How do you deal with dealers blowing you off?

[Burnt Offerings]

Whoever said anything about the heroin around here being manufactured locally? I know that it's not. Almost all of it comes from Mexico. This conversation has nothing to do with the drug itself, it has to do with the organizational structure of heroin distribution, which is a separate issue...the conventional method of distribution (i.e. major whole distributer selling to ground-level affiliates like street gangs for distribution) simply doesn't exist here. there is no profit to be made for organized crime to set up shop in a big way here, unlike in, say, Los Angeles or Chicago. I live in fucking Interior Alaska. There isn't exactly a huge market for dope here and what market there is is dominated by small timers and addicts who are involved in the importation of drugs themselves, many times from Anchorage (where organized crime does exist). Which is why a single point of heroin costs about 5x as much as it would in many cities in the "lower 48" states.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Being a drug dealer is a worthless soul sucking job IMO (apart from legal ramifications). Everyone acts all friendly and smiles at you and pretends to like you, but if you didn't have the dope they couldn't give a shit whether you lived or died. Plus everyone seems to think that they're smarter than you are for some strange reason (although I've met plenty of stupid drug dealers, so maybe this prejudice has some basis in reality). That's without getting into the fact that (depending on the drug that's being sold) you're feeding someone's fucked up self-destructive substance habit...I mean everyone ultimately has to take responsibility for their own decisions and actions, but it can't feel good if you have any sort of conscience at all.

I disgaree. For a start, I don't think it's worthless, drugs have a huge amount of uses. I see drug dealing as just another business in the service industry, if you're a drug dealer you're providing a product that people want - at its core, that's all there is to it. You're right that people may act friendly but be ready to stab you in the back whenever it suits them, but that's why if I was a dealer I would do what all the best ones do, and just keep my business entirely seperate from my personal life. Don't think your customers are your friends, and don't sell to your actual friends (I probably wouldn't even tell them). Best to keep your business completely apart from your personal life to keep everything simpler. It puts you in a stronger position in the relationship if they think you're stupider than you actually are. I mean those two complaints - your customers being twofaced or your customers judging you - shouldn't really matter to you, as a dealer. They're just your customers, their opinion or how they act shouldn't matter to you, as long as your transactions go smoothly, who cares that they're judging you? They don't have to be your buddy, they just have to have the money for your product and thats it.

The part about feeding someone's habit - if I was selling heroin, I might have occasional twinges of guilt, especially if I'd heard a customer had died or I saw them go downhill (I've seen far too many people have their soul ripped out by heroin already), but mostly it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't be a pusher - as a dealer, people come to you, you don't have to hang around on the streets giving out free samples, people will seek you out. People are always going to do drugs, I honestly don't think dealers have to be immoral people. People who own liquor stores shoudn't have a clouded conscience because of the alcoholic that comes in every morning, people who own hardware stores shouldn't be kept up at night because some depressed dude drank drain cleaner that you sold them - the demand for drugs will never go away, and neither will the people supplying it. If I was a dealer I honestly wouldn't feel bad about it whatsoever, it's like you said - people have to take responsibility for their own actions, not for the actions of others. This is all thinking about it as a heroin supplier though, if I dealt any other substance, I wouldn't even have to justify it in my own mind, I wouldn't even begin to feel bad about dealing.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Whoever said anything about the heroin around here being manufactured locally? I know that it's not. Almost all of it comes from Mexico. This conversation has nothing to do with the drug itself, it has to do with the organizational structure of heroin distribution, which is a separate issue...the conventional method of distribution (i.e. major whole distributer selling to ground-level affiliates like street gangs for distribution) simply doesn't exist here. there is no profit to be made for organized crime to set up shop in a big way here, unlike in, say, Los Angeles or Chicago. I live in fucking Interior Alaska. There isn't exactly a huge market for dope here and what market there is is dominated by small timers and addicts who are involved in the importation of drugs themselves. Which is why a single point of heroin costs about 5x as much as it would in many cities in the "lower 48" states.

You've misunderstood what i'm saying. Heroin production is dominated by organized crime gangs - if your heroin comes from Mexico, it's most likely the cartel that produced it in the first place. They most likely sold it to another criminal outfit who distributes it nationally. This is what I meant by if you go up the chain it wouldn't take long to find organized crime. You seemed to be implying the heroin in your area is somehow seperate from the heroin produced everywhere else in that its totally untouched by organized crime.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

This is what I meant by if you go up the chain it wouldn't take long to find organized crime.

Of course if you go back far enough in any drug supply chain you'll eventually find major wholesale distributers

I guess I'm not being effective at communicating what I'm trying to say in regards to this topic, so I guess I'll just leave it there.

