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How do we bring MDMA to the masses?

Alphanumeric,

I agree with you, that there are certain people that should not be allowed to take MDMA, just because they will roll until they have the last serotonin molecule left in their brain and then they will post-load with 5 HTP and roll some more ;) However, how do you separate people who should and should not roll ... Unless you consider licensing which will just open the doors for fraud etc, there is no way to legalize it. On the other hand, and maybe I am being selfish here, it is really not my problem that somebody cannot control themselves, and I would like to enjoy E responsibly without social stigma and a possibility of ruiing my life and going to jail. The parallel would be, should we ban McDonals, cause some fat broad from suburbs is stuffing burgers without regard for cholesterol and the fact that her kids deserve a healthy mother? So my verdict: make it legal. Do I want it to be brought it to the masses, not sure, one would think that this drug won't be a miracle anymore, cause everybody tried it, but the more people i share my e experience with the more of a miracle MDMA seems to be.
 
nubXer said:
Just an FYI...intelligence has nothing to do with E...I have a 4.0 this semester in college and my cum GPA is 3.85.
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Oh...and for the record...I use once a month..;)
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Grades have nothing to do with intelligence, they are merely a representation of how much work you completed in school. School is limited to what the government allows you to learn. If you think you're intelligent because you goto school, theres alot you have to learn still. Take an IQ test, mine is 152. Genius level. And for the record, I've rolled 6 weekends in a row, between 30 - 50 pills this summer. The pills were just floating through all summer. (And NO Im not proud of that)

Alex1 said:
not a very wise thing to say, i think.
everything CAN be a drug...and no one is promoting it in here, i think.
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And Alex1... why do you say drugs are good for you?? Did you actually think about that before you said that?

Here is the definition of drugs:
Main Entry: drug
Pronunciation: 'dr&g
Function: noun
1 a : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication b according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device
2 : something and often an illicit substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness

After reading the definition you should know that everything CAN'T be a drug. ;) Thanks for reading, I've hope you've become more intelligent after listening to my words.

Peace. Party Safe.
Ecsta-to-the-muthafuckin-Steve-WHUT!
 
honestly, i'm not sure legalizing MDMA would be a good idea. too many people that couldn't limit themselves and do some real damage to their brains. but sitting here in the states, the worst part about it is trying to convince my friends of its positive aspects. i mean, imagine finding a substance that has changed you for the better as a person, and that you feel so passionate about, but having people just kind of give you the same shit about 'i don't know, that stuff is dangerous' and then they go drink to blackout every other weekend. i just don't GET it!
 
ecstasteve said:
Grades have nothing to do with intelligence, they are merely a representation of how much work you completed in school. School is limited to what the government allows you to learn. If you think you're intelligent because you goto school, theres alot you have to learn still. Take an IQ test, mine is 152. Genius level. And for the record, I've rolled 6 weekends in a row, between 30 - 50 pills this summer. The pills were just floating through all summer. (And NO Im not proud of that)
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Having spent 2 years of university surrounded by some of the cleverest people in the UK, its my opinion (and experience) that there is also a long way from having a high IQ and being a genius. Another forum I reside on had a 5 page debate about that, where my PoV was although a high IQ may signify someone as very clever, there is a big jump (and I mean big) to someone being a genius. IQ scores mean very little due to their general nature, rather than focusing in on a persons particular talent (plus half the questions are either stupid or don't have a definate answer, they rely on you thinking as the person who wrote the test does, and often a genius wouldn't). Someone can very very good, even amazing at something, but only geniuses make those people look "average", and there are few of that kind of people about (or it wouldn't be the lofty mantle is it if too many people were geniuses). Not to insult you or anything, but unless you've compared yourself to an actual genius in whatever it is you're really good at, its impossible to say if you're "genius" or just "very clever". To most people there isn't a difference, but to those who are "very clever" and "genius" the difference is easy to spot, sometimes staggeringly so. I'm amazed at how clever some of the people I have lectures with are, and I could never hope to even get close to their ability, seeing as the top few are cleverer than the lecturers, and have long since stopped hoping I'm a "genius" in anything (having never taken a proper IQ test).
Anyway....
Alex1 said:
not a very wise thing to say, i think.
everything CAN be a drug...and no one is promoting it in here, i think.
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I'm pretty such Ecstasteve was refering to the kind of chemicals which people take as a means of recreational enjoyment. You were just being picky ;)
C10H12N20 said:
However, how do you separate people who should and should not roll ... Unless you consider licensing which will just open the doors for fraud etc, there is no way to legalize it.
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There in lies the problem :\

