I was taking 300mg codeine phosphateto get moderately high before going on bupe 16mg. How long would I have to wait after taking bupe before I could take codeine to have an effect? I'm thinking of codeine for a comedown off coke, the amount of bupe I take doesn't give me any real 'feel good factor'
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How long after taking bupe for codeine to kick in?
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codeine is pretty weak, in fact it's one of the weakest opiates aside from the fact that it metabolized into morphine, but if your on 16 mg of bupernorphine a day( Please tell me you didn't go on bupe to get OFF codeine, cause that would be like shooting yourself in the foot cause you have a toe infection, Horrible idea)
anyways 16 mg of bupe a day, you've got at the LEAST 3 days before you can feel the codeine and probably more like 4-5 days to get full effects realistically any earlier and your just wasting it, and again I really hope you didn't get on BUPE to get off Codeine because the bupe WD are waaay worse and much much longer lasting than any WD you'd get off of codeine.,
anyways stay safe
anyways 16 mg of bupe a day, you've got at the LEAST 3 days before you can feel the codeine and probably more like 4-5 days to get full effects realistically any earlier and your just wasting it, and again I really hope you didn't get on BUPE to get off Codeine because the bupe WD are waaay worse and much much longer lasting than any WD you'd get off of codeine.,
anyways stay safe
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
The answer would be weeks to months in my guess.
16mg of suboxone is a absurd amount for a 300mg codeine habit.
According to the calculator I just checked 16mg of suboxone is = to 8000mg of codeine.
Not sure how accurate the calculator is but that sounds pretty close.
To be honest your tolerance has likely gone through the roof.
Your most likely never going to get high from codeine again without at least months & months of abstinence.
Perhaps even longer depending on your system.
Sorry to break the news to you, but you got on way to much sub for your habit.
Hell 300mg of codeine is like 30mg of oxycodone for example.
When my tolerance was at that level I could take .125mg of suboxone & be fine.
That's 1/64th of a 8mg suboxone tablet.
So basically your not going to be able to get high off other opiates unless you taper a shit ton or try a much stronger opiate than codeine.
Hell at 16mg of suboxone a day you would likely need a relatively decent amount of heroin or something equally strong to even think of catching a high.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I would start tapering & talk to your doctor about lowering your dose.
You got put on way to much suboxone.
Like I said 1/64th of a 8mg pill covered me when I had a habit = to yours.
Hell if you got on sub at all for a codeine habit that's just ridiculous.
I really hope you didn't as you basically fucked yourself if you did.
Just wanted to add that I agree with bpayne on the w/d thing.
Coming off codeine would be like getting hit by say a toy rc car.
Coming off suboxone at 16mg a day would be like getting hit by a real car or hell a mack truck.
But in my opinion you can basically give up on getting high off codeine if you've become accustomed to 16mg of sub a day.
16mg of suboxone is a absurd amount for a 300mg codeine habit.
According to the calculator I just checked 16mg of suboxone is = to 8000mg of codeine.
Not sure how accurate the calculator is but that sounds pretty close.
To be honest your tolerance has likely gone through the roof.
Your most likely never going to get high from codeine again without at least months & months of abstinence.
Perhaps even longer depending on your system.
Sorry to break the news to you, but you got on way to much sub for your habit.
Hell 300mg of codeine is like 30mg of oxycodone for example.
When my tolerance was at that level I could take .125mg of suboxone & be fine.
That's 1/64th of a 8mg suboxone tablet.
So basically your not going to be able to get high off other opiates unless you taper a shit ton or try a much stronger opiate than codeine.
Hell at 16mg of suboxone a day you would likely need a relatively decent amount of heroin or something equally strong to even think of catching a high.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I would start tapering & talk to your doctor about lowering your dose.
You got put on way to much suboxone.
Like I said 1/64th of a 8mg pill covered me when I had a habit = to yours.
Hell if you got on sub at all for a codeine habit that's just ridiculous.
I really hope you didn't as you basically fucked yourself if you did.
Just wanted to add that I agree with bpayne on the w/d thing.
Coming off codeine would be like getting hit by say a toy rc car.
Coming off suboxone at 16mg a day would be like getting hit by a real car or hell a mack truck.
But in my opinion you can basically give up on getting high off codeine if you've become accustomed to 16mg of sub a day.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Yes, I was put on bupe foir codeine addiction BUT HEAR ME OUT.
The codeine was 300mg 4x or 5x a day, meaning 1200-1500mg AND I was initially put on 8mg, it was upped after 5 days as I was still getting withdrawal symptoms.
