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How dangerous is Ecstasy anyway?

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I haven't really read up on it much because for whatever reason I've always assumed it's pretty dangerous, not just ecstasy itself-though I always just thought it's pretty dangerous on its own- but especially not knowing what they cut it with. Some people put other things you might want in it like zolpidem, but who knows maybe someone finds dog shit with salmonella, tape worm, round worm, flatworm, and e. coli and puts that in their batch, right?

I was just wondering; how easy is it to OD for a person of average health, is it neurotoxic at all itself, and what are the most dangerous aspects of it(don't lie, everything has SOME danger to it).

Sorry if this was already covered somewhere but I couldn't find it.
 
Never heard of pills cut with salmonella. I've gotten salmonella from peanut butter I bought from Walmart, but never from pills. The only people I know who put zolpidem in their pills are the makers of ambien, and they can suck a dick.

Sometime they'll be cut with/something else entirely besides MDMA. Piperazines, ketamine, amphetamines, all not MDMA but still not going to do much harm, just perhaps leave you a little disappointed.

You have to take quite a bit to overdose. I'm unsure of the exact amount but I've seen 4-5 pokeballs dropped before and it can get intense, but no dying. The most dangerous parts are it's mass depletion of your serotonin (especially if abused) and other misc. chemicals (dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin) but moderation is the key. Also, if you keep redosing through the night, the serotonin runs out and dopamine starts getting taken up in the serotonin receptors, causing a highly toxic reaction. This is what gives people such a hangover the next day.
 
^ I see. What exactly is the physical dependence potential with pure MDMA (obviously if it's cut with heroin or whatever you can get addicted to what you think is just X)?
 
MDMA will not cause any physical withdrawal "sickness" in the sense that opiates do. I mean I'm sure if somebody were to consume MDMA on a daily basis for an extended period of time, there would be a period of physiological adjustment afterward, but people don't need to keep consuming MDMA to avoid getting withdrawal symptoms.
 
^ Well I'm getting more interested. I'd better start reading up on it. I read about any drugs I'm interested in even if I never plan to use them. It's always a bit sad when you have D.A.R.E. and cops and teachers all thinking weed is so bad or alcohol kills brain cells even if you drink just a little. Looks to be the same with ecstasy.
 
MDMA is one of the more forgiving substances.. You can dose higher than you wanted to and still have a good night, the comedown will be harder than a smaller dose, but that's how all drugs are.

You mentioned pills being cut with heroin....stuff like that just doesn't happen. The whole point of cutting pills down is to save product, and in turn, save money. Cutting a pill with heroin does the opposite of that, because heroin is just too damn pricey.
Common cuts are piperazine, ketamine, caffiene and amphetamines.
I have NEVER heard of people cutting product with disease...it's just bad for business..

I recommend that you check out the directory. It is the place to look for this info. After all, it's titled "Everything you want to know about Ecstasy"..
 
The Network said:
^ I see. What exactly is the physical dependence potential with pure MDMA (obviously if it's cut with heroin or whatever you can get addicted to what you think is just X)?
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MDMA would never be cut with heroin, it's not economical. Same goes with Zolpidem. Added to that, no one is going to cut a pill with dog shit or salmonella. Yes, there are a great many of bastards in this world, but drug dealers are out for money, and you're not going to get money if you cut your product with more expensive products, or if you're killing your customers.

No physical dependence issues with MDMA. Some people who take it daily/weekly/bi-weekly suffer from big psychological issues though.

Main dangers when taking MDMA are dehydration, which is why people drink lots of water when on MDMA. Some people drink a little too much water, and get H2O poisoning. Over-heating and getting hypothermea are problems when on MDMA - the drug makes it hard to regulate your body heat, and if you're dancing at a sweaty club or out in the snow, it is possible you could get too hot or too cold. Other dangers include mixing with other drugs that don't mix well (such as getting serotonin syndrome from mixing MDMA + DXM), liver problems from over-taxing your liver (Mixing too much MDMA and Alcohol), depersonalization and panic attacks. Heart attacks are also possible, but I've only ever heard of that happening to a friend of mine who suspects he OD'd on Meth (cut).

LD50 of MDMA is 80mg/kg (they haven't done a lot of research on this, but I believe this is what it is) so in order to OD, you'd have to be taking a shit ton of MDMA. Most people only take 50-250mgs in a night, and other push it to around 1g a night, but either way it is highly unlikely you're going to OD from MDMA unless you do something really silly.
 
NationOfThizzlam said:
You mentioned pills being cut with heroin....stuff like that just doesn't happen. The whole point of cutting pills down is to save product, and in turn, save money. Cutting a pill with heroin does the opposite of that, because heroin is just too damn pricey.
Common cuts are piperazine, ketamine, caffiene and amphetamines.
I have NEVER heard of people cutting product with disease...it's just bad for business..
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Yeah I kinda knew that but it was the only highly addictive thing I could think of at that time. I'm not talking about cutting it with bacteria, that's just stupid, I'm talking about like sand, dirt, whatever there is that might have that bacteria or whatever.


