Hopeless how do you quit suboxone?

[allone]

this shit has grabbed my balls real hard. i realized how bad it is recently when i took 3 going to 4 days without it and the night in between was some of the worst dysphoria and depression i have had in a while! i have an alcohol problem so i keep drinking thinking it will mitigate the withdrawal, but NOPE. it makes it much worst! the fact that i also have alcohol and a benzo problem is probably not very helpful either. this suboxone shit gives me enough energy to get up from bed and do some actual fucking work around the house. without it, i have ZERO interest getting up. today when i woke up, literally i had to shit and i thought man just shit my bed i dont give 2 fucks!!! luckily, i did get up and shit, but the thought of just shitting as i lay in my bed is enough to describe how shitty i am without it. finally after such pressure to do fucking chores, i had to take a very small dose (i cut the strips) and as small as that dose was, it got me up. but now, i just feel horrible as i didnt hold on long enough to be clean from that crap. long term, it has too many side effects for me. it also cautions for use with people who might have cerebrovascular disorders, in my case being an arachnoid cyst. which causes pressure in the head and i feel like passing out a lot. SO, short story, how the fuck does one quit this shit? seriously, i even tapered it down to small mgs, but i still got severe fucking dysphoria and depression. the reason it took 3-4 days is as people know, it has a long half life. i know now by the 3rd day ill be in the shitter. literally, i shit my guts out too when im off it for a while
i hope if someone experienced this themselves or knows support forum for quiting it, please let me know. but i think maybe im doing it wrong and i should first quit alcohol and benzos? alcohol is definitely NOT helping. quiting alcohol tho, makes me physically sick too. jeez fuck getting hooked on opiates AND sedatives = fun!!!

 

[Deru]

Buprenorphine was by far one of the hardest opioids to withdrawal from, the half-life makes it torture. It's easiest to taper down to 1 mg or 0.5 mg/day and then stop. What dosage were you on, for how long, and what dose did you stop at?

 

[allone]

started at 8mg 6 months ago. lowered to 4mg but i started cutting it in half to start saving more and with less visits to the doctor but not planning to quit. then i decided to quit, and dear lord! im not sure i agree its the hardest opiate to quit though. i had even worst situations with simple crap like tramadol and even tianeptine is hell. but i believe the reason i suffer a lot is because i mix suboxone with alcohol. alcohol feels empty without it. my greatest mistake IS mixing alcohol with ANY fucking opiate. it just works like dick and pussy. just fits right in naturally. having alcohol without opiates is like trying to fuck air and cum for me!
anyway, i first did suboxone 15 years ago to get off heroin and i dont remember how i got off it seriously. i remember using kratom and then quiting it easier. but now, even kratom makes me sick if i quit. the age also plays a factor? im getting older and less tolerant when in fact i should be more experienced and understanding things better. but, i tolerate pain even less now. maybe because i experienced it so much i do not want it anymore?
jeez fuck if someone gets me off opiates and alcohol ill give them all my money i have seriously, money is fucking useless when you are a fucking suffering addict!!! I rather eat from garbage cans than be addicted to any shit. I have seen homeless people not be addicted to drugs or alcohol (maybe money is important factor) but they are also luckily not addicts by nature?

 

[Deru]

started at 8mg 6 months ago. lowered to 4mg but i started cutting it in half to start saving more and with less visits to the doctor but not planning to quit. then i decided to quit, and dear lord! im not sure i agree its the hardest opiate to quit though. i had even worst situations with simple crap like tramadol and even tianeptine is hell. but i believe the reason i suffer a lot is because i mix suboxone with alcohol. alcohol feels empty without it. my greatest mistake IS mixing alcohol with ANY fucking opiate. it just works like dick and pussy. just fits right in naturally. having alcohol without opiates is like trying to fuck air and cum for me!
anyway, i first did suboxone 15 years ago to get off heroin and i dont remember how i got off it seriously. i remember using kratom and then quiting it easier. but now, even kratom makes me sick if i quit. the age also plays a factor? im getting older and less tolerant when in fact i should be more experienced and understanding things better. but, i tolerate pain even less now. maybe because i experienced it so much i do not want it anymore?
jeez fuck if someone gets me off opiates and alcohol ill give them all my money i have seriously, money is fucking useless when you are a fucking suffering addict!!!