Perhaps if I just stopped caring about society as a whole (after all, I've lost most of my faith in mankind anyway) and looked at it from a personal point of view then, yes, I'd like MDMA to be legalised so I don't have friends comment about it and I don't have to worry about the legal ramifications if I'm caught. Overall though, I think it would result in a fair few people getting themselves into semi-perminant bad states from abuse :(
 
ecstasteve said:
Grades have nothing to do with intelligence, they are merely a representation of how much work you completed in school. School is limited to what the government allows you to learn. If you think you're intelligent because you goto school, theres alot you have to learn still. Take an IQ test, mine is 152. Genius level. And for the record, I've rolled 6 weekends in a row, between 30 - 50 pills this summer. The pills were just floating through all summer. (And NO Im not proud of that)
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ecstasteve- I am in no way saying that GPA is the sole measure of a person's intelligence, tho it is a reflector of sorts -whether you would like to admit it or not. It isn't about how much work is completed but rather the QUALITY of which it was completed. As for my IQ ---it's a 121. :p . And for someone with such a "Genius" IQ, you aren't being very intelligent with your E use- just because pills are floating around all summer doesn't mean you gotta take em.. Please pace yourself.....

And one more thing..You might want to be a little more pleasant in your posts...you seem to be coming off a bit rough. Just MO.


Back on topic...I'm unsure about the legalization of MDMA...On one hand it would be safer, but on the other.. there needs to be hefty amounts of education to go with it. They can't just go releasing it without harm reduction programs and such in place..IMO.
 
I say forget about bringing MDMA to the masses. We can continue to "get incredible kicks" off a substance that most people are ignorant about. Let people think what they want about MDMA. Most people are just too afraid that the drug might shatter their little minds or something. Their fear turns to anger, and their anger turns to hate, and the next thing you know you have all these self righteous ignorant losers with nothing better to do then try to prevent people from getting high by spreading lies.
I consider myself lucky to have discovered MDMA and have learned how to do it responsibly. I try to enlighten as many people as I can about the drug, but if people don't want to listen, then I don't try very hard to convince them otherwise. I have friends who think it's alright to drink alcohol to the point where they black out, but they somehow think that doing MDMA would be worse for their brain. They just don't want to hear my logic, and I've given up on trying to convince them.
On the other hand, the people I've introduced to MDMA are very grateful, and none of them have regretted the experience.
 
OK so we dont legalize MDMA, so one should continue breaking the law? Have at least some faith in the legal system, I would at least like to think i am a law-abiding citizen... So now I am just like the criminals that murder and rob? So maybe now I should start doing that too? I am a criminal anyways....

There lies the problem with MDMA. It is so good that one will go a distance and break the law, I see there is a lot of smart people here, high IQs, GPAs some people just sound smart ;) I, for myself, finished college when I was 19. People like us taking drugs, that's what is government afraid of... You can almost make an argument drugs are the gateway for law-abiding citizens to the criminal world. And that is why I strongly stay by my opinion, make MDMA (and certain other drugs) legal!!!

In terms of bringing MDMA to the masses, there I think it is not necessary. I dont think MDMA advertising should be allowed, cause you know it will go out of proportion...
 
