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How is ecstasy not psychologically addictive?

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I'm young (still a teen) and pretty inexperienced with drugs (I don't want much more experience either) and I've never done MDMA.

If ecstasy is so euphoric how is it not the demon that crack, heroin, and meth are known to be? How can a drug bring you so much pleasure yet not make you crave that pleasure after you come down? I played with crack over a year and a half ago and when I came down off crack all I could think about was crack. I pawned for it. It scared me into not experimenting with anything hard anymore, I couldn't let that demon get hold of me. I still get anxious thinking about that high.

I think I probably should add that I'm always hearing that ecstasy is the most euphoric drug in the world, even more euphoric than crack. And I always hear it's almost non-addictive.
 
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I think it is psychologically addictive at a certain point of using it for a lot of people. It's just not psychologically dependent like heroin and that stuff, and not as much cravings as coke or crack or stuff along those lines. It was kinda like a very sneaky addiction for me, in that without realizing it I would just do it at every party, show, and sometimes uneventful weekends to sample new stuff over the course of a month or so last summer. I absolutely loved it and just wanted to get back to that ROLL i was getting into. I only didn't realize that I was dealing with an addiction until after I took it too far and had to stop cold turkey so my brain could slowly repair itself from all the serotonin I used up. I sat back and realized that I was doing it almost every weekend for a while at the time, and it never dawned on me before that it was an addiction.

Its just a different drug. Like everything we love and have a certain desire or addiction towards, there are those things we do very often, and others we take long breaks in between. MDMA is one of those things that most people space out naturally, because it is not by any means an easy drug. However, just because you don't crave something ALL THE TIME and take breaks before doing it again doesn't mean that you don't have a slight craving or slight addiction for that substance. I know many people that say "I'm not addicted" yet they drop it at EVERY show and occasional parties they go to. It's that it is associated with certain events and is done by many people at EVERY one of these events. It's just a way more subtle than coke or heroin addiction. I believe that this makes MDMA nearly just as dangerous in the long term as those other drugs can be since the people that take it way too far don't realize their problems until they have fucked up their brain chemistry for quite some time. Then they keep trying again and again to relive that mystical experience when the magic is clearly gone, and just send themselves into a deep haze. That's similar to what myself and many others I have met along the way have done with the drug, and we leave ourselves with many months or even a years of difficult recovery.

So basically, take it easy. There is a six simple rules thread or something among that nature stickied to the top of this discussion that has all the info you need in order to make the smart choices for your health and mental well being. Take long breaks between rolls, test your product for purity and possible toxins, don't take an excessive dose or redose, and never roll multiple days in a row. Also, know your body, know your mind, and know your limits. Obviously the smartest thing to do is to be completely sober at all times, but if you feel like experimenting here and there, just do so according to the advice in that six simple rules thread and all the other threads found around this discussion. If any of that is difficult to grasp, there are plenty of people around here that I am sure will help you with specific questions that are very knowledgeable on this subject.

Like HST once said, "The Edge…There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are ones who have gone over." Don't be like the rest of us who have crossed that edge, because it is much easier to cross over that line than it is to come back from it. Overall, good luck, and be safe.
 
I see what you are asking, and it is a good question...the best way I can think of to answer it is by alluding it to a meal...when you are eating, you want to keep eating, but when you are full, you have had enough, and are happy to wait for another meal. That is how I see MDMA... I don't want the roll to end, but when it does, I am satisfied, (usually) (until next time).

Meth is like eating lollies...you get the sugar rush, and keep on eating them until they are gone with no feeling of satisfaction, just wanting more until you become ill.

OK, that may be oversimplified, but thats as close as I can come to answering. YMMV
 
Who said it wasn't?


it's an amphetamine, which are notoriously addictive. Luckily it's primarily serotonergic, while other amphetamines like meth and adderall focus mainly on dopamine which is the part of the brain thought to be responsible for addiction. MDMA still works on dopamine, but not NEARLY as much and due to serotonin tolerance you can't do it nearly as often as other amps either. It kind of has a build in safety net, when you start doing it too often (more than once a month), your brain (hopefully) gives you signals that damage is occurring and that it's time to stop. If you're smart, you'll listen to your brain, if not... well, I'm a former "ecstasy addict", let's just say it didn't turn out too well.
 
I personally know at least a dozen people that became addicted. Yes it does happen. It ain't too pretty:(.
 
Frankly MDMA loses its fun.
Meth and cocaine lose their shine as well, as do opiates, but not to the same degree.
Even with tolerance, doing a line of blow still feels great, as does a toke of gak or a shot of heroin.
Once the magic truly leaves with MDMA, the high is completely different, and you no longer feel drawn to it as the psychological addiction you had to is was for the almost overwhelming euphoria you got from it.
When that's gone, it just feels like a shitty uncomfortable amphetamine.
Though some people do hold long term psychological addictions to MDMA, most roll themselves sick in a couple months after regular use
 
MDMA is addictive in the VERY short term - its a drug of one off benders - IE its hard to call it a night if you can get 1 more pill, then it turns into another pill, and then another, until before you know it you've taken 8 pills, probably other stuff you've been offered, and you've been awake for 3 days talking shit to someone you just met at a house that you have no idea who lives there. What ended most of my MDMA binges was actually running out of money to buy more pills! Its not like other drugs like Meth/Heroin/Coke where you can more or less function while behing high - i know plenty of functioning addicts on those substances. the MDMA experience (to start with anyway) is so strong and profound that each experience is its own adventure which must end. Same as acid, you can't take acid then go to work. So in that sense MDMA isn't physically addictive... BUT i argue that it is VERY psychologically addictive! 1998/99/2000/2001 i took at least 500 pills. The pattern was start on Thursday night and stay trashed until Sunday. Monday to Wednesday was just spent recovering. Monday I would be cursing drugs and saying 'never again' But by Thursday i was ALWAYS hanging out BAD to roll again.

MDMA should be savoured like fine wine.... used sparingly and in moderation to keep the magic and have the amazing experiences that it can bring. I CAN'T WAIT for the day when MDMA is used in mainstream psychotherapy (i understand its being trialled right now for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). I think it is possibly the most therepeutic tool possible, and if it is used carefully enough (in terms of pre-loading and post-loading, no sleep dep, pure pharmaceutical MDMA, etc) then i'm sure it would be perfectly safe with little or no after effects.

I can't count the number of raves i've been at, and there will be some dude sitting there in the morning at the back of the shed, shaking his head - i'd be like, 'hey you okay' and the response is almost always 'tonight was my first MDMA - I can't believe what has happened - my mind has been opened - i felt universal love - i shared my inner self with people with no sense o shame or inhibition' etc etc. IT CHANGES PEOPLES LIVES!!

WC
 
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