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How I skipped the worst of the WDs from H

I've never taken them recreationally everyday. But I have taken them for a few years. Was never addicted to Xanax. Always could stop. The worst part of the WDs for me is the anxiety and panic attacks and this has helped me greatly. I think it is much better than being addicted to suboxone for 2 years and going thru hell withdrawls for a month. The physical WDs are mostly over now and I am getting more and more sleep every day.
 
dooggie said:
I've never taken them recreationally everyday. But I have taken them for a few years. Was never addicted to Xanax. Always could stop. The worst part of the WDs for me is the anxiety and panic attacks and this has helped me greatly. I think it is much better than being addicted to suboxone for 2 years and going thru hell withdrawls for a month. The physical WDs are mostly over now and I am getting more and more sleep every day.
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Your certainly not wrong about how hellish suboxone withdrawals are. Bad memories man. Glad your kick wasn't too painful.
 
Problem with benzos in withdrawl is that I have to take more than normal to knock out and the sleep only lasts 2-3 hours for the first couple of days. This leads to repeated redosing and a rapid increase in tolerance. Not the worst thing if you o my use them for the first few days tho. The best thing I have ever used for withdrawals was Ketamin hands down. Followed by gabapentin, mushrooms, and benzos.
 
Suboxone withdrawal is its own little brand of hell. Just how long it lasts. My symptoms kept getting worse after day eight, and I always ended up using again.

Do you have a plan for staying sober after you detox? It is a good idea to start putting some support in place. IME its easy to detox, hard to stay clean for any length of time.
 
I am not too sure what my long term plans are for staying clean besides taking it day by day. I have to get back into career mode, ya know? So working everyday and keeping myself busy and hitting NA meetings is what I am going to do.
 
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Ketamine has a similar property in terms of delayed onset of tolerance, although it doesn't seem like either can prevent tolerance indefinitely or remove tolerance once it develops. Didn't word that quite how I wanted, but you probably get the idea. This is one of my favorite all time BL threads: NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the evidence and anecdotal reports
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Yeah, I'm actually researching on this matter and it seems like I've maybe found another missing piece - the NADPH oxidase. So by using low-dose DXM (and/or N-acetylcysteine) continuously alongside other NMDA antagonists, you might improve their efficacy.

Tolerance isn't the one-way road people use to think! It's just a neuropharmacological mechanism. (Granted, there are learning mechanisms too that can't be avoided, so it's really perplexing, but it's possible to use drugs without having to rush into tolerance.)
 
Update: 4:23 AM. Today will be exactly 1 week sober off opiates. Feel no physical WDs at all. Lying in my bed now and for some reason can't sleep. Don't want to take more xanax but I might have to. I've tried snorting one this morning and it worked just the same taking it orally. I guess the nasal fixation of snorting things helps some people feel better but it's too much powder filler for 2mg of active ingredient in such a giant bar. I've given my script to a trusting person and to only give me 6mg day now. But I don't feel like that is enough. Maybe I underestimated how much anxiety I would have and the mental WDs. Well at least I feel physically normal. Anxiety sucks. Just awaiting the whole PAWS episodes which I will probably need Xanax for anyway. I hope I don't get dependent on bars.
 
Hey dooggie. I am glad your physical withdrawals are over. Like I stated earlier, you are going to have some bad rebound anxiety from high doses of xanax.

Do you know any breathing exercises, or do you meditate? Do you find walks make your anxiety wain? Maybe write a journal entry, or listen to or play a song you like..Try these before taking the benzos until you are out of anxiety mode and only use them when you need them.

I have been doing heart mathematics. You find your heartbeat at rest. You breath in for a number of beats with a sharp intake of breath on each beat and then exhale with sharp exhales on each beat of your heart for the same number. Slowly go down from your number and repeat this process till you are just taking in one long breath, and then one long exhale. It helps you focus on lowering your heartrate which will in turn calm you down.
 
Get some phenibut and slowly taper it off.

The recent evidence makes phenibut look a lot like pregabalin etc. and as such it will be a good thing to get off benzos, avoiding the anxiety rebound. Just taper it!
 
