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How can we win the war on drugs?
Choronzon333
Bluelighter
Titus
Bluelighter
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this topic!
Just because drugs feel good does not mean that its actually good for you,
And I don't think a lot of high level officials behind the legalization movement argue they are. Hell, staying awake for 35 hrs at a time isn't good for u either... but that is no reason it should be ILLEGAL!
sure if it was legal it would save a lot of trouble for those who want to get high and they could obtain it easily and use it without breaking the law but that alone does not justify the fact that chemicals are risky business and countless people have overdosed, died, damaged their health, and ruined their lives because of drugs.
You have your facts COMPLETELY BACKWARDS. Drugs are easier to get for children than alcohol is. And the overdosing and health risks are a direct result of the criminalization, no the drugs. They are criminal, so cost a lot, and make people get involved in courts and jails. Since they are illegal and cost a lot heavy users spend 100 or more a day supporting their habit. What does a heavy alcohol user pay, 12 bucks? hell, he can beg for that! So they run around neglecting their healthy, being prostitutues, doing all sorts of risky stuff to get the MONEY for the drugs that cost so much simply because they are ILLEGAL.
Not to mention the thousands of kid who have been murdrered because drugs are ILLEGAL, so when a drug dealer gets robbed they don't call the cops the way a a liquor store does.... But back in Al Capone days.... people were murdered left and right.... what has changed.... alcohol is legal, drugs are not.... THAT IS IT!
And think about this, do you want to come home to finnd your child was murdered by some lunatic drug addict who broke into your house to steal a tv, go scared, and killed her? If drugs were legal, they would cost a resonable price like cigarettes and booze do. How many booze addicts and cig addicts rob houses to pay for their daily fix?
You may be a responsible user but a lot of us are not, and if drugs were legal it would give a lot of users even more freedom to abuse the shit out of it resulting in more unfortunate incidences.
So when they behave 'irresponsibly' (i.e. they get violent or steal... those are really the ONLY CRIMES) you call the cops on them. If someone eats a banana and goes out of control, do you blame the banana or call the cops and deal with the persons behavior? And when a known wife beater comes home with a case of vodka every night no one calls the cops when they see him going into the door with the vodka... they wait until the rucus happens so stay off your high horse buddy lol
A lot of things are bad for you in this world and I have tried alot of them legally and illegally but in the end it was only the harder drugs that actually left me disabled and ruined my life. They are illegal for a reason, as much as you like to belive its all propaganda its actually not.
Show me the studies. My info tells me that drug addiction has remained constant at less than 1 or 2 percent for over 100 years and also that there are a lot of promising studies out of europe hwere they gave heroin to people and crime dropped dramatically.
In fact, I bet it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to simply buy heroin wholesale from Afganastan or whereever and give it out to every prisoner in every federal prison/max secirity prison in this country. They would be docile as hell, it is cheap as hell, and no guards OR gang membes would be gettign stabbed. If the drug trade was taken from the prison gangs so is the profit motive. If it is given for free by the prisons no one needs to pay the gang members, if everyone is stoned out of their minds they are not hurting anyone... put that in your pipe and smoke it. And try to stop moralizing for a moment and think about things from a practical standpoint.
Over a trillion dollars has been spent on the so called drug war and we can't even keep one single drug out of one single prison, not even the MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISONS in this entire country.Who does not see how dumb that is?
If you want to risk your well being then by all means go about the way of obtaining your drugs the illegal way but I dont think the government should serve it to anyone on silver platter so that everytime someone fucks up they can point the finger back.
Governemnt is not our mommey and daddy meant to 'serve' or 'deny' us anything. Drugs are simply a product. If people choose to buy it then they choose to buy it, the government has nothing to do with it (nor shoud). When is the last time you saw someone from the government 'selling someone drugs 'on a silver platter' LMAO... I think your perspective in life is funny my friend.
If you were reffering to cannibis then I would be more supportive of your thread but if your actually reffering to winning the war on heavier drugs such as crack, meth, ice, heroin , etc.
Go to www.leap.cc and go 1/2 way down the page on the right, there is a free 12 min video, it takes a couple min's to load. It was made by former federal narcotics officers, etc, etc
If we can't convince you then I would LOVE to hear your arguments against what they have to say about why drugs should be legal. And I"m talking police captains, narcotics officers with 25 yrs experience in the state police, etc, etc, etc... not some small time nobodies.
Come up with arguments that refute THEIR arguments and u will get my attn!
This pretty much covers it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14kristof.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=drugs won the war&st=Search
SpiralOut
Bluelighter
Unfortunately, there's too much money being made (see: squandered and lining corrupt people's pockets) for the drug war to end any time soon. However, I think the best approach is just to try getting a foot in the door.
Work to get medical marijuana in all 50 states. This puts pressure on the Federal government to repeal laws against marijuana use. This begins solving the prison overpopulation problem and saves shit tons of money. Then, work at trying to get natural and harmless drugs like shrooms, DMT, etc. decriminalized. Just keep chipping away at the problem until the dam breaks.
The government and special interest groups have done a wonderful job at lying to the American people and brainwashing them to think all drugs are horribly bad (except of course the two that really ARE horribly bad, alcohol and tobacco). So, when someone thinks of a drug user they automatically think of some supposed lowlife jabbing a needle in his arm to get his heroin fix or a meth user without any of his teeth living in a run down trailer.
So ALL drugs get lumped together. Obviously you're going to have an extremely tough time convincing anyone it's a good idea to decriminalize and regulate heroin, meth, etc., no matter what Swiss studies say. A much easier and achievable goal is to convince people that the current polices against harmless drugs like MJ, psychedelics, and whatnot are overboard and that it would be better to let these things be legalized and people left alone. Then, after so many years of these certain drugs being legalized the system will be much better off and people will see the positive changes. That will provide a much more stable, believable, and appealing platform to stand on when trying to get all the drug laws changed.
No matter the size of the stone, eventually the slow, tedious, relentless onslaught of water will wear it down and break it. That's what it's going to take to see a significant paradigm shift in how drugs are handled in this country.