How do YOU determine which is a HARDER drug?

[MazDan]

They are both chemicals, if you get addicted it is from your actions, not the drug's. But that is just how I see it.

Pizza and strawberries are food; if I eat one it might be more harmful, but that doesn't mean it's a "hard" food. If I somehow get addicted to food, it is not the pizza's intention.

Hence are you suggesting that addiction is how you determine a drugs "hardness"?

 

[MazDan]

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Edit: Marijuana itself isn't a chemical strictly speaking..

No your right, its a plant, however its active ingredient is a chemical. Well actually all its ingredients are chemical structures i guess but you see what I mean.

 

[Damien]

I am surprised by how dangerous people think LSD is.

Damien can you expand on this cos I dont quite understand.

Do you mean toxicity based on an equal ammount of each and how screwed it gets you?

Or how easily one can OD and die on a given substance?

Toxicity based on the damage done to your body and brain caused by a normal recreational dose of a substance. Does that make sense?

 

[MistaSmokalot]

the only hard drug i know is called hard..

crackrox

h is hard as well

meth isn't as hard as I find it more disgusting,

but to some people ecstasy is some real hard, bad shit...I remember I told my doctor all the drugs I was experienced and I mean i said coke, lsd, mush all of the above and he said ecstasy was my worst choice ...

hard or addicting ?? or are they both the same?

 

[MazDan]

I am surprised by how dangerous people think LSD is.


Toxicity based on the damage done to your body and brain caused by a normal recreational dose of a substance. Does that make sense?

aha, yes absolutely.................although I suspect that one dose of anything is not going to do much whereas repeated doses can cause massive problems.

 

[Damien]

True, but that is how I tend to use drugs.

 

[Care]

Its interesting to see everyones different reactions to this question, almost no one agree's with each other 100%. Though in my mind I can see two distinct groups.

People that judge a drug based on the damage/effect of a single use, and people that judge it based on its potential to change your lifestyle through addiction or repeated use. I'm guessing it comes down to your own experiance and what drugs you've chosen to use.

 

[RexHunt]

Another diagram which I found interesting. This ideally is a scale of soft to hard imo.

 

[kILLzy]

Another diagram which I found interesting. This ideally is a scale of soft to hard imo.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[RexHunt]

Cool, ta. Only thing I don't agree with on that graph is Solvents. It should be higher on the physical harm scale.

 

[MazDan]

Interesting find Rex............can you provide a link please and also credit the site it came from?

I notice it doesant include Methamphetamine..............I suspect that would very possibly be causing a number 4 on both sides of the scale.

I guess everyone is different but i had a mate who was initially a heroin addict who then became addicted to coke and that had him fiending worse and prepared to do much worse things than his heroin addiction had.

He ended up on Meth and it appeared manageable but thankfully it was short lived before he was locked up for 3 years from past indescretions.

I think meth may well be the worst of all.


I notice that many people in there answers have suggested mdma as worse than weed but Im guessing its because they are young users and have not had the chance to see what happens to those who become slaves to weed.........and it happens a lot here in Australia..............Its not a pretty sight and it has happenned to a number of mates of mine now.

I have even more friends who use mdma regularly but not one has ever shown any problems from it. Short or long term.

So grass easily outstrips mdma from a danger point of view.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Hence are you suggesting that addiction is how you determine a drugs "hardness"?

I'm kind of confused by what you mean; in my earlier post I said that to me there are no "hard" drugs. Like if you take a drug maybe three or four times per year, I doubt you will suffer major health consequences, financial consequences, etc. If, however, you take a drug and you love it, you might do it many, many times per year, even per day. The drug is not something with intentions and emotions; heroin doesn't think to itself that it will turn someone into a junkie. It it the user's actions, not the drugs', that cause the most damage imo.

 

[kailinu]

I notice it doesant include Methamphetamine..............I suspect that would very possibly be causing a number 4 on both sides of the scale.

I agree : the graph doesn't include meth nor crack cocaine. Everybody knows crack cocaine is way more addictive than plain (snorted) cocaine hydrochloride. But I'm not sure meth and crack cocaine should deserve a 4 on this two scales although both would be much closer on both scales to heroine than cocaine and speed.

At the same time, I think meth and crack are much more prone to disorganize not only the lives of the addicts but also the live of their communities, because their behavior tends to be much more aggressive and dangerous than that of heroin addicts. And both drugs still don't have their "regulated" methadone counterpart.

 

[lifeguardsleeps]

Another diagram which I found interesting. This ideally is a scale of soft to hard imo.

i think that graph is pretty fucked up. i definitely think heroin should be at the very top for dependence because you do get addicted very fast, but i dont understand why it is so high on physical harm. i definitely think "solvents" are more physically harmful than heroin, if that means like huffing? i also think cannabis and lsd are too high on dependence. you cant even take acid like that often or it stops working so how can you be dependent on it. i think steroids should be way higher on physical harm too because they fuck up your hormones or something and can make you depressed and shrink your balls.

i think the graph is pretty retarded and doesnt make sense at all.

edit: and it also doesnt take into account how you are using the drug, id say eating pot is completely safe unless you are like driving or something so eating pot would be a 0, but smoking is bad for your lungs. i think smoking/snorting heroin isnt very dangerous... there is a lower chance of OD, so maybe a 1 on the danger scale, but shooting it is more dangerous and is like a 3 for physical harm. also crack cocaine versus snorting cocaine there is a big difference there.

 

[woodpecker]

If one could obtain properly synthed mdma with no adulterants then I would rate it less "hard " the other common chemicals only because it does not lend itself to DAILY use such as heroin or meth or coke. But being this isnt the case then I say it potentially is as bad as the other mentioned substances.

Cannabis however is medicine and should be treated as such. Recreational use in my opinion is just as bad as sucking on a glass stem for "fun".

Psychedellics are tools for self exploration and should also not be used for "fun"

 

[FlippingTop]

lol, included Alkyl Nirtites :D

for me those are way up there with the rest because they are just SO good! I must have a soft spot :D


It is very interesting to see how others rate drugs though...

What site did that graph come from? Some of the positions of drugs seem abit off... (solvents!?)

 

[MazDan]

I think you will find that the damage side of the graph is in reference to the damage seen in the community and solvent damage is rare thankfully.. Mind you, that would depend on the community of course.

 

[MazDan]

I'm kind of confused by what you mean; in my earlier post I said that to me there are no "hard" drugs. Like if you take a drug maybe three or four times per year, I doubt you will suffer major health consequences, financial consequences, etc. If, however, you take a drug and you love it, you might do it many, many times per year, even per day. The drug is not something with intentions and emotions; heroin doesn't think to itself that it will turn someone into a junkie. It it the user's actions, not the drugs', that cause the most damage imo.

Well I guess I didnt understand what you were saying..........you were talking about strawberrioes and the like and addiction and we are in a how do you rate drug hardness thread.

Maybe a better question I could put to you is to ask you to explain why you dont rate drugs hard or soft? There are a lot of other aspects of drugs other than addiction.

 

[discopupils]

yeah how are benzo's more harmful than tobacco?

 

[vajeeh]

If we're doing lists I'll give it a go.

Hardest at the bottom:

Cannabis
Psilocybe Mushrooms
Salvia/DMT
LSD
MDMA and it's family
Benzos
Cocaine (powder)
Speed
Heroin
Crack.

whoa whoa hold on there...crack is not a harder drug than heroin...try doing a gram of crack each day for a week, and then do the same for heroin, and see just how you feel the next few days when you stop each. thatll speak for itself