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How many actually like Techno? How many tolerate it?

I like to think that I can appreciate most forms of music. I love techno/psy/acid, I like alternative rock, I love good quality hip-hop, I like classical, jazz, blues, rock etc...
I hang lighthearted shit on NRG because to me it doesn't make sense. In the words of Simon Coyle "it's drug music", but I respect people who listen to it, and as long as it's not on my dancefloor I couldn't give a R.A. about it.
The guy that posted this post (fucked if I remember his name) was just being a wanker. "I can make techno on my computer". OK then wiseguy, go and make something good and make a million dollars like Jeff Mills, Adam Beyer or one of the other masters who make it their careers.
I don't like, nor understand NRG, but I understand that the people that make it, or play it, have talent and do what they do well.
Get my point?
Oh, and P.S. - Go and fuck yourself CrazyAustralian.
 
2 words, happy hardcore.
/me takes time machine back to 1991
hehe, jk. felt like adding nothing constructive to this thread
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hey psyentist!
stop swearing so much!
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your comments would be good if you wasnt so rudy!
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i understand where you and Dan are coming from!
it might sound like someones dissing your passion...
dont let people you concider wankers,piss you off so much!
if the person is such a wanker.Why do you stoop lower than him?
and NiQ3lord,sorry for calling you a wanker!
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i was just explaining a situation!
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Everyone read this message!
There's too much arguing and not enough discussion going on here! If I see another post giving crap to anyone else I'm gonna close this thread. Normally I'd just tell you guys to take it easy, but with the server the way it is now I'm not gonna let crap like this add to the strain. Keep it civil ok!?
Now for my response to NiQu3LorD...
Yes I go to raves for the music, started going b4 I even knew about drugs, still go without drugs sometimes. For me the music comes first, then the people, the drugs are just a bonus...
On the topic of music production, others have already said its not as simple as you seem to think. I'm an amature producer and I know how much effort goes into making a track, and even after putting all that effort in they're still not up to the standard of professional producers... It is not that simple...
Secondly, the same thing could be said about HipHop if you don't think about what you're saying... The uneducated view of techno is that it's all just pushing a few buttons on a computer and voila! you've got a track... HipHop could be considered nothing more than some guy singing the same old lyrics over someone else's back beat... We both know there's more to it than that tho, so I hope you get the message that techno isn't just about pushing a few buttons
Thirdly, lyrics don't make a track good, and bad lyrics, the kind which a lot of top 40 music contains, will make a track very very trashy...
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I could go on and on about this thread, but I'm not going to waste everyone's time.
Personally I love techno. It would have to be one of my favourite styles of music, but I also like hip hop along with a lot of different styles of music.
Even though I don't dj or produce any music (unless you count my fucking around experiences on the computer) I do however know that it's not easy to produce a good techno track. So I guess that was a stupid comment to make, but no matter what we may all think, we are entitled to our own opinions if we like it or not.
 