Just be careful about how much phenibut is taken if you go that route. It also takes a while to really kick in for some, or at least it did in my case. Just be careful. The right amount can mean the difference between w/ding relatively comfortably from a more potent gabaergic drug and having a seizure, so don't do what I did and get put off from the side effects of taking much too much phenibut. Makes the spins from booze feel like a gentle breeze... :\
 
I never had a problem with a dependency with Xanax. I never really had high stress of anxiety problems to begin with so maybe that is why. It just mostly makes me sleepy and blackout. I took 4mg today 10AM and just woke up around 4PM. It sucks that I sleep during the day. I need to figure out how to reverse my sleep cycle so I am not in fucking vampire mode
 
I never had a problem with a dependency with Xanax. I never really had high stress of anxiety problems to begin with so maybe that is why. It just mostly makes me sleepy and blackout. I took 4mg today 10AM and just woke up around 4PM. It sucks that I sleep during the day. I need to figure out how to reverse my sleep cycle so I am not in fucking vampire mode
 
Hey man, whatever works. I'm just glad you aren't taking as much alprazolam any more. Hopefully you can work to reset your circadian rhythm, but withdrawal from opioids will mess that up good too. Try as hard as you can to avoid sleeping during the day, practice good sleep hygiene and take some melatonin just before going to bed. It won't knock you out or anything, but it will help get your body/brain back on track.

Keep up the good work!
 
A little update. 5:08AM. Can't seem to sleep at night. Slept 6 hours yesterday from 9AM to 3PM. I still feel anxious being sober and often have strong mental cravings. Physical pain is nearly gone but sometimes creeps up on me for a couple minutes before going away. I pretend I to destroy it in my mind with a gun like a Vietnam helicopter door gunner. Seems to help for some reason. I guess I will stay up all night and day tomorrow to try to get my sleep schedule back to normal mode.
 
Mental imagery is awesome man. That helped me too.

Stay up all day, do not take more than .5-1mg of xanax until night. Do this everyday till you get on track while slowly eliminating the dosage at night. Do you get prescribed xanax? Ask your doctor for temazepam. It really helps with restful sleep, as opposed to the blackout sleep from xanax.
 
Yes i get prescribed 60 2mg a month. I never had trouble cutting down on or stopping completely. It was always the opiates that got me going and craving. I fell asleep during the day today again. I don't know how. I swear I was trying to stay awake the entire daytime. Anyways day 8 no opiates. Feel okay. Bouts of physical cravings that go away shortly and mental anguish that is helped by the xanax. If I could sleep again like a normal human being, I would be so grateful and happy. I still feel like a vampire.
 
Feel really good right now. Its about 9:30 PM here. I just hate not sleeping through the night. Taking obscene amounts of xanax to knock me out seems to be the only remedy. I am actually going strong this time. Feel like I'm done using drugs. I hate the money I spent and the family and friends I've betrayed. I hope for forgiveness someday from my father and brother.
 
Go lift weights at 8pm for an hour. Hard. After go do 3 miles of cardio of run/walk until 11pm. At 11pm take sleeping pills not xanax and Eat a nice big healthy meal after all if this finishing it all up by 11pm. Get in to bed and youll sleep

Suck it up and do this every night and soon enough things will get back to normal and ull feel good.

There have been a very limited amount of times in my life where i heard peope wishing to be going through heroin withdrawal. Each person i heard this from had something similar in common. They were withdrawing from benzos.

Be careful and do w.e u have to, to not end up dependant on benzos.
 
While good advice, working out not too long before be seemed to make my insomnia worse when kicking. Worth a try, and working out twice (or even once) a day definitely will help with the sleep regardless.
 
Another thing that gets less consideration these days when it comes to insomnia is screen time. When you lay down to sleep, make sure your tv, your computer, your tablet, and your phone are off. These will actually keep you awake. I used to try to sleep with the tv on because the white noise and distraction from my anxiety was helpful...but I noticed I woke up frequently and couldn't fall back asleep. Now I use a fan for white noise. (honestly a rat pissing on cotton in the attic would wake me up cos I am a very light sleeper.)

Something else to try, is reading a book before bed...a kindle is okay as long as it is not back-lit. Have you talked to your doctor about the insomnia? I would highly suggest giving temazepam a shot instead of xanax. It is much more hypnotic, and when taken correctly gives you restful sleep as opposed to blackout sleep.
 
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