How can I feel "like high" while sober?

[chickenclan]

The first time I took LSA I can remember how all things were beautiful, how textures and surfaces were good to feel and touch, and I was very content with everything in general. After the first time I took it, I started wondering how would anybody be able to feel contentment as people tend to feel while on i.e. LSA and the way everything was beautiful? How does anybody get to feel that way while sober???
FYI It was a low dose of LSA.

 

[Si Dread]

you need a nice, nasty long case of HPPD, search..!

j/k obviously... 30 years of meditation will do the job!

 

[chickenclan]

you need a nice, nasty long case of HPPD, search..!

j/k obviously... 30 years of meditation will do the job!

30 years? I doubt all of that, but seriously I bet you know what I think about when I refer to the contentment you feel while on psychedelic i.e. LSA which is the only one I have taken at this point. Everything is wonderful you know. There must be something else? Like a mindset or something?

 

[psood0nym]

^Heh. No, of course there's no way (at least not that anybody knows yet). That's why people use drugs -- because the alternative (disciplined meditative work) takes forever, would necessitate a restructuring of society if it was actually widely instituted, and in no way is as immediately reliable as drugs because most people simply aren't that committed. If there was an alternative way somebody would've gotten rich and famous selling such a method by now (and would probably have been worshiped as a living god).

... Actually, I have a way. PM me your credit card number and I'll send you my instructional tapes.

 

[Tranced]

The first time I took LSA I can remember how all things were beautiful, how textures and surfaces were good to feel and touch, and I was very content with everything in general. After the first time I took it, I started wondering how would anybody be able to feel contentment as people tend to feel while on i.e. LSA and the way everything was beautiful? How does anybody get to feel that way while sober???
FYI It was a low dose of LSA.

Yes there is a mindset - what you have just described is exactly what you'd get out of meditation

What happened to you when you took LSA was that you were aware of how things really were. How often do you usually pay attention to touch, other than when something is an overtly obvious sensation? Or taste? Or any other of your senses? Barely ever.

I suggest using meditation to rid your brain of mental chatter and focus clearly on every sensation/sound/sight etc which is going on around you. Pay attention to the crystal clarity of vision and the passage of the wind, the bee's/the beauty of a landscape, the way that everything is connected.

I think that's the nature of contentment and basically what you experienced on LSA. Obviously you won't get the visions or the exact same perception of the world you experienced on LSA, but it's basically the same thing.

Just go somewhere beautiful, clear your mind & see

This will not take 30 years... it could be achieved in less than a minute, and revisited at any time. It will become more powerful over time. It's entirely up to you how often it happens & how powerful it becomes.

I love this from the foreword of Albert Hoffman - LSD, My Problem Child. Sums up a meditative experience quite perfectly.

There are experiences that most of us are hesitant to speak about, because they do not conform to everyday reality and defy rational explanation. These are not particular external occurrences, but rather events of our inner lives, which are generally dismissed as figments of the imagination and barred from our memory. Suddenly, the familiar view of our surroundings is transformed in a strange, delightful, or alarming way: it appears to us in a new light, takes on a special meaning. Such an experience can be as light and fleeting as a breath of air, or it can imprint itself deeply upon our minds.

One enchantment of that kind, which I experienced in childhood, has remained remarkably vivid in my memory ever since. It happened on a May morning - I have forgotten the year - but I can still point to the exact spot where it occurred, on a forest path on Martinsberg above Baden, Switzerland. As I strolled through the freshly greened woods filled with bird song and lit up by the morning sun, all at once everything appeared in an uncommonly clear light.

Was this something I had simply failed to notice before? Was I suddenly discovering the spring forest as it actually looked? It shone with the most beautiful radiance, speaking to the heart, as though it wanted to encompass me in its majesty. I was filled with an indescribable sensation of joy, oneness, and blissful security.

I have no idea how long I stood there spellbound. But I recall the anxious concern I felt as the radiance slowly dissolved and I hiked on: how could a vision that was so real and convincing, so directly and deeply felt - how could it end so soon? And how could I tell anyone about it, as my overflowing joy compelled me to do, since I knew there were no words to describe what I had seen? It seemed strange that I, as a child, had seen something so marvelous, something that adults obviously did not perceive - for I had never heard them mention it.

While still a child, I experienced several more of these deeply euphoric moments on my rambles through forest and meadow. It was these experiences that shaped the main outlines of my world view and convinced me of the existence of a miraculous, powerful, unfathomable reality that was hidden from everyday sight.

 

[chickenclan]

Yes there is a mindset - what you have just described is exactly what you'd get out of meditation

What happened to you when you took LSA was that you were aware of how things really were. How often do you usually pay attention to touch, other than when something is an overtly obvious sensation? Or taste? Or any other of your senses? Barely ever.

I suggest using meditation to rid your brain of mental chatter and focus clearly on every sensation/sound/sight etc which is going on around you. Pay attention to the crystal clarity of vision and the passage of the wind, the bee's/the beauty of a landscape, the way that everything is connected.

I think that's the nature of contentment and basically what you experienced on LSA. Obviously you won't get the visions or the exact same perception of the world you experienced on LSA, but it's basically the same thing.

