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Opioids How is someone who is taking pods in the morning taking subs at night?

Bojangles69

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I've read this in more than one spot and its making me consider the varability not just between users but more specifically between new and old users.

First, a simple fact. I use to take my pod doses and feel high for up to 48 hours. I mean I would come down of course around hour 6-8 but still feel a warm opiate glow for the entire second day. The comedown would take FOREVER. And I usually wouldn't feel even a single hot flash till day 3 after my last dose.

NOW, a couple years later, I get hot flashes as short as 8-10 hours after my last pod dose. People use the word "tolerance" around here as the idea that it takes more drug to get someone high but this alternate metabolism type tolerance I never heard of till I came here and asked why I was getting hot flashes so soon after doses.

And I'm starting to really think about this. People say the LONGER you are on a drug the LONGER you should wait to take sub.
I think its the complete opposite to be honest.

Its the people who have been taking an opiate everyday for years that burn that opiate off wayyyy faster than someone whos only been using say 6-12 months.

It just pisses me off because I genuinely feel like I'm in "beginner withdrawals" as early as 2-3pm in the afternoon and it just makes tapering so difficult. I'm still going down and doing what I'm suppose to with the pods but theres so many days I'm tempted just to eat a crumb of sub before I go to bed. I mean a tiny amount like .25mg just to have working in the back for a few days.

I guess theres no way to really do this unless I grow balls? Because if I'm gonna wait till the next day theres no point of taking a sub as its time to dose pods again but I did notice when I jumped back on pods initially I didn't have a hot flash for the first 4-5 days and it had to be the tiny amount of sub still working in the back.

Not only that but I was able to take such tinier amounts of pods those first few days.
I just wish I could take say .25mg sub every 3-4 days and take my pods daily while continuing to taper them. I wouldn't have to deal with hotflashes, I'd most likely be able to take a much smaller amount of pods and be able to taper better. But I'm wondering if its just gonna kick me in the ass trigger pwds.

I know most people might say its stupid to take sub at night when taking pods in the morning but as someone who feels like by 8pm they're having serious cold chills and hotflashes is it really that dumb an idea to try? The one thing I loved about sub was even on supersmall doses I NEVER got hotflashes when I started coming down. If I could settle the hotflashes somehow it would make this taper so much smoother. They're always going up and down my spine, my skin, my arms are always getting gooseflesh. I get flush and hot as shit at night. Any advice on this I'd really appreciate it.

I'm at war with these freakin hotflashes.
 
I get those hot flashes too I think. Is that where you sort of feel heat waves going through your body, and then afterwards you feel a kind of chill? I get those all the time when my subs/DOC start to wear off.

For me it seems like yes, as I grow older, opiates seem to burn through my system quicker, but at the same time, the last time I switched to suboxone, after only one week of use (albiet pretty heavy use), I got really,really sick.
 
Yeh thats exactly what I'm talking about its like a wave of heat but its hard to explain because I get chilly the same time it usually happens. Sometimes when they go up my back my entire back will shake from the chills involuntarily and people start looking at me like "wtf is wrong with him?" Its very noticeable.
I guess than its just natural for every opiate user to wanna take sub sooner than later. Sometimes I think because I'm on such low doses now of everything that I can change the rules (like .25mg of sub won't be enough to cause pwd but will be enough to stop the hot flashes which I know is bs), but I realize even if it worked now it might not work later.

I'd prob have the best chance taking a tiny piece of sub now as hot flashes started about 3pm yesterday and its 10:30am the next day. But the funny thing is this happens a lot where I wake up and don't feel the wds anymore. It seems to last an hour or 2 initially when I wake up and once my blood starts flowing than wd starts to kick in again. It almost feels like a joke sometimes the way they happen.
I know at some point in an hour or 2 they will come back and start getting worse than last night. But it makes no sense why they take this "break".
Like ok I'm gonna have hot flashes ALL NIGHT last night, cold chills and goosebumps and than wake up this morning and their ALL GONE?! This happens everyday if I'm awake right now and haven't took anything yet but was withdrawing and having terrible symptoms last night early right after the dose, WHY THE HELL do I not feel in withdrawal right now?
This is why I won't take a sub right now.
Withdrawals are wayy too inconsistent.
 
ha, that happens to me too. Just wait for the w/d to be safe though. I do the same thing where my limbs and shit just jerk all of a sudden. It's really weird.
 
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