Legerity said:
Yeah there's a lot of misinformation. Here's a great site:

http://www.thedea.org/

Now go read up ;)
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Hahaa I looked at the stats chart on that site and... 110K visits to the EMERGENCY ROOM because of MARIJUANA? lolwut

Reminds me of that off-duty cop calling 911 because he was super stoned on some good brownies "TIME IS GOING BY REALLLY REALLLLLY SLOW AND I THINK I'M DYING... ma'am i think we're dead"
 
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K-Dazed said:
MDMA would never be cut with heroin, it's not economical. Same goes with Zolpidem. Added to that, no one is going to cut a pill with dog shit or salmonella. Yes, there are a great many of bastards in this world, but drug dealers are out for money, and you're not going to get money if you cut your product with more expensive products, or if you're killing your customers..
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Dont say Never bud, because you NEVER know.
 
It is a safe assumption, IMO, to assume that Heroin will NEVER be in MDMA. My opinion.

Better?

Only a fucking retard would cut MDMA with Heroin.
 
K-Dazed said:

Only a fucking retard would cut MDMA with Heroin.
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Hey now let's not call me a retard 8).
Well I guess if I get the chance and I know my source I'll try it sometime. Other than if a friend gives me one at a party I don't plan to go out and look for it anyway.
 
mdma is safe in terms of lethality (you wont die), but it can DESTROY your cognition and memory and therefore your very essence and soul....

It is pretty well accepted even by pro drug users that it is toxic to the brain, however the rate of use it takes for this to manifest is different for every user.

Limit it to 4 times a year at low doses and not mixed with anything if your going to have to try it. Just be informed that there is a risk to your brain in taking it, however if you must you wont die.
 
bben said:
mdma is safe in terms of lethality (you wont die), but it can DESTROY your cognition and memory and therefore your very essence and soul....

It is pretty well accepted even by pro drug users that it is toxic to the brain, however the rate of use it takes for this to manifest is different for every user.

Limit it to 4 times a year at low doses and not mixed with anything if your going to have to try it. Just be informed that there is a risk to your brain in taking it, however if you must you wont die.
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if taken correctly, i dont see any problem it poses to your brain. watch the documentary on youtube called ecstasy rising. shows people who took it correctly for years and are just fine
 
pnut3844 said:
if taken correctly, i dont see any problem it poses to your brain. watch the documentary on youtube called ecstasy rising. shows people who took it correctly for years and are just fine
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how many people take it correctly though? very very few. And if you abuse it, it can destroy you it takes YEARS to recover unlike most other drugs excluding its cousin methamphetamine. Im just saying i didnt use it correctly and took huge doses just a FEW times and it fucked my memory royally and permanently.
 
bben said:
how many people take it correctly though? very very few. And if you abuse it, it can destroy you it takes YEARS to recover unlike most other drugs excluding its cousin methamphetamine. Im just saying i didnt use it correctly and took huge doses just a FEW times and it fucked my memory royally and permanently.
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hey you are preaching to the choir lol i abused it for 4 years so i know what you mean. but as i said, taken right it seems to pose no major problems
 
Thats huge amounts of studies and meta-reviews of studies, some saying ecstasy is risky
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1553-2712.2004.tb01438.x/pdf

Some unsure due to the differences in the way previous studies were undertaken.

Heres one meta analytical review, focusing on cognitive impairment studies
http://www.hta.nhs.uk/fullmono/mon1306.pdf
Conclusions on Page 174

I spent about a week reading through as many papers as I could get hold (and trying to understand them - im not a scientist) a couple of years ago, only to find that noone reaslly knows, outside of people dying, there are quite a few instances of people suffering from other phenomena, but I balance that against the amount of ecstasy taken through the years. Us pillheads have scoffed huge amounts of pills and mdma, like the greedy drug guinea pigs we are. We love nothing more than chomping on little pills, and pulling faces at each other while dancing like crazed pie eyed loons to repetitive music designed to enhance the ecstasy guinea pig loon dancing experience.
People have died, other people have had other things happen affecting liver and kidney function all sorts of things, every time you drop a pill you take a risk, even after 25 years of boshing, its still unclear as to whether you will die or not, however I personally figure the risk is pretty low.
 
K-Dazed said:
It is a safe assumption, IMO, to assume that Heroin will NEVER be in MDMA. My opinion.

Better?

Only a fucking retard would cut MDMA with Heroin.
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It gets reported really rarely (in america) and hasnt been reported in eight years.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/stats_substance_by_year.php

It could be some anti-drugs goon sending this shit in, to somehow prove their bullshit through the years is somehow credible.
 
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