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How harmful actually is PCP?

lolusername

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Besides all the stories of people doing crazy stuff under the influence of PCP, how dangerous actually is it? What kind of long term health effects can it cause, and does it actually cause brain damage? I have been searching around on the internet and find it a bit difficult to get straight answers, so could my fellow bluelighters enlighten me?

The reason I am asking this is because I might have an opportunity to try some, and I used to enjoy DXM and have heard it feels kind of similar to it, and I have always been curious about it.
 
While DXM and PCP are both NMDA antagonists they will still feel quite different. The brain damage theory surrounding NMDA antagonists includes all of them - meaning DXM, Nitrous etc too, not just PCP. However, this brain damage theory, known as Olney's Lesions, after the man who conducted the first study into it, has never been proven to affect humans.
William White, a DXM researcher, concluded that Olney's lesions were forming in humans, but retracted his statement in 2004.[11] In 2003, Cliff Anderson, a researcher and critic, wrote an article that illustrated that the tests conducted by Olney and Farber did not provide any conclusive evidence that lesions develop in human brains after exposure to dissociatives.[8] Anderson quoted Karl L. R. Jansen's book, Ketamine: Dreams and Realities, which cited unpublished studies on monkey brains. White's opinion that DXM caused Olney's Lesions therefore came under fire. From Ketamine: Dreams and Realities:[12]
Roland Auer injected monkeys with MK801 and was unable to produce any vacuoles.[...]

[R]ats have rates of brain metabolism that are almost twice as high as those in humans to start with. It is because of this higher base rate of metabolism that ketamine causes over-excitement in rats at doses below those at which it activates shutdown systems.

Frank Sharp also works in this area. I discussed with Sharp how this issue stood in 1998. His view was that reversible toxic changes in the rat started to appear at 40mg/kg and reached a level at which no further changes occurred (a plateau) at 100mg/kg, when a little cell death could be seen - but matters would not progress beyond this point. Extensive attempts to produce toxic changes in monkeys had been a total failure at doses up to 10mg/kg i.m. These monkey studies are unpublished. I sought the view of Olney's colleague, Nuri Farber. The work of his team indicated that N-P receptors must be blocked for at least 2 hours to cause reversible changes, and at least 24 hours to produce some cell death, in rats. [...][H]e thought that the methods used in monkey studies so far were unsatisfactory, because the animals were probably too young. Only adult rats show the toxic changes. He was not prepared to accept a clean bill of health for the drug in primates until this work with older monkeys had been done, and until the drug companies published their monkey studies to support their claims of harmlessness.

There is thus no published evidence at this time (January 2000) that ketamine can produce toxic cell changes in monkeys. The unpublished monkey data that we know about, that of Frank Sharp, actually shows that there is no damage at doses up to 10mg/kg.
White therefore concluded that based on some fundamental differences between rat biology and human biology and because there have only been very few studies done on the occurrence of Olney's lesions, no connection can currently be proved or disproved.[13]

That said, heavy dissociative users often have noticed cognitive issues such as impaired memory or language skills, and even though they are widely used, there may be more negatives we have yet to uncover, so I wouldn't recommend making a habit of it - but using it at normal doses infrequently should be no more dangerous than doing the same with DXM.

Just a warning though, by weight PCP is a lot more potent than DXM, so except to be overwhelmed if you do not properly measure your doses.
 
I don't plan on using pcp that much, because its alot more expensive and hard to find then DXM ever was. I probably used DXM more then I should have, but that was because it was so easily available. I could feel with it fucking with my head some and it lost the magic so I stopped, and I am back to normal mentally now. :)

So would occasional PCP use have more risk then occasional use of other dissociatives?

Edit: didn't read all of your post right, sorry I am pretty high right now.

Would PCP induced mental problems be more permanent then ones created by DXM? Even though I don't plan to use it frequently I thought I'd ask anyway.
 
DXM is no safer than PCP. PCP also does not send you running around murdering families and pulling out your own teeth - however some users have done some crazy things, probably due to the fact that you can accomplish very difficult (and painful) feats by making the most of it's potency as an analgesic.

As for long term mental effects, the cognitive effects I mentioned seem to be present across the board with NMDA antagonists, so you're at the same risk from DXM - provided you limit your use and don't abuse your drugs of choice you shouldn't be putting yourself in harm's way though.
 
I realize PCP doesn't normally turn people into the incredible hulk and that the media has alot to do with people thinking it does. But I do know of people who have gone on psychotic breaks from stopping their meds and doing tons of DXM, but the meds part probably had alot to do with that too. I think I am stable enough to handle PCP, mentally.
 
stopping their meds and doing tons of DXM

Well yes, that is quite the recipe for disaster. Although various medications are often over-prescribed or mis-prescribed, unless you're a doctor and qualified to say for yourself - stopping your medication could be dangerous and lead to some very negative situations. Combining that with large amounts of a drug is just asking for trouble, and by "tons" I take it you mean they were abusing it - in which case even if the medication were not a factor it would come with negative repercussions.

If you're interested, here's The Big and Dandy PCP Thread :)
 
I think PCP can have a manic edge to it, some users are more susceptible to this than others. The combination of disassociation and this manic element is what probably makes people lose it whilst on PCP. I'd be very interested in trying PCP if the opportunity arose, but would start at a very low dose to make sure I wasn't susceptible to PCP's manic effects. I know its a different chemical, but looks like I'll be ordering some Methoxydine (4-Meo-PCP) soon, looking forward to giving that one a try.
 
I have considered ordering 4 or 3-meo-pcp as well, but I figure that way I will have much more of it around and I will be more likely to abuse it. That's pretty much why I want the real deal.
 
Keep in mind the duration/half-life of PCP is pretty long, so if you go for a higher dose/ very dissociative experience you will probably still be impaired the next day (well, ROA also matters here). So if you feel like going for the higher end of the dosing spectrum make sure you'll have ample time to recover. This is probably one to be best appreciated at the lower end of the dosing spectrum.

I hope I run across this drug someday (well technically I could drive on down to South Central or something and try to cold cop it, but even imagining that makes me anxious).

P.S. I don't think I've mentioned, but I dig the avatar lolusername.
 
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P.S. I don't think I've mentioned, but I dig the avatar lolusername.

Thanks man %)

So anyway in William White's paper on Onley's lesions, although that has never been proven in humans, he also makes the claim that pcp causes brain damage through other means as well.

"Since then, Onley's lesions, also known as NMDA Antagonist Neurotoxicity or NAN, have been discovered with ketamine, PCP, and dextrorphan (the metabolite of DXM), as well as a bunch of dissociative drugs you won't find outside of a research lab. PCP causes additional damage to the cerebellum and other areas, by the way."

Is there any science to actually back up that last claim he made about PCP causing damage to the "cerebellum and other areas", as he put it?
 
I've done PCP once 10 years ago and ever since I've wante more. It's always been my number 1 want. Can't buy it domestically for shit and even finding import seems extremely rare.
 
The reason I am asking this is because I might have an opportunity to try some, and I used to enjoy DXM and have heard it feels kind of similar to it, and I have always been curious about it.

Jealous!!! Sprinkle it in a spliff. Taht's how I did it and I was fine. That was strong enough.
 
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