But before all this I tried cold turkey and after 10 days of withdrawal I was still a complete mess (and it wasn't like being hit by a toy car, I've done a coke withdrawal where I was getting through 1/8 a day for several months) so I went back on codeine but this time using OTC stuff as I'd told the Dr about my addiction. It was expensive and disgusting.and from a LOT of searching on the internet the same thing kept coming back to me: bupe is a good way to come off codeine.. Bupe lasts much longer than the few hours codeine does so it makes it more manageable and the tapering off is obviously done incrementally.
The Dr told me that because bupe isn't a true opiate that my tolerance is actually decreasing all the time.
Forgetting the codeine for a minute, considering that I'm used to sublingual bupe but have started snorting it because the BA is around 2x, would having bupe after a night of coke help with the comedown, just like some antidepressants help with MDMA comnedown?
The codeine was 300mg 4x or 5x a day, meaning 1200-1500mg AND I was initially put on 8mg, it was upped after 5 days as I was still getting withdrawal symptoms.
But before all this I tried cold turkey and after 10 days of withdrawal I was still a complete mess (and it wasn't like being hit by a toy car, I've done a coke withdrawal where I was getting through 1/8 a day for several months) so I went back on codeine but this time using OTC stuff as I'd told the Dr about my addiction. It was expensive and disgusting.and from a LOT of searching on the internet the same thing kept coming back to me: bupe is a good way to come off codeine.. Bupe lasts much longer than the few hours codeine does so it makes it more manageable and the tapering off is obviously done incrementally.
The Dr told me that because bupe isn't a true opiate that my tolerance is actually decreasing all the time.
Forgetting the codeine for a minute, considering that I'm used to sublingual bupe but have started snorting it because the BA is around 2x, would having bupe after a night of coke help with the comedown, just like some antidepressants help with MDMA comnedown?
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
Well first things first the 4-5 times a day makes more sense.
Thus say 150mg oxycodone equivalency.
Sorry about the oxycodone equivalency comments but I'm very familiar with OC so I often use it as a comparison.
As such that would be more than toy car,
I was basing it off 300mg a day total not 1500mg.
When I had that kind of habit I could hold on way less than 8mg so I guess everyone is different.
Regardless it surprises me you still felt that bad after 10 days.
I once cold turkeyed a 60-80mg intra-nasal Oxymorphone habit (approx 6-8000 or 24-28000mg codeine depending on which calc u use)
and I wasn't that bad off after 10 days.
Apparently a lot of these calcs don't give the same answers but meh.
I would say the 24-28000 is more accurate.
Once again everyone must really react differently to w/d's.
As Oxymorpone w/d is considered one of if not the worst to w/d off of.
I found coming off Oxymorphone to make Heroin w/d's look easy but I digress.
You doctor didn't give you the full story though.
Suboxone is an opiate it's just a partial rather than full agonist.
If your doses where lower I would say you tolerance would be decreasing.
But at the dose your at it's more than likely tolerance has increased not decreased.
As by my calculations & also by that of medcalc you should have only needed 3-4mg to hold you at that kind of habit.
Regardless 16mg of sub is = to more than 1500mg of codeine so your tolerance likely has gone up.
Usually the first few weeks of suboxone regardless of if it's a high enough dose you will have some w/d's as it's a partial agonist not a full agonist.
You probably should have waited for at least a few weeks before deciding to up your dose.
Regardless of that I can't really give you a good answer on the coke comedown.
I find sub's help some but not as much as a full agonist would.
Either way if you would like some great information & a better place to post questions relating to sub's go to the following thread.
Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ v11.0
That's version 11 in other words there's been over 10,000 posts worth of knowledge in the first 10!
It's one of the most heavily trafficked threads on BL.
Try posting in there for more responses & info it's a great thread with many helpful posters.
Either way if you want your tolerance to get back to what it was or lower you will have to drop your sub dosage considerably.
Hope that helps & please do check out the thread I linked as it really is one of the best threads on BL for information on sub's.
Best of luck to you with your sub maintenance.
Actually you can probably disregard the calc stuff as codeine must not calculate right in these calculators.
One of them is now saying my Oxymorphone habit was 64000mg of codeine.
So who knows lol.
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Thanks IS. When I was on the bupe for the first 5 days @8mg I'd start to get w/d symptoms before my next 24hr dose was due. All I know is that my body was responding a certyain way t certain drugs so I listened to it.
You also have to bear in mind how much of the bupe got absorbed subligually which is why I snort it when I get the take home ones for when the pharmacy is shut.
You also have to bear in mind how much of the bupe got absorbed subligually which is why I snort it when I get the take home ones for when the pharmacy is shut.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
You need to wait roughly 3 days before you're able to feel the opiates again. It may be awhile before your able to feel the full effects again.
