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How can I distinguish between Mescaline and the 2C's?

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So, this one friend I have knows a person who sells "mescaline" for 30 bucks a "pop". I don't mind trying one of the 2C's, but I don't want to get ripped off and I want to know what dose it is I'm getting. This friend of mine doesn't seem to know much about psychedelics. She can't even spell the word correctly. She's convinced that she is getting mescaline, which is almost impossible to get. I think that it is definitely one of the 2C's. I've asked her many questions like, "Does it come in a big pill or a little pill"?, "What color is the powder?", "How many milligrams is in each?", etc... She doesn't ever answer the questions and is probably annoyed with them. Her knowledge about these types of things is very limited. She thought that the SSRI she is prescribed would not cancel out the effects of psychedelics, despite the amount of evidence and research. Her reason why she thought this, "My friend still tripped...". I really don't want to get ripped off by some fucking teenagers because they don't know shit about what they have or what they're getting. Another reason why I think I would get ripped off is because she claims the "mescaline" she gets is much more powerful than the "DMT" she also gets. She recommends that I do DMT before mescaline. I seriously doubt that what she's getting is DMT, much less, mescaline... This is why I stick to stuff like LSA extractions and the occasional DXM product (Look down upon me if you want to.) That way I know what I'm getting. Anyways, how can I distinguish between the 2C's and mescaline? What are the doses? What are the prices? I know that mescaline would absolutely have to come in bigger capsules due to the dose of 200mg-300mg. That's one way of identifying but I'd like to be sure. This is why I ask fellow Blue Lighter's :) Thanks for the support.
 
Mescaline's dosage is 200+mg, a huge amount of powder compared to any 2C in existence. I am almost positive you're right, that it's a 2C or some other phenethylamine. An active dose of mescaline would nearly fill a small cap, at least. Plus you're right, mescaline is hard to come by. I got sold mescaline once before I got into RCs and in retrospect it was certainly 2C-E, which is way more hardcore than mescaline (but a great substance... can be really intense though and can cause some physical weirdness, whereas mescaline feels great physically). Is there any way you can see one of these caps? Maybe bring a scale over and weigh it? If she doesn't let you do that, you're best just staying away as that's really sketchy. If you weigh it it could at least narrow it down. You'll probably not have any way of knowing for sure unless you have reagents to test with and you buy one and test it... then you could be fairly sure based on the color of the reaction.
 
Ah I didn't think of that, when I got sold it it was just a tiny bit of powder in the cap, I didn't know anything at the time though.
 
I was pretty sure that I was right. I frequently browse Erowid, Bluelight, Drugs-forums, and other sources of information. I'm pretty educated on these topics but I just wanted to get confirmation from you guys. Thanks :)
 
I can understand if this is your only source of something, but this chick sounds sketchy I gotta say. The fact that she gets annoyed with you for asking questions could mean she knows full well what she's doing. Either that or she's just an idiot and someone else is pulling the wool over her eyes. Either way, if you go for it, try to get one of the test reagents and give it a test first. They're really cheap and easy to get.
 
2C research chemicals taste like rust.
if its an oily or gloopy substance of a big pile of green/beige organic matter ground down into a pill, it could be mescaline. 1ml of liquid mesc extract is generally a trip worth isnt it?
however- you could be getting sold Escaline/Proscaline/Methallylescaline etc as Mescaline, which i wouldnt mind as much as 2c's being misrepresented, these are around 40-80mg dosages i believe, pretty much no 2c would be over 30mg dosage if youre sold it as a single hit. check it out weight wise. if theyre selling ANY KIND OF RESEARCH CHEMICAL for that amount of money, they can fuck off either way. it better be mescaline for the price, or you can call them out and say "dude thats 2c-x or proscaline, im not payin over a fiver a hit."

and by the way it sounds, the DMT she refers to will probably be one of the 5-meo's, which adds more to the suggestion that theyre getting research chemicals not natural extractions.
 
someone here needs to try Bk-2c-b, who is like an Aficionado//Psychonaut the way i am with serotonergic substances and post
about how reminiscent they feel it is to mescaline by comparison to actual 2c-b. I don't find 2c-b to be like mescaline it is reminiscent of mescaline . I've done mescaline 5 times, 2 times cactus 3 times my own extract. It always gives me a very large head, it doesn't really... break my ego, But i don't enjoy to do high doses of it and lose myself. roughly 150-250mg is perfect for me. IF i wanna go out, and chill with people. or go to a concert. I have sat around on mescaline... but... it gets boring... It lacks a sort of hyper extended phenethylamine imagination zone, i would get from... lets say actual 2c-b.