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"I consider myself lucky to have discovered MDMA and have learned how to do it responsibly. I try to enlighten as many people as I can about the drug, but if people don't want to listen, then I don't try very hard to convince them otherwise. I have friends who think it's alright to drink alcohol to the point where they black out, but they somehow think that doing MDMA would be worse for their brain. They just don't want to hear my logic, and I've given up on trying to convince them.
On the other hand, the people I've introduced to MDMA are very grateful, and none of them have regretted the experience."

well said, sOnic.

full legalization will never happen, nor should it. but to allow it to be used in psychiatric treatment (as shulgin saw its most valuable use to be) and to have it 'somewhat' available on the black market, and with penalties that are a bit less draconian than what are currently on the U.S. books.
 
Thanks. I'm an advocate for the full legalization of MDMA for adults. If it was legal then the truth about the pros and cons of the drug would be a lot more clear, and I think that in the end people would use it more responsibly. Not to mention the fact that impurities in "black market" pills would be eliminated which would make ecstasy much less dangerous.
 
Psilo707 said:
If you've rolled 6 weekends in a row and you consider yourself at genius level.... rofl... better think again.
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I must admit, I rolled last weekend before my classes started and I felt pretty retarded all week. I'm just starting to feel normal again. Rolling 6 weekends in a row would probably require about 2 months of recovery. Nothing anyone should ever do.
 
Psilo707 said:
If you've rolled 6 weekends in a row and you consider yourself at genius level.... rofl... better think again.
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You dont know me so dont judge me, watch your fucking mouth. When you can see at my level talk to me, otherwise don't open your mouth. You don't know me and you'll never know me- you can put that on my real homies. Because I do drugs that automatically makes it so Im an idiot is that what you think. Don't put anyone down for doing drugs, why are you at this site? To learn about/ read/ ask questions about DRUG USE. You gonna condemn me for drug use? Fuck you, unless you know me you can't say a fucking word to me about my drug use. Ive rolled 7 weeks in a row now, I pop pills you gotta problem with it too fuckin bad mind your own business. Anyone else wanna talk shit about my drug use, well guess what I don't give a fuck!!! I distribute my thoughts and knowledge to this site, as well as PR for the purpose of acknowledging others on what I already know.

Oh and by the way, I dont consider myself at genius level. I am a fucking genius and if you don't like that too bad. I can do things that you will never know.
 
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And Alex1... why do you say drugs are good for you?? Did you actually think about that before you said that?

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i don't bother to read your boring definition, i am very sorry. apparently you don't understand that it's not because i don't fully agree with you saying " drugs are bad for you" that i believe that drugs are good for you. But apparently you don't understand that, so in your case it's true!! drugs are bad for you.
 
ecstasteve said:
You dont know me so dont judge me, watch your fucking mouth. When you can see at my level talk to me, otherwise don't open your mouth. You don't know me and you'll never know me- you can put that on my real homies. Because I do drugs that automatically makes it so Im an idiot is that what you think. Don't put anyone down for doing drugs, why are you at this site? To learn about/ read/ ask questions about DRUG USE. You gonna condemn me for drug use? Fuck you, unless you know me you can't say a fucking word to me about my drug use. Ive rolled 7 weeks in a row now, I pop pills you gotta problem with it too fuckin bad mind your own business. Anyone else wanna talk shit about my drug use, well guess what I don't give a fuck!!! I distribute my thoughts and knowledge to this site, as well as PR for the purpose of acknowledging others on what I already know.

Oh and by the way, I dont consider myself at genius level. I am a fucking genius and if you don't like that too bad. I can do things that you will never know.
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a genius wouldnt abuse somone like that, and most certainly not confuse typing, with 'opening ones mouth'
 
ecstasteve - abusing people isn't very nice, you know. And certainly not the way to convey your point in an eloquent, convincing manner.
 
ecstasteve said:
Oh and by the way, I dont consider myself at genius level. I am a fucking genius and if you don't like that too bad. I can do things that you will never know.
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And there are things some of us can do you will never know/be able to, thats the nature of being individual.
Its just that saying you are a genius from an IQ test isn't much. What are you a genius at? Got to excel at something. I'm very good at maths, better than most, but I'm not a genius at it. University (a top one in the UK) opened my eyes to that. There I've met some real geniuses, those who make even their college peers (ie me) look "average" by comparison. There's a huge jump from being very good at something and being a genius at it. They are few and far between, even at uni.