As far as dealing goes, yeah, it's a job or a service or whatever you want to classify it as...I don't expect to be friends with the guy who pushes a plastic tray towards me in a fast food restaurant. I don't expect to be friends with someone who washes my car or fixes something broken or does any number of other things for me, all I ask is that you don't pretend to be my friend when you're obviously not. That shit irritates me. Honestly the illegal drug scene in general has contributed to me becoming a pretty bitter and cynical person in general.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

I guess I'm not being effective at communicating what I'm trying to say in regards to this topic, so I guess I'll just leave it there.

As far as dealing goes, yeah, it's a job or a service or whatever you want to classify it as...I don't expect to be friends with the guy who pushes a plastic tray towards me in a fast food restaurant. I don't expect to be friends with someone who washes my car or fixes something broken or does any number of other things for me, all I ask is that you don't pretend to be my friend when you're obviously not. That shit irritates me. Honestly the illegal drug scene in general has contributed to me becoming a pretty bitter and cynical person in general.

If you agree with me then why did you feel the need to talk about your area as if it contradicts what I'm saying?

 

[TheRapperGoneBad]

As far as dealing goes, yeah, it's a job or a service or whatever you want to classify it as...I don't expect to be friends with the guy who pushes a plastic tray towards me in a fast food restaurant. I don't expect to be friends with someone who washes my car or fixes something broken or does any number of other things for me, all I ask is that you don't pretend to be my friend when you're obviously not. That shit irritates me. Honestly the illegal drug scene in general has contributed to me becoming a pretty bitter and cynical person in general.

Pretend to be your friend as in?

Like they all want to deal with a dick all day lol

Everything goes smoother when both parties are cool homies or not

And I'd say it's prolly frying out your feel good chems.

(Not trying to come at you just speaking in general.)

I hate when my dealer thinks he Billy badass head honcho with a fuckin 1/2 piece or some shit,
a lil common courtesy goes a long way.

 

[Erikmen]

You can be certain that if you went higher up the chain of heroin distributors you would very, very quickly find organized crime.

True. And dangerous..

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Pretend to be your friend as in?

Like they all want to deal with a dick all day lol

Everything goes smoother when both parties are cool homies or not

And I'd say it's prolly frying out your feel good chems.

(Not trying to come at you just speaking in general.)

I hate when my dealer thinks he Billy badass head honcho with a fuckin 1/2 piece or some shit,
a lil common courtesy goes a long way.

hey man I've disagreed with him in this thread too but I don't think he's a dick, he seems like a cool guy to me. That seemed pretty harsh and uncalled for.

 

[burn out]

Thanks guys. I'm just talking about high quality weed. Still no answer from my dealer and I've reupped from someone else for the time being. It's a little frustrating to me because I was always said to be a friend of the dealer but then they put me through the shit.

The problem I feel is they don't really need my business because they have a full time job but they still sell to help friends out.

If its just weed then I recommend simply buying as much as you can afford when you have access to good stuff and then starting to look for more a few days before you actually run out, that way you can afford to wait and be selective.

Now when it comes to cocaine or heroin, that's obviously not nearly as easy to do unless you're exceedingly wealthy. But the advice given so far in this thread has been quite good.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

If you agree with me then why did you feel the need to talk about your area as if it contradicts what I'm saying?

My point was that the system of drug distribution operates differently because it's mostly wilderness here and it's not in or near any major drug trafficking highways that flow through the USA from Mexico. Wouldn't that make sense, that the kind of street distribution in, say, New York City would be different from the way drugs are distributed locally in than it is is you've-never-heard-of-this-place, in the middle of Alaska? I can't think of any reason why a drug trafficking organization would set up shop here. In parts of the extremely rural USA it is different. People still want drugs, of course, and it is still somewhat profitable to sell them here, but there is just such a limited market compared to a place with, y'know, people living in it. So usually it involves small time drug addicts who actually go to the nearest population center where there is a significant criminal presence (for Alaskans it would be Seattle, or other west coast cities like LA), get the drugs and travel back with them to do themselves and also share with a (relatively small) group of fellow users. Or get their drugs mailed to them, mostly not deep web related but deep web did raise the popularity of this) Which, from what I've read on BL from posters who live in places like, say, Atlanta or Baltimore, is very different than how it works in other parts of the United States.

I've never argued and never would argue that, ultimately, if you traced the drugs back to their source, it would end with the major drug syndicates, except for marijuana and (sometimes) methamphetamine, that just seems obvious to me.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Pretend to be your friend as in?

Like they all want to deal with a dick all day lol

Everything goes smoother when both parties are cool homies or not

And I'd say it's prolly frying out your feel good chems.

(Not trying to come at you just speaking in general.)

I hate when my dealer thinks he Billy badass head honcho with a fuckin 1/2 piece or some shit,
a lil common courtesy goes a long way.