Just go somewhere beautiful, clear your mind & see

This will not take 30 years... it could be achieved in less than a minute, and revisited at any time. It will become more powerful over time. It's entirely up to you how often it happens & how powerful it becomes.

I love this from the foreword of Albert Hoffman - LSD, My Problem Child. Sums up a meditative experience quite perfectly.

AAMOF I tend to meditate once in a while, sometimes before drugs, sometimes with no regards to drug use.
But anyway and disregarded from that, could it be possible that a child before it starts in kindergarten and school, actually experiences what people tend to feel while high on drugs, just continuously amazed of the world and having pure interest in all things, like when on LSA i.e. ???

Yes there is a mindset - what you have just described is exactly what you'd get out of meditation
Just go somewhere beautiful, clear your mind & see

I feel this is easier said than done...

Do you Tranced personally take drugs, if you are willing to share also which? Have you also been able to "acquire" such a mindset?

 

[Ismene]

The only way of experiencing how you feel on psychedelic is to take a psychedelic. I know there's that silly story that Ram Dass gave some guru 900 mics of acid and he just sat there not bothered at all because he was already used to it because he meditated but that was bullshit. The guru palmed the acid and pretended he was tripping to con Ram out of some money.

 

[GreenMachine]

this may seem ass-backwards, but im going to go ahead and say keep taking psychedelics. while you are in this mode of exploring yourself with psychedelics you might also want to start exploring things like meditation, lucid dreaming, yoga, spirituality, art, and even regular excercise. different modes of consciousness overlap with each other at some points, and while getting a handle on these things you should be able to start noticing ways to elevate your mind without drugs.

for me, music gets me higher than drugs ever could. but then again, music with drugs can get you pretty goddamn high.

 

[effingcustie]

But anyway and disregarded from that, could it be possible that a child before it starts in kindergarten and school, actually experiences what people tend to feel while high on drugs, just continuously amazed of the world and having pure interest in all things, like when on LSA i.e. ???

Very possible. To me one of the goals of meditation, or any kind of 'spiritual development' or whatever you want to call it, is recapturing this sense of child-like wonder. It is very hard to be completely aware and absorbed in the present moment, when all of our senses are filtered through the conditioning we've inherited from society. The key is to let go and be present. As Tranced (beautiful post by the way, thank you!) said it can be difficult or it can be easy... it can take a lot of work on your consciousness, the paradox being that all this work is just to learn that there is nothing you have to 'do' except be.


Since Ram Dass has been brought up, you might want to check him out. He is a spiritual teacher who I think has a lot of appeal to psychedelic users since he started his path by basically taking tons of acid, but went on to explore developing consciousness through eastern traditions. His book "Be Here Now" is the most well-known one, and an excellent read, and his book "Journey of Awakening" is a very good guide to meditation for beginners. A lot of his work is centered around the idea of how to be high, and not just get high, which is I guess what we are talking about in this thread. If you'd like mp3s of one of his lectures I like a lot, shoot me a PM.

 

[chickenclan]

I am very tired of all those books, sharing ideas and stuff promising enlightenment, become happy again, how to feel good again etc etc etc.
Could someone tell me the purpose of meditation, I find it relaxing and comforting, but I have never understood what the purpose of the act was? Some do it maybe improve focus on something.
Do you really think that a baby feels the same way how we feel when we are on some drug, which in my case only has been LSA?

 

[WeedDxm]

Sorry about my lack of knowledge, but could someone explain to me what LSA is? And what it is found in?

 

[chickenclan]

Ergine, also known as d-lysergic acid amide (LSA) and d-lysergamide, is an alkaloid of the ergoline family that occurs in various species of vines of the Convolvulaceae and some species of fungi. As the dominant alkaloid in the psychedelic seeds of Turbina corymbosa (ololiuhqui), Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian baby woodrose) and Ipomoea tricolor (morning glories, tlitliltzin).
Straight from wikipedia

 

[itsALLfake]

From what it sounds like, you aren't really at an age where you should be worried about not experimenting. Humans always strive for something more. I use to go crazy with psychedelics, LSD and DMT mainly. I eventually got to a point where I could tap into this trance without the help of psychedelics, but my motivation to meditate stopped when I started using opiates... I had a lot to learn about myself, mainly how using opiates and alprazolam everyday isn't a good life, but more importantly, what am I getting out of life? Am I satisfied with myself? There isn't a drug on the planet that will leave me with satisfaction after its effects are long gone. That is something I have to find for myself. Drugs are just a good accent.

 

[chickenclan]

When I "return", "reach", "find" the same amount, the same way I feel contentment and absolute enjoyment of everything around me while sober I will stop taking any drug for the sake of feeling that way. If I ever take any drug after that it will most probably be for the sake of fun and other stuff. Most probably.

 

[wideopenhead]

^Heh. No, of course there's no way (at least not that anybody knows yet). That's why people use drugs -- because the alternative (disciplined meditative work) takes forever, would necessitate a restructuring of society if it was actually widely instituted, and in no way is as immediately reliable as drugs because most people simply aren't that committed. If there was an alternative way somebody would've gotten rich and famous selling such a method by now (and would probably have been worshiped as a living god).

... Actually, I have a way. PM me your credit card number and I'll send you my instructional tapes.