Anyway, this is off topic.......
ecstasteve said:
When put anyone down for doing drugs, why are you at this site?
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Perhaps he worded it slightly badly. We are here to give advice and comments. If someone is seen to be "over doing it" somewhat, we are here to perhaps raise a flag (often people don't see what they are doing to themselves) and offer advice about it. Sure he worded his "flag" a little badly, but the point is still valid. Usage like that is not healthy, be you a genius or be you the village idiot (or even a weather girl). You know it was wrong, its just important not to do that again, thats all.
 
VelocideX said:
ecstasteve - abusing people isn't very nice, you know. And certainly not the way to convey your point in an eloquent, convincing manner.
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Well I try not to be a dick, but sometimes I have to. Sorry if I posted against guidelines by flaming or something.

Ill tell u what im a genius at, im a head computer technician for a computer company at age 20. I've been working there as a tech since i was 12. Ive been using a computer since I was 3 or 4, I wrote my first basic program at age 6. I went into kindergarten reading at a 4th grade level, and doing multiplication tables. If my parents werent too fucked up on drugs they might have noticed something different about me. Thats where my older sister came in, she taught me everything at such a young age. I used to stay an hour after school every day in the 3rd grade to learn geometry and algebra. But check it out, it doesnt matter - none of that matters. This is the internet, nobody knows me, everyone is full of shit on the internet. I could be full of shit too and that doubt in everyones mind blinds them to the fact that I may be a genius. I dont care what you guys think of me, I give no fucks or shits about your thoughts. Im here to give information on what I know and experienced in life so it may steer someone in the right direction. I had someone experienced to ask about drugs, and Im glad I did. Alot of people I know have become tweekers, luckily my friend introduced me to shrooms first, well since than im a hallucinagenic fiend. And, I've done about every drug but speed. And PCP too but thats only cuz i never found it yet. The Internet is for people to hide themselves behind a fuckin screen and talk shit. These people wouldnt come up to me and call me an idiot. As soon as they started talking to me, they would know ya im a smart motherfucker. Well if I pissed anyone off Im sorry, I say what I feel and feel what I say. If you didnt look at the fact that I rolled 8 weekends in a row most of you wouldnt have even thought as me being an idiot or whatever.

I know other geniuses and we share traits that I've never seen anyone have or do. The things I can do with my mind are just fuckin unreal. I don't believe it myself sometimes, I'm very good at leaving my body and doin whatever I want at basically anytime (OBE). I can cook dinner, eat, and then not be hungry afterwords (when im back in my body) without even moving. The mind is the most powerful tool, and I learned how to use mine in such a way that its very scary. Most couldn't handle it, Im sure. To prove myself, last week my friend lost his wallet at a hotel room, they tore the room apart looking for it before I even got there. They checked everywhere, one of my other friends was there that I know very closely and knows about my OBEs and that I can control them. He asked me to find the wallet so I go sit down, then in my mind I got up and found the wallet (took about 10 minutes of me searching). So then in real life, I got up and grabbed the wallet like I knew where it was the whole time. Believe this or not I don't care, but if your mind is this powerful email me. We got some shit to talk about, I have found no one with this capability. I have people that swear by me, they know Im a genius and ask, as well as highly value, my opinion on everything.

Sorry for the long post. Most won't read it anyways.
 
This is all off-topic. Irrespective of how smart you allege to be, bragging about how often you do drugs accomplishes nothing. Moreover it conveys the impression that such levels of drug use are safe, when for most people they'd find they would suffer from such excessive usage.

So much for harm reduction.

Back to the topic at hand...
 
ecstasteve said:
And for the record, I've rolled 6 weekends in a row, between 30 - 50 pills this summer. The pills were just floating through all summer. (And NO Im not proud of that)
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Doesnt sound like bragging much does it. Well to stay on topic, it shouldn't be brought to the masses, maybe tolerated or decriminalized but not brought to the masses. It should have the same criminalization as mary jane, misdameanor not a felony. Unless your a dealer- then they fuck you no matter what.
 
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