how bad is rolling every week or so actually?

[fm1983]

I rolled a lot in HS, like every week for months at a time. Fast forward 8-10years later, I think I have effects from it. My short term memory is shot. I can watch an entire movie, and when it's over, I couldn't break it down for you; just doesn't register. My emotions are in check though. But I contribute the memory loss to rolling a lot, no doubt.

Now I roll once or twice a year if that, and it's much more enjoyable. But the quality of pills have diminished so much since then, I don't really like rolling anymore. I never lost the magic back then so to speak, but