Chaos, *giggling* you crack me up
As for the rest of you, jezus ...... not this again *shakes head*, i'm experiencing deja vu here *grin*
well, i reckon technos brilliant but i don't know anything about it really, but thats cause i'm from brisbane and we don't get a lot of it at our raves, ... actually i love a lot of different kinds of music including my beloved uni indie music .....
Totally agree with you daq, but hey mate, whats wrong with trance *takes a swipe at daqs head* you better watch it
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trance is sacred!!! *grin*
*sighs* love trance ...... oh sorry techno thread, um yeah, im going now .......
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Sup'in da crib brotha??
Sorry . . . had to say it
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I'm ashamed to admit it but before i found house, techno, trance, hardcorem, drum & bass, i listened predominantly to r&b and hip hop (prolly because that's what most my old friends listened to), but since i've found my new calling i've never looked back.
I no longer own a single cd from the hip hop genre and often cringe when i hear such uh 'music'.
Everyone else had their little bitch, so let me have mine.
- 95% of hip hop lyrics, tunes, music is ripped off from classics hence making it the most unoriginal genre that exists.
- it's monotonous, uninspired, and piece of piss to put together (any guy off the street can rap in to a microphone about his posse while some bitch in the background moans and hums)
- the content of 'songs' are ALWAYS about the folllowing: money (to buy fly rides and gold rolexes, sex (with bitches with big butts) and violence (bustin someones cap)
And can i also perhaps take a swipe at the associated scene here??? It's a reflection of the 'music'; pretentious, production line, cold. And i know because i wasted the first year of my clubbing age going to hip hop clubs.
I absolutely love techno and alot of other music, from other genres, i tolerate most music actually, one thing i cannot stand and refuse (tho accept) understand how people can enjoy is hip hop/rap etc. Maybe if the fucking lyrics had meaning i could but stuff like this "i don't give a fuck about my man tonight, coz the club is full of ballers and they pockets full grown" ('jumpin jumpin'- destinys child) How can you respect this??
THIS MUSIC INVOLVES NO TALENT OR IMAGINATION.
OK IF YOU LIKE IT. I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY. ALSO I'M OPEN TO SEE PROOF OF TALENT.
As for techno etc, i don't need to plug it, recite the qualities . . . and if you are only half hearted in liking it then why bother.
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*sunflower* it's that troublemaker wog Decimal Dan who started it - he's a pain and I've asked the Admins repeatedly to ban him - but I think he pays them off
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I found the last post by Abby extremely disturbing. Some of the things you said are just plain WRONG.
Obviously you never really liked hip hop and even more obviously you never truly understood it.
You state that most hip hop is ripped off from classics. ALL MUSIC IS BASED ON THE MUSIC THAT HAS COME BEFORE IT. Otherwise what basis would people work from. Sure artists like Ice Cube, Snoop, Cypress Hill etc etc rip off alot of their shit. These artists are not a fair reflection of hip hop. Basing your view of hip hop on these kinds of artists (which i belive most of you have) is like basing your opinion of drum n bass on the fact you heard "Freestyler" by the Bumfuck MC's.
I really cant be bothered typing a response
Instead i will let ZION I, one of the best hip hop groups in the world demonstrate how hip hop can be so much more than guns, bitches and drugs.
The metaphorical, mathematical word science
Lyrical compounds react plus minus
Earth's finest, I represented on Venus
Girl gotta be pregnant so now she got my fears
Good God Jesus
Let me lace up my Adidas
My crew spread like AIDS you just can't see us
Subterranean, memories keep on fadin' in
Of when I was a king in Medittereanian
Landscapes greet time for ?
And chill while rain drops splatter on glass lakes
Reactions powerful poetic fraction
Let's grip and leave trails like acid trips
I diagnose
If you need a larger dose
Flows that pharaoh knows will leave you comatose
Like Nesa, the pyramid rhyme pleaser
I verbalize with the wild type demeanor
And speak wit
Archaic souls of the O
Times when our minds used to shine beautiful
[Hook]
It's like begin, world spin, then
You fly we fly in
Time is comin'
Ill I still will chill feels
Like blessin'
Rockin' not top charts hip hop plots
Tick tock clock domes stop
I still will chill feel
I just need some elevation (echo)
[Verse 2]
Yo, yo bust it
The spirit warrior I creep up in your mind corridor
And tell my name leave your brain in euphoria
Type color brothers cloaked in camouflages
I'm rugged and tough like them old school Dodgers
With the meaning like mesonic lodges
And even though we divine remain monstrous
So who your God is
Yo I'm just an artist
Walk with a torch navigate though the forests
Lookin' for sanctuary the legendary
The tree of life I'm my only adversary
And who we friend is a pen I begin
Creatin' conversation no time to play pretend
? most high we all gotta die
I'll take the higher path cause it's only I-N-I
Though money's like tryin' to fly without a sky
It makes me ask the question what's the reason why?
Hook
Need some more elevation. I need some elevation. Give me elevation.
[Verse 3]
I always plan to win, when I enter into something
The Zion I crew keep your spirit jumpin'
The mic is plugged in turn table set
Commence to bombin' like a Vietnam vet
My dialect is set to erect
Palace
When I can sip upon a chalice
And reminisce upon the sweetness of this
Experience my inner world total bliss
I will image a realm without the dragon (say what?)
I be designed to keep your dream laggin'
And deferred
My word is heard
To consume the room like clouds of herb
We bless your chest with the ill introspection
And manifest use your spirit as a weapon
if get the chance listen to these guys.
One final point. HIP HOP IS NOT ONLY AMERICAN. French hip hop with the likes of IAM, Rocca etc is some of the best on the planet. And check out your local talent its just as good.
I find that quite often when people begin to take part in "rave" culture they become embarassed by their previous "identities." They renounce everything else in the belief that they have found perfection in a social/musical sense. Quite often judgemnets become clouded in a haze of MDMA, I have only just begun to rediscover hip hop and other styles of music I left behind when i started raving. Too often I hear sentiments from fellow "ravers" like the ones echoed above. Guess what i want to say is that even though all this time/reality distorting psychadelic music can open certain doors it also closes many others.
 