Nah, I just like very really simple relationships. When I was in school, in college, when I was 18 and first started buying drugs on a regular basis (just weed at this point) there was one kid I had as a connect and we'd just meet at a defined location, usually on foot but sometimes he'd pull up to me in a vehicle, we exchanged money & weed, and we'd part ways. I doubt I said a total of 5 sentences to that kid, lol. I yearn for that kind of relationship with a drug dealer again, not this hanging around shit like there's any reason other fact that me and this other person are hanging out right now other than the fact that one of us is buying drugs... it's certainly not the good fucking company that's for sure.

 

[Pibolar]

Nah, I just like very really simple relationships. When I was in school, in college, when I was 18 and first started buying drugs on a regular basis (just weed at this point) there was one kid I had as a connect and we'd just meet at a defined location, usually on foot but sometimes he'd pull up to me in a vehicle, we exchanged money & weed, and we'd part ways. I doubt I said a total of 5 sentences to that kid, lol. I yearn for that kind of relationship with a drug dealer again, not this hanging around shit like there's any reason other fact that me and this other person are hanging out right now other than the fact that one of us is buying drugs... it's certainly not the good fucking company that's for sure.

I understand man. Nobody wants to go buy drugs, then feel compelled to hang around someone they already feel uncomfortable around.

 

[Erikmen]

Yep. That's how I see it.

 

[WatchaKnow702]

When I was doing H it was the Longest waits and alot of Bullshit like " I'll be there in 15" so we go to the Spot and wait for almost 2 hours sometimes and every time we hit the bitch back they say "I'm leaving my house now" (which is less than 5 away) and it's over an hour later. Got sick of that shit real quick. Sitting around in an area in your car for 30+ mins draws attention that I'm not looking for.

You need new associates. Plenty of people got High Grade stuff nowadays so bring your business to someone who wants your money. He will fail in the end with his weak hustle.
Been doing Ice only a few months and already have a Good Plug on some Pure and he's always down to sell no matter the time.
This lame thinks he has a hold on you and you will wait Days for him lol

 

[Sprout]

How do you purchase your gear from the same person for 4 years and not ever think about other people?
Jeez, I can't be in a 4 year relationship with the same person, let alone frequently buy drugs from.

 

[Erikmen]

You need new associates. Plenty of people got High Grade stuff nowadays so bring your business to someone who wants your money.

Or not. I mean, you can change this!

 

[TheRapperGoneBad]

Nah, I just like very really simple relationships. When I was in school, in college, when I was 18 and first started buying drugs on a regular basis (just weed at this point) there was one kid I had as a connect and we'd just meet at a defined location, usually on foot but sometimes he'd pull up to me in a vehicle, we exchanged money & weed, and we'd part ways. I doubt I said a total of 5 sentences to that kid, lol. I yearn for that kind of relationship with a drug dealer again, not this hanging around shit like there's any reason other fact that me and this other person are hanging out right now other than the fact that one of us is buying drugs... it's certainly not the good fucking company that's for sure.

Ha I guess I can feel you on that

hey man I've disagreed with him in this thread too but I don't think he's a dick, he seems like a cool guy to me. That seemed pretty harsh and uncalled for.

I didn't even mean it as in he's a dick I was just speaking in general about dealers an buyers as I said in that post.
You just gotta read the whole thing.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Nah, I just like very really simple relationships. When I was in school, in college, when I was 18 and first started buying drugs on a regular basis (just weed at this point) there was one kid I had as a connect and we'd just meet at a defined location, usually on foot but sometimes he'd pull up to me in a vehicle, we exchanged money & weed, and we'd part ways. I doubt I said a total of 5 sentences to that kid, lol. I yearn for that kind of relationship with a drug dealer again, not this hanging around shit like there's any reason other fact that me and this other person are hanging out right now other than the fact that one of us is buying drugs... it's certainly not the good fucking company that's for sure.

I'm with you on that, even the workers at the dispensary are usually annoying (or the other patients at the very least).

Based on "Drugs Inc" and some Gang documentaries I'd have to disagree about the Alaska thing, unless it's really in the wilderness. They were trying to make a case for gangs having set up shop there based on the open territory and high prices for drugs. I think the one I saw was in Anchorage, which is probably the only place in Alaska with a healthy drug market, but maybe Juneau or another medium city/town.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Are you talking about "black tar heroin rush"? I watched that documentary too if you are. Anchorage is different from the rest of Alaska, the population is around 250 000 - 300 000, while the next largest city has about 28 000 people in it. So yeah, it's kind of an anomaly. The fact that they featured a lady who liked smoking crack was probably a testament to that fact...I was born in & have lived in Alaska for my entire life, and I've never once been offered crack cocaine. (Powder) cocaine, meth (which is everywhere), heroin, every kind of pill, you name it, but never crack.