don't have the slightest idea about on-line selling. I've only heard of E-bay like most people and i was only saying it in a hypothetical sense because i don't know how this is going to work yet and i;m trying to brainstorm and ask for advise. you've mis read my post i never planned to sell anything on e-bay. my brother said there could be a problem with ebay regarding the fact that i won;t be able to get any receipts when i buy these filters

Another BL'r PM'd me and suggested selling on a private bored such as Craigslist, which i had never heard off\, but i'm aware of gumtree and it's like the same. this BL'r had said that he had sold them there before but not to show pics of barrels needles but MF were ok.

Look dude you've just gave me advice on a concept that i didn't think of... well i did but wouldn't there be trust issues with that, look I;m not sure if you've read my posts in this thread or if you've simply miss interoperated my intentions which are to provide a service thats not just for BL's but for anyone into harm reduction. I'm sure i could set up private transactions via BL. I'd have no problem with that, but i want to be able to have a structure and a base so that everything is presented and things on my end are kept basic. the advise a BL'r gave me sounded like little hassle and easy. Like i said i appreciate your advise but you pigeon-holed me.... and completely taken my ebay quote out of context. read my recent posts in this thread and you'll get an idea of my intentions and what i want to achieve and why i want to achieve it

 

[jamesBrown]

well someone just PM's me with an order and said is it ok if i pay by paypal. i replied i don't know what that is? like i've been saying in virtually every post in this thread... i don't have the slightest idea about on-line selling. I've only heard of E-bay like most people and i was only saying it in a hypothetical sense because i don't know how this is going to work yet and i;m trying to brainstorm and ask for advise. you've mis read my post i never planned to sell anything on e-bay. my brother said there could be a problem with ebay regarding the fact that i won;t be able to get any receipts when i buy these filters

Another BL'r PM'd me and suggested selling on a private bored such as Craigslist, which i had never heard off\, but i'm aware of gumtree and it's like the same. this BL'r had said that he had sold them there before but not to show pics of barrels needles but MF were ok.

Look dude you've just gave me advice on a concept that i didn't think of... well i did but wouldn't there be trust issues with that, look I;m not sure if you've read my posts in this thread or if you've simply miss interoperated my intentions which are to provide a service thats not just for BL's but for anyone into harm reduction. I'm sure i could set up private transactions via BL. I'd have no problem with that, but i want to be able to have a structure and a base so that everything is presented and things on my end are kept basic. the advise a BL'r gave me sounded like little hassle and easy. Like i said i appreciate your advise but you pigeon-holed me.... and completely taken my ebay quote out of context. read my recent posts in this thread and you'll get an idea of my intentions and what i want to achieve and why i want to achieve it

I think you misunderstood my post. I wasnt in any way trying to assume what your intentions were, or what your exact plans were. i was simply confused and was asking questions. I didnt mean to offend you or anything, cuz it sounds like ive pissed you off somehow. I just saw you talking about eBay and was wondering if you were planning on using that website or not, and for what reasons. I was simply curious, as I have never known anyone to help people like you are trying to do over the internet so im interested in how its gonna work. thats all. I really dont know what you mean by saying that i "pigeon-holed" you. I was jsut trying to understand what your plans were I guess is a general way to put it....because as i said before, i would be the first person to buy stuff from you. im sry if you misinterpreted my post.
One of the main reasons as to why i am so curious as to how its going to work is because i want to be one of your customers, thats all. but now i understand better that you are still not sure as yo what exactly you are going to do. i didnt mean to upset you, i just was curious as to what you were intending on doing so i could prepare to the best of my abilities to purchase some items.....because, like i also said earlier, i dont have a bank account and only have cash pretty much. no debit card, no credit card, nothing.....so i was just trying to figure out how i could make this work from my point of view.

I have read all of your posts in this thread, and yet i was still confused obviously, thats why i was asking some more questions. I apologize ig for some reason you thought i was trying to be rude or whatever you thought but i can promise you that was never my intention.

I guess ill just have to wait until you figure things out a little more on your end and post more about how your gonna operate. i understand these thigns take time and plannng etc....i have no problem waiting, i just thought that you might be able to give me a little more insight into your plans that could help me purchase something from you in the future. thats all

once again, sry....

 

[Sublimit]

Why are you planning on using a website such as eBay to sell your products?

I never said i was planning to use E-bay. so you miss read my post

The answer is probably obvious and when you tell me ill feel stupid for asking but where does eBay come into this situation?....meaning, what "function" does it have in regards to you sending harm reduction supplies to people?

you obviously hadn't read any other of my posts in this thread as if you did you would know that i am as oblivious as you when it comes to on line selling and your asking me all these questions that come across quite sharp. So where does e-bay come into the situation? i can only assume. i'd imagine i'd be selling wheel filters.... again, if you take my advise and re read my posts you'll actually realise e-bay is my least preferred choice and was only referring to it as an example.... because everybody knows what ebay is for and if you understood the context that was relevant to my post and this thread then you would,'t feel stupid for asking where does ebay come into this situation.

How could i have misunderstood your post when you asked me why have i decided to use E Bay? and then follow on with what relevance ebay has with this thread?

you don't have to be sorry either i just found it a bit misinformed and a bit intrusive. I mean i thought you could of maybe been a bit more subtle and maybe i overreacted.... i think we'll hopefully meet in the middle on this one and concede to each other and move on. you and I will be very interested in the outcome of this i'm sure fellow United fan

 

[jamesBrown]

like i said....i was confused, thats why i was asking those questions. once again, i apologize if you have some issue with that. jsut trying to understand whats goin on. thats all. no need to get offended.

 

[Sublimit]

like i said....i was confused, thats why i was asking those questions. once again, i apologize if you have some issue with that. jsut trying to understand whats goin on. thats all. no need to get offended.

I know i'm sorry too. i've been up all night. and now its lunch time. i'm going to get something to eat and crash for a few, i don't think i would of normally reacted like that if i hadn't had 10 cups of coffee, no hard feelings mate

 

[jamesBrown]

oh thats right, you live in australia. is it actually daytime there? its like 8:30 where I am.

 

[Sublimit]

oh thats right, you live in australia. is it actually daytime there? its like 8:30 where I am.

yeah well it was when i last posted. I think the Sunderland United match started around midnight melb time and i stayed up posting on BL and drinking coffee. I forgot to mention that i was a little pissed of with United drawing and that could've made me a little sharp too, I think i already assumed with the Man U thing that you were from the states... where do you hail from JB?


i didn't have a chance to go to the NSP today but i'm defiantly going tomorrow(Tuesday). 100% i want to get a hundred but will probably just get 50 for now. like i said i should have some basic structured online NSP shop going by the end of the week, but once i get some filters i can that responding to some of my BL PM orders as i'm happy to do that.

I'm not going to use E-bay, It's either going to be a private board like gumtree or craigslist.... or exclusively a BL service.... I could to both because i;m reading up on the private boards rules and seeing whats what

will update this thread as it progresses and could even make some private transactions with fellow BL within 24 hours... so anyone don't be afraid to PM me

will decide on a price once i buy the filters and talk to my brother and local post office about shipping