You're right.
I never really liked hip hop.
It was just a stepping stone to finding out what i do like.
And to an extent you are right, in that i was making my generalisations on mainstream hip hop, which is talentless.
I suppose when people make generalisations about 'dance' it's because they are judging mainstream 'dance' ie. venga boys 'lets dance, lets have a party'
So yes i accept your point.
And yes, mdma does open new doors but it doesn't close others, it just lets you see things as they really were, and so you may choose to close them.
I've opened so many more doors than i've closed. I used to boycott anything that wasn't hip hop, because i thought i was dedicated to it, instead i was blind, now i listen to so many genres because now i see the beauty and talent in them.
I find beauty in sounds, and the sounds of a persons voice rapping over beats is not beatiful to me. Whereas i find digital music appeals to my ears. And when i'm straight aswell ok.
So i'm sorry but i do not see the beauty in talent in hip hop, you obviously do, so perhaps i am in fact disadvantaged.
So let it then be.
Also don't label me as a raver. I'm so much more. And my judgements aren't clouded in a haze of mdma . . . in fact things have never been so clear.
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Haste: I don't pay the admins off. Haven't you ever heard of The Mafia???
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Doc: Agree with you 100%. Though I don't think MDMA has a shread of importance here. Some people are just completely one-eyed and don't accept ANY other genres of music. MDMA enhanced or otherwise.
I also like many types of music and respect the production elements and creativeness that come with them all - electronica happens to be my favourite.
Mass-produced, commercial music will ALWAYS suck, because the main reason for its incarnation is not art, it's money...
And, EVERYONE, the nerd who started this thread was talking about electronica when he said "techno", so we're not talking about Techno as a sub-genre, mmmmkay?
So please - get off my back about me getting "defensive" about my "beloved Techno". You'll find that a lot of Techno Purists are like me - extremely passionate about their music...
Toodles.
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Whoa! you guys have been busy with the flames, but really I expected that.
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hiphop is the culture, rap is the art.
saying hiphop is an american culture is like saying techno/electonica is a strictly wog genre. as dr rico yi said, there are other international groups like IAM and others from parts of asia and europe (france mainly).
I'm standing by my opinion that electronica is relatively easy to produce.
Rebirth, sound forge, sonic foundry, AXS, Buzz, fruity Loops, Trackers, samples are all tools which make the process pretty easy. Any one of you could make a progressive piece in a few hours, it won't be world standard of course, but for a first try, itll be much easier than together an orchestrial symphony or writing well thought out lyrics.
And on that note, no I don't think a rap track would be much easier to make, and I really don't see the logic behind the statement when hiphop artists use a lot of the effects electronic music uses, less the big beat & bass + Lyrics; and then they have to form the two together WELL.
haha Anyway, some of you guys & girls really are touchy - but everyone gets that way when you diss their music.
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Also, something I didn't mention in the origional post, was that Techno, Trance, Acid, abmient, rave/big beat were my second pick for music. I was simply statting that electronica was not the main reason I rocked into raves. but I fuken love Techno on MDMA and drugs, probably better than hiphop.
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Decimal: heh the people who know me will tell you I'm no where close to nerdy man. never have been. If you want to find out the hard way, let it be.
Anyway nuff bitchin' snapperheads.
aurevoir.
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"I was simply statting that electronica was not the main reason I rocked into raves."
Then you're in it for the wrong reason totally. Do us a favor, stay home and listen to your rap (which is eay as fuck to write - anyone can do it)
Smacked my bitch....
Chillin wiv da boyz....
I so much gold...
I'm a crazy azz nigga...
Mi uzi weighs a tonne...
(some dude in the background) Word!
Smacked my bitch again...
Smokin on some cronic...
I'll beat your azz down...
Wow...anyone can write this shit (dude in the background pipes up again) Word!
 
OK, I have come into this fairly late, but I think that Decimal Dan and Psyentist were treated kind of harshly.
I think the point that they were both trying to get across is, that if this guys doesnt like the music, then WTF is he doing at raves and parties etc?
I am a strong believer that it should be about the music and the people, not about the drugs, and to me, this guy is saying that he tolerates the music, just so that he can take drugs in a scene where it is accepted.
I could be completely wrong here, and I apologise if I am. Not trying to flame anyone here, so please dont take it the wrong way, I just think that it should, in the end, come down to the music. If you dont like electronica, then go to a club, bar etc. to take your drugs, and listen to the music that you do like.
Luv Voodoo
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Why does the level of difficulty in writing a piece of music have any effect what so ever on the worth of that piece of music? I've seen this arguement put foward many times throughout this thread and it just isnt valid. Whether one style or another is more difficult to produce shouldnt make that style better.
Psyentist you are a prime example of what i reffered to previously. I wouldnt try to judge techno without at least knowing something about it (right now ive only ever seen Jeff Mills so i wont comment)..anyway please, hip hop is not all about guns, drugs and bitches and to generalise in this manner is to be more of a moron than the person who started this thread.
 
dr rico...Posting once makes your point..Posting multiple times classes you as *insert what you will*.
Sheeesh we can read you know...
To be fair to all, all the electonica genres have their good and bad. Punto. Stop. But to say that it takes "intelligence" to write the lyrics is total crap. Sure some lyrics are great and have meanings far beyond the face value presented. But to sweepingly generalise to say that to create a track that has lyrics and music is much harder I think is ludicrous.
We all know "raves" are full of drugs and to many the sole reason to go is to indulge in them but love of the music (and this means techno, trance, acid, dnb) should be one of the driving forces together with the desire to socialise with people and the vibe. I don't see metal heads going to the concerts, etc just so they can get their drug fix! They love their music and good on 'em for not being scared to say so!
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