Ufotofu9
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Hey, that's a great question. I've NEVER seen it asked here how long after stopping Suboxone you can get high on other opiates before! Just be careful not to take the Codeine AFTER you take the Suboxone. It could send you into precipitated withdrawals. Well, unless that is you're taking Subutex, which doesn't have the blocker in it. Good luck.
Sorry sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm not really an asshole, I'm just having some fun.
Yeah, like others said, it will be weeks before you can feel Codeine anywhere near where you could before taking Suboxone. Also, 16 mg is waaaaay too high a dose. You could get away with taking less than 1 mg a day and be ok. In fact, I recommend it if you still want to chip with Codeine, because then you'd probably only have to way two or three days.
Cheers
Sorry sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm not really an asshole, I'm just having some fun.
Yeah, like others said, it will be weeks before you can feel Codeine anywhere near where you could before taking Suboxone. Also, 16 mg is waaaaay too high a dose. You could get away with taking less than 1 mg a day and be ok. In fact, I recommend it if you still want to chip with Codeine, because then you'd probably only have to way two or three days.
Cheers
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
Actually that question has been asked more times than I can count...
Read the sub mega threads it's asked on just about every page.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Though now that I think on it you were probably being sarcastic...
Just wanted to point out that what I highlighted in red is ass backwards.
You can take whatever you want after the you take the suboxone.
It doesn't put you in PWD.
It's the other way around, you can't take full agonists then take sub.
That is what sends you into PWD.
Taking sub's while you still have a full agonist in your system gives you PWD.
Taking a full agonist after sub's just reduces the effectiveness of the full agonist if your on a high enough dose of sub's, which the OP is.
Taking full agonists after a low dose of sub's doesn't really interfere much & for some people actually seems to boost the effects of the full agonist.
Also it doesn't matter if it's suboxone or subutex it's the bupeprenorphine not the nalaxone that gives you PWD.
The bupeprenorphine has a binding affinity higher than that of Nalaxone as such for all intents & purposes the Nalaxone does nothing.
So subutex which is just straight Bupeprenorphine will still give you PWD if you take it after a full agonist.
This is because Bupeprenorphine is a partial rather than full agonist & has a higher binding affinity than most any full agonist.
Hope that helps corrects any misconceptions in the above post.
Again as I pointed out the Sub mega thread has all the information I just mentioned.
Glad I could be of assistance _SG.
I hope everything works out for the best for you.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
1. It could send you into precipitated withdrawals. Well, unless that is you're taking Subutex, which doesn't have the blocker in it. Precipitated withdrawals have nothing to do with the naloxone. You would still experience precipitated withdrawals if you were taking Subutex. Its the buprenorphine that causes precipitated withdrawals, not the naloxone.
2. Just be careful not to take the Codeine AFTER you take the Suboxone.
Other way, your not supposed to take an opiate and then Suboxone
3. Yeah, like others said, it will be weeks before you can feel Codeine anywhere near where you could before taking Suboxone. Sure, but it would take only a few days before you'd be able to feel the effects of the codeine. Maybe not near as much as you used to but you'd feel it.
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
^^ It might have been my lack of humor as opposed to your attempts at humor.
I've been tapering as of late & as such my mood has been relatively foul.
It likely went over my head at that moment.
If I recall I was waiting for my sub to kick in & wasn't in my best form.
So it's very possible others got your joke.
I've been tapering as of late & as such my mood has been relatively foul.
It likely went over my head at that moment.
If I recall I was waiting for my sub to kick in & wasn't in my best form.
So it's very possible others got your joke.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
I didn't find it humorous. What if somebody really didn't know and took your advice of not taking the Codeine after you take the Suboxone and decide to take it too soon before. They would go into precipitated withdrawals.
CitioKid
Bluelighter
Huh?
What K'd out is Obviously saying in a way that ANYONE could understand is that if someone was to do what the other guy said even if he said it sarcastically, someone might not have known that and done what he said, taking the codeine first and then taking the suboxone too soon after the codeine putting themselves into precipitated withdrawals all because ufotofu wanted to make an unfunny joke.... I have no idea why you don't understand what k'd out said, because it was clear as day
CitioKid
Bluelighter
Well lil ol' country bumpkin like me (who just had my sweeeeet 16, yez i did!) didn't understand!
I guess because ufotofu never even implied (from what I read) that anyone should take suboxone too soon after quitting codeine.
He was making fun of the people that seem to think that you'll go into PWD if you ever take a full opiate while your on suboxone maintenance. It seems to be a common misconception. They believe sub works like antabuse for alcohol.
Even if he had said "Just be careful not to take the Codeine AFTER you take the Suboxone" without the blatant sarcasm, how could one take that and assume it's okay to take suboxone while still on codeine? The two statements aren't related.
There - that's my syntax excercise for the day.