I've heard tramadol is difficult to withdrawal from because of the anti depressant issues. Between oxycodone, intravenous heroin and fentanyl, buprenorphine was by far the worst, surpassing fentanyl even in terms of long term, agonizing misery. It doesn't even get bad until the 2nd or 3rd day, and then continues to get worse.

 

[Jabberwocky]

PM me, i'll give you detailed and long quide man/woman!
Do it!

 

[allone]

Deru, OK dude, seriously how are you helping me telling me this shit?? I barely make it 3 days then you are telling me it gets WORSE? wtf man!

 

[DuckyBitch69]

this shit has grabbed my balls real hard. i realized how bad it is recently when i took 3 going to 4 days without it and the night in between was some of the worst dysphoria and depression i have had in a while! i have an alcohol problem so i keep drinking thinking it will mitigate the withdrawal, but NOPE. it makes it much worst! the fact that i also have alcohol and a benzo problem is probably not very helpful either. this suboxone shit gives me enough energy to get up from bed and do some actual fucking work around the house. without it, i have ZERO interest getting up. today when i woke up, literally i had to shit and i thought man just shit my bed i dont give 2 fucks!!! luckily, i did get up and shit, but the thought of just shitting as i lay in my bed is enough to describe how shitty i am without it. finally after such pressure to do fucking chores, i had to take a very small dose (i cut the strips) and as small as that dose was, it got me up. but now, i just feel horrible as i didnt hold on long enough to be clean from that crap. long term, it has too many side effects for me. it also cautions for use with people who might have cerebrovascular disorders, in my case being an arachnoid cyst. which causes pressure in the head and i feel like passing out a lot. SO, short story, how the fuck does one quit this shit? seriously, i even tapered it down to small mgs, but i still got severe fucking dysphoria and depression. the reason it took 3-4 days is as people know, it has a long half life. i know now by the 3rd day ill be in the shitter. literally, i shit my guts out too when im off it for a while
i hope if someone experienced this themselves or knows support forum for quiting it, please let me know. but i think maybe im doing it wrong and i should first quit alcohol and benzos? alcohol is definitely NOT helping. quiting alcohol tho, makes me physically sick too. jeez fuck getting hooked on opiates AND sedatives = fun!!!

I quit by tapering myself from 8 mg, 4mg for 2 days, 2 mg for 3 days, 1 mg for 1 day and lastly 0.5 mg for 1 day. The withdrawal was still relentless after a week after dropping off 0.5 to nothing. Then I found out about viva la Zen kratom shots. Wd was completely unnoticeable.

 

[allone]

kratom helps doesnt it? how did you quit kratom? i end up getting hooked ON IT at one point

 

[dopamimetic]

By using NMDA antagonists. Memantine made me barely notice the withdrawal from 200mg morphine (leftover symptoms: insomnia, some diarrhea, and - euphoria!). Deschloroketamine let me feel nothing at all from 4mg buprenorphine (after a year on it). Seriously, it's a game changer about opioids.

 

[Deru]

Deru, OK dude, seriously how are you helping me telling me this shit?? I barely make it 3 days then you are telling me it gets WORSE? wtf man!

I asked you questions about your usage to be able to give you more accurate information, I was trying to help you. Doesn't make much sense to have false expectations? Slow, steady tapers down to small amounts will greatly mitigate the extent of the withdrawals.

 

[allone]

By using NMDA antagonists. Memantine made me barely notice the withdrawal from 200mg morphine (leftover symptoms: insomnia, some diarrhea, and - euphoria!). Deschloroketamine let me feel nothing at all from 4mg buprenorphine (after a year on it).

i think i told you about my memantine usage. i didnt like it. i took memantine WITH suboxone. i thought my brain was ripping out of my skull trying to leak out on the sidewalk Deli style. I was also using alcohol prior and during this SO, i guess re-using it OFF suboxone might benefit me?