I find bk-2c-b to be very mescaline like, and on my second trail had a pseudo religious experience while falling asleep.

There is a lot i don't understand about this compound. But when i compare it to Mescaline vs Mdma. bk-2c-b is definitely not a hedonistic compound which mdma can be.
It's more trippy and definitely weird. and oddly i feel it vaguely becomes similar to mescaline as the trip wears on. Given it feels like it lasts at least 12-16 hours.
 
According to wikipedia.
βk-2C-B turns bright orange when exposed to the marquis reagent.[3]
and Mescaline Turns a Deep Orange. The way i am looking at it here is people... Orange... is Orange...
And people who test for bk-2c-b, are going to think it is mescaline. Not to mention it's cheap as fuck right now and it gets you high as fuck in the right set and setting. It's a very subtle yet powerful compound.
 
This seems very much like an ID thread...

anyway I agree that since dosage for mescaline is so high, by cutting other compounds you can always get to a similar level of potency.
Duration-wise, there are a number of compounds that may come close like 2C-P, escaline, proscaline, bk-2C-B, also DOM, TMA-# ,3C-X perhaps. However regarding effects there may be very significant differences, only if you have never had real mescaline how would you know?
I guess a crude extract has cactus impurities that would be weird to find in a cut research chemical product, but the point of adding up these factors is that it can only help narrow it all down a little bit. But there isn't really a substitute for doing reagent tests or actual lab tests...

Let's not speculate any further, but if someone has a good suggestion, or can share their own experiences with products being passed off as rare ones like DMT or mescaline... I can leave it open just a tad longer.

Also your friend is kinda not wrong about the SSRI's but not really right either: the interactions with psychedelics are not so predictable. Some people don't trip on SSRI's anymore, others still do, and there can also be changes in trip effects and other weird outcomes. So unpredictability is the right thing to expect, not that you'd still trip which is wishful thinking, wishing for the most preferred possible outcome.

bk-2C-B can be dimerised with very little water (maybe with some added base, not sure - yes just checked and indeed alkaline conditions are preferred) and may turn into purple goopy crap, which mescaline does not. Let me try with my bk-2C-B in a minute...
Indeed I tried it with a tiny bit of bk-2C-B powder, adding 2 drops of water did very little but when I added a small clump of lye to it, roughly the same size / amount, it turned a mild salmon-pinkish light purple kind of color. Now after a little more time (minutes) it has turned a sort of pronounced bloodorange color.
Pretty sure mescaline does not do that. :)
 
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Street mescaline is virtually nonexistant, but 2C compounds and mescaline feel very different. 2C's typically (but not always) have a fairly rapid onset, at least for a psychedelic, while mescaline always seems to take about two hours to kick, which is sometimes a little annoying.

Mescaline feels very light and airy, not too bad a body load IME but a lot of euphoria and a very stimulating, happy vibe.

2C's kind of make my body feel like garbage, and the mental effects can range from ego-shattering (2C-t-7, 2C-P) to chill and fun (2C-B, lower doses of 25i).
 
sketchy thread but heres my 2 cents:

just from what you posted, there is hardly any reason to expect that to be mescaline. i personally wouldnt even expect it to be good, whatever the fuck it is. if you are still curious, GET A TESTING KIT. there is only one way to know for sure, and that is to test it. i would recommend getting all three reagents, to cross-test.

i would ditch that connection man. teenagers like that are bad news, they dont know what they have, and with ignorant attitudes like that, who knows what kind of trouble they could bring along with them. the last thing you want is to get rolled up on by the cops with teenagers and drugs, we all know how that story ends.

look for better connections. think--what kind of people like psychedelics? where would these kinds of people congregate, where the use of psychedelics is tolerated...if you can put that together then you are on a much better path to finding trustworthy connections.

