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How fast does a hardhead have to smoke? I'm already coming down after a minute.

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Salvia, I will never give up on you. <3

I've been trying and trying but Salvia alone has never been enough to send me past that point. Always needed a booster. But I don't want to be someone who has to use a booster. That's like cheating. Especially when I follow all the rules. Torch lighter, bong, dark place with no music, comfortable, laying down. It never seems to matter. The furthest I get is merging with objects when smoking only Salvia.

As far as I'm aware, there are two schools of thought:
1) Smoke more.
2) Hold it in (it being a lungful) as long as possible (meaning until you breakthrough or come down).

If you're not sensitive enough, this gets complex. There could be many realities here. The rate of metabolism could vary to a ridiculous degree. It might be that you hold in one lungful for long then take many, many rapid hits before you come down. It could be the other way around. People might be limited by the size of their lungs.

I have many things I might try. One hit, "sipped" until breakthrough. I don't know if the Salvinorin will condense by the time that happens. It just seems that this way might do something different.

I'm at the end of my rope.

Which school works for hardheads and why? Is there a smoking method just for us?
 
Um, I'm still looking to try this.

[No sourcing discussion, including asking for sources. You're new so I'm just letting you know :)]
 
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You could try an extraction and smoke some salvinorin A crystals? It'ld be quite hard to measure, but with liquid measurement you can calculate the dose pretty well.
 
if you have the real deal salvia tht is not extracted into the body high only then you must hit it out of a bong. its a must. take the fattest hit you can take and hold it in and i gguarantee you will trip. if you dont have a bong make a gravity bong. have fun because after you try it youll never want to again
 
phew said:
Salvia, I will never give up on you. <3

I've been trying and trying but Salvia alone has never been enough to send me past that point. Always needed a booster. But I don't want to be someone who has to use a booster. That's like cheating. Especially when I follow all the rules. Torch lighter, bong, dark place with no music, comfortable, laying down. It never seems to matter. The furthest I get is merging with objects when smoking only Salvia.

As far as I'm aware, there are two schools of thought:
1) Smoke more.
2) Hold it in (it being a lungful) as long as possible (meaning until you breakthrough or come down).

If you're not sensitive enough, this gets complex. There could be many realities here. The rate of metabolism could vary to a ridiculous degree. It might be that you hold in one lungful for long then take many, many rapid hits before you come down. It could be the other way around. People might be limited by the size of their lungs.

I have many things I might try. One hit, "sipped" until breakthrough. I don't know if the Salvinorin will condense by the time that happens. It just seems that this way might do something different.

I'm at the end of my rope.

Which school works for hardheads and why? Is there a smoking method just for us?
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I have found that using a stronger extract works for me. Plus, you don't have to breathe in as much smoke because the hit is more concentrated. 30X is what I found works for me but I think you can find up to 60X.

Combine this advice with the bong method mentioned above and you should skyrocket to Salvia reality in no time.

Salvia's quite a ride... hang tight and good luck. Have fun, and have a sober person close to you distantly supervising as some people move around a lot under the effects and can injure themselves. You never know what she has in store for you...
 
i have broken through on 7x using nothing but a bowl and a bic lighter.

Maybe your getting the temps too high. A standard bic will vaporize salvia if you keep the flame to it.

But yea, i don't do salvia any more.

Stepped into a camp fire bare foot experiencing my own death and judgment in the form of a talk show.
 
jamaica0535 said:
i have broken through on 7x using nothing but a bowl and a bic lighter.

Maybe your getting the temps too high. A standard bic will vaporize salvia if you keep the flame to it.
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Wow. This whole time people are saying get a hot lighter (some have said use a bic too, like redgreenvines) but now this piece of advice. I just can't win.
 
phew said:
Wow. This whole time people are saying get a hot lighter (some have said use a bic too, like redgreenvines) but now this piece of advice. I just can't win.
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I use a regular lighter and it works like a charm. Just keep the flame on it the entire time you inhale.

I think the torch-lighter thing is a scam perpetrated by the head shops that want to sell their stuff. When I first bought salvia from a head shop, the guy insisted I that I needed a bong and a torch lighter. The truth: it makes no difference. The bong method is probably better to get a big hit and cool the smoke, but not necessary.
 
Torch it and hold it in your lungs as long as possible, then if that is not repeat and repeat.... I also reccommend using a bong as it can deliver a much larger dose.
 
Have you tried different sources? Its always a possibility that you have bunk salvia. I read alot about people who cant breakthrough but I first broke through on my second attempt with just a little pipe and cheap lighter. Once you get there you'll know. :)
 
Salvia has a very high vaporization point for Salvinorin A which is why its recommended to use a butane torch lighter.

On that note though, if you hold a bic with the flame ABOVE the salvia and suck it down into the herb, it will get hot enough to vape the Salvinorin A.

Also, for a lot of people, Salvia has a reverse tolerance. You have to either smoke 20x right off the bat to break through or you have to deal wtih the unpleasant effects of sub breakthrough dosing for a number of times before you will actually break through.
 
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