 

[allone]

I asked you questions about your usage to be able to give you more accurate information, I was trying to help you. Doesn't make much sense to have false expectations? Slow, steady tapers down to small amounts will greatly mitigate the extent of the withdrawals.

how long did it last for you? what did you use to get over it meanwhile?

 

[DuckyBitch69]

kratom helps doesnt it? how did you quit kratom? i end up getting hooked ON IT at one point

I actually didn't have any withdrawal from kratom. To be honest I'm struggling to get off meth and meat on doesn't touch the fatigue from the come down

 

[dopamimetic]

i think i told you about my memantine usage. i didnt like it. i took memantine WITH suboxone. i thought my brain was ripping out of my skull trying to leak out on the sidewalk Deli style. BUT, i guess re-using it OFF suboxone might benefit me?

Oh sorry, forgot that this was you ... I didn't combine memantine with subuxone but it might well have been the naloxone in there, because this combination was absolute hell from just <1mg naloxone and no opioid nor tolerance but 30mg memantine. With morphine it's fine to combine them, and pharmacologically I see no reason why bupe should be any different here.

Did these bad effects stay for long or were primarily there for 1-3h after taking the suboxone? Then it's the naloxone. Otherwise, maybe you really don't tolerate it.

Forgot to mention DXM. Did you ever do this one? It's pretty different but can offer similar help in the dose range of roughly 150-350mg.
Kratom can help too, yeah. But I get withdrawal from it too, and a more agitated kind than from morphine which doesn't feel so good - it doesn't require a doc tho.

 

[allone]

DXM is a good fucking idea. I have done it before to deal with heroin and also tianeptine. Not sure how much it helped but I know I didnt use the aforementioned for a while after

 

[Deru]

I had to go into detox and inpatient rehab to finally get off if, I failed for a decade trying to successfully do it. The problem I always faced, is I could never make it long enough and I would give in and relapse on other full agonist opioids, it's just a life long cycle of replacing one opioid with another or another drug. And then, I felt like something was wrong with me because every doctor kept telling me how easy it should be. So, I guess I just wish I had someone give me realistic expectations, thus why I'm telling you. I've been clean off it for 3 years, legit clean, no relapses. The biggest thing, though, was I had to work on myself and fix the problematic portions of me that kept driving me to relapse to begin with.

With all that being said, I slowly tapered down to 2 mg per day, stayed there for weeks, then went into detox where they tapered me to 0.5mg every other day and then nothing. It was a long, painful struggle, but it was worth every minute of pain to finally be freed of it's addiction and hold over me.

 

[allone]

I actually didn't have any withdrawal from kratom. To be honest I'm struggling to get off meth and meat on doesn't touch the fatigue from the come down

still trying to quit meth? i can probably see why kratom didnt cause withdrawals though. I mean, meth is hella of a drug.

 

[allone]

anyway i ordered tianeptine. it keeps me off suboxone for a while, but damn, its not gonna fix the problem long term.

but fuck suboxone, ill just use DXM after

 

[allone]

btw i forgot to mention i started lithium. this shit cuts the euphoria from alcohol and probably suboxone. i feel like a zombie and NOT HAPPY! but i think thats a good thing. like literally right now i chugged one bottle of wine and two beers, i feel NOTHING. except of course, physically. it makes me heavy and shitty...
usually after a bottle and few beers i start getting euphoria to dance to youtube music. now i feel like i wanna stare at the fucking wall..... god i wish lighting strikes me!

 

[dopamimetic]

btw i forgot to mention i started lithium. this shit cuts the euphoria from alcohol and probably suboxone. i feel like a zombie and NOT HAPPY! but i think thats a good thing. like literally right now i chugged one bottle of wine and two beers, i feel NOTHING. except of course, physically. it makes me heavy and shitty...
usually after a bottle and few beers i start getting euphoria to dance to youtube music. now i feel like i wanna stare at the fucking wall..... god i wish lighting strikes me!

Did you experience the loss of euphoria before cutting down on subuxone?

DXM helps for sure but dosing is tricky because you want the metabolite dextrorphan and depending on your liver enzymes some need much more than others.
Unfortunate to read that lithium doesn't help, in theory it should take the edge off opioid w/d but I thought it sounds too good on paper to be true. What's your dose?