and no, big EDM festivals arent what im talking about (at least in america)
 
i can distinguish some 2C's but i cannot tell mescaline from escaline, proscaline, 3C-P and 3C-E ... i might get old, but there's a rather big range of RCs that your "friend" could sell you there. i once had a very similar episode. a so called "friend" sold me acid.. back then i never realised how sketchy streetstuff can be, because i was binging it anyway... year later i sent it to lab, to see if it's worth to stash.. turned out as DOI.

i really do not mind experiments, but i can't fucking stand "friends" selling me lies.
 
It strikes me as incredibly dangerous for people to sell any 2C-x as mescaline. Imagine taking 400mg of 2C-E! :|

In my limited use of bk-2C-B, I didn't find it resembled mescaline all that much. But I wasn't really looking at it in that way...
 
^on the street no dealer would sell 400mg of 2c-e as a single dose of mescaline. thats not how they make money. they will sell you a normal dose of 2c-x as mescaline, so if he has 2c-e then towards whatever erowid says he might put 15mg per dose... what you mean is when a RC vendor fucks up labelling and someone gets the wrong chem and therefore the wrong dose. a street dealer sees 30 deals within that 400mg 2c-e .. and the greedier they get, the less actual material will be sold per dose. if a dealer knows the chems he might just be "nice" enough not to OD you that blatantly.. that is.. if he himself knows what he is dealing with.
 
it should immediately turn purple if you have a really really pure compound.
upon any contact with water, did that happen?

That is definitely what happens to mine.
I havn't tried adding lye to it yet.
I'm actually going to experiment with a few mg of the bk grains and the mescaline crystals that i have.
exactly what you did. Pretty much i am curious to see what would happen.
All i know is according to your standard Marquis test, which i am currently out of
Those two compounds appear relatively the same. Orange.
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and that is the image up on bluelight for bk-2c-b, now we just need one for mescaline.
 
It's impossible to tell by effects alone if you have mescaline or 2C-X. As Folley pointed out anyone who is going to sell 2C compounds as mescaline would bulk them out to make the dosages similar.

You have to do a reagent test, get GCMS or LCMS testing, or do stuff like melt point testing to say for sure if you have mescaline or something else. Don't try to judge the identity of a compound by how it looks, smells, or tastes.

Typically, extracted mescaline costs a fair amount, you have to harvest a lot of cactus and do a fair amount of work for a drug that isn't really very potent. Its' unlikely you're gonna buy it on the street.
 
Tryptamino said:
Street mescaline is virtually nonexistant, but 2C compounds and mescaline feel very different. 2C's typically (but not always) have a fairly rapid onset, at least for a psychedelic, while mescaline always seems to take about two hours to kick, which is sometimes a little annoying.

Mescaline feels very light and airy, not too bad a body load IME but a lot of euphoria and a very stimulating, happy vibe.

2C's kind of make my body feel like garbage, and the mental effects can range from ego-shattering (2C-t-7, 2C-P) to chill and fun (2C-B, lower doses of 25i).
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I know this is an old thread, but I still think it is worth mentioning that mescaline only takes around 8-10min to kick in on an empty stomach for me, having me puke at around 15min when the visuals will already be in full swing. I know this seems to be different for most people, but it's always been that way for me if I ingest extracted HCl salt. Cactus takes forever though, 3-4h to peak.
 
^8-10 minutes seems very rapid. I have taken synthetic mescaline a few times and do not recall it kicking in that rapidly; it still took 45 minutes or more (IIRC). Perhaps you have super metabolism. :)

But, yeah, with cactus extract, even very concentrated, the effects can take hours. On at least two occaisions, the effects took forever; I am still waiting to feel it. :\
 
mescaline takes ages to come on and does not feel like like 2cb or 2ci which are the only ones ive tried. no other drug feels like mescaline. it has the longest come up of any medium length acting psychedelic, with an mdma like phase 2-5 hours in only getting visuals at the 5-7 hour mark for me and they are very spider webby is a way that is distinct.

its feels so similar to mdma in the early stages with rushes and energy
 
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