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How do you know when it's time to stop?

One nifty little ditty used by drug and alcohol counselor type people is the 4 L's.
Liver (general health)
Lover (relationships)
Lifestyle (guess...)
Law (guess again...)
Its just a balance really, and sometimes the balance tips one way or the other (sometimes in one night)...You've just gotta keep the whole thing in perspective... Interesting discussion tho....
 
damn that 4L's thing is very well done
those drug and alcohol counsellors are always switched on. i hope i never have to speak to one tho.
see with regard to the question 'when is it time to stop?' im very critical of myself and am constantly asking myself that question, so rather than having to stop, i tend to avoid acceleration.
that 4L's is perfect tho.
 
I think it is time to stop when you need it to have a good time. Like anything in life if you depend on it to fill a void, then you have to ask yourself why is the void there?
 
The time to stop taking these things is when you start to require them to get through your ordinary day life. Its different for everyone, so keep havin a blast man in moderation and you'll be fine. Besides you'll know in yourself when its time to stop trust me!
 
^^^ I don't trust anyone I don't know, I discern the good from the bad(information) and make my own opinion...
[This message has been edited by RAveDuST (edited 14 November 2001).]
 
Be it pills, whizz, opiates, alcohol, cigarettes, food or whatever, there will always be people who do it too much. The reason that they do it too much is often because they are unhappy with another aspect of their lives.
It's sort of like Fat Bastard. He eats cuz he is unhappy, and he is unhappy cuz he eats. It's a vicious cycle. Or something along those lines.
So, I guess I don't really know exactly what I'm trying to say, but it's probably someting like this, if you're abusing drugs or whatever it gives you a different focus to your more basic general unhappiness. It gives you another reason to dump on yourself.
phew.
 
I figure you'll just know.
If you don't overdo things and need to pull yourself up, I figure if you're going to ever stop completely, it will only be because you just know that it's the right thing for you to do. Otherwise I forsee the usage to just lessen, maybe to a complete stop, maybe not. Who knows?
 
Maybe there is no 'right' time to stop?
I used to go through stages where i used pills and speed alot. Then i'll slow down a bit. Now I have a 2 month break between pills.
I've often thought about stopping but there is no real reason for me to stop. After 6 years i still love my pills as much as ever. They aren't the number one concern in my life. I enjoy life without them but i like them everynow and then as the icing on my cake.
I guess it's time to stop when they become your number one concern. When all you do is think about pills. Then again i've gone through stages like that when i was younger and grew out of it so maybe that isn't the right time to stop.
Maybe you won't even know when it's time to stop. I haven't had acid for 2 years (and i don't see myself taking it agin) and the last time i had it i didn't know it was going to be the last time. I just stopped taking it.
Oh fuck i don't know when the right time to stop...i don't think anybody does?
I guess you stop when you stop!
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'Life can only be understood backwards but it must be lived forward'
 
Very interesting thoughts by everyone.
I was thinking though, as this thread was dug up from 6 months ago, it would be even more interesting if anyone who posted back in May would look over what they wrote and see if they still agree with it. Whats changed? what hasnt?
6 months can be a long time, my guess some people would have changed the way they feel, however hopefully no one has had to
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I guess the time to stop for me was when i finished uni, got my head together and realised i had been using drugs for the last 3 years for all the wrong reasons. I had tried to escape the hurt caused by my own sensitivity and others lack thereof.
I had always thought that a weekly habit of anything as destructive as pills was a bad thing and that anyone who did this had underlying problems rather than just a liking for quick serotonin bursts. I hadnt really aligned myself with that point of view until i weighed up the damaging effect of weekly mdma use and thought "can i really be happy with my life if i continue to damage my brain on a weekly basis, knowing full well that the consequences would be harsh and possibly irreversible". This led me to conclude that i really needed to stop and get my priorities sorted out until i could responsibly use drugs without fear of dependence, be it psychological or emotional.
Now im not saying i forsake pills and so forth forever and i dont think that one can't avoid massive damage with moderation but if continual use is a fact of life then you have to look at what you are missing out in the rest of your life and really question why drug holds such an intense focus.
As i have always maintained but never continually held to :
"i only want to use drugs when i am feeling good and want to feel better"
 
Me old thread :)
I'm still no closer to determining a stop point (if that ever happens) - although in my mind i seem to have made the decision to never stop, just keep it in moderation, follow the 4L's ;) .
Since i first asked this question, i have practically stopped going out clubbing or raving (not that i was much of a "RaVaH" to begin with). It doesn't mean i don't still love electronica, nor does it mean i've changed friends, but as a person i've become a bit more serious about my lifestyle, health (physical and mental), my uni and subsequent possible career options and my time-management. I'm also well past all the goings-on that pass for a "scene".
The drugs are still there probably in a similar frequency (maybe a tad lessor amounts - altho there are budgetary constraints as well), altho the variety has probably expanded more and more as I wind my way down the path in the garden of drug experiementation. You don't settle for shit as easily as you may have in the past, you want bang for your buck. I'm definately not getting bored of drugs, there's way more out there than piss, pot and pills.
I know plenty of people who should have stopped, and some people who stopped merely because whatever they found in drug use just isn't there anymore, maybe they're the smart ones, maybe they're missing out. Some of the people who've stopped will come back, some will never stop until something seriously drastic happens.
I don't know anyone that has swapped the vice of one drug without picking up another. Eg give up bongs take up smoking, give up pills, take up red wine. Anyone that has stopped.. completely, gone straight edge, how did you do it? why did you do it? Do you regret getting involved in drugs at all?
Having spent the last couple of years growing up experimenting with a variety of drugs, its hard to imagine a future without them in some capacity, just adding their little touches and sparkle lights to the debaucherous nights of my fellow like-minded young adults. I probably won't stop personally, but then again ask me in a year and see if i feel the same way.
 
Something different works for everyone here, for me it's when the bad times outweigh the good that I'll give up...
:)
 
For me it was when I was enjoying not being straight. It wasn't the drugs that I need to stop, but the need to be off my face. It got to a stage when I would spend all week planning the next weekend, and I would only feel happy when I was on drugs, and the more munted I got the better I "felt". But then one night I had a moment of clarity and realised that I had become addicted to losing touch with reality on any drug. I realised that if I didn't stop things now they would spiral into a physical addiction.
 
I agree with Apollo here. Great thread BTW :)
When I go out, clubbing, or a rave, whatever, and I take pills, I have a great time... and usually go home and talk about that night out for the rest of the week... be it to my girlfriend... or you guys on ICQ.
I doubt I will ever need a 'break' as such.. as I only pill once every 7- 10 weeks. BUT - if for any reason associated with the pills... that I don't really enjoy myself.. or don't come home and think to myself how great the night was... then I will seriously look at taking a long step back from the scene... a break like a year would be what I am thinking..... and only after that... would I test the water again... and if it is still no fun then.. I would give it up... and persue something else... like... sport.. *wink*.
As an aside... any one here know why it STILL takes me 2.5 - 3.5 pills a night to get mashed? I only go out so infequently.. what's the go? Coz I feel bad when people say... if you need more than 2 pills a nite to get mashed.. then there is a problem... What's the problem?
Cheers
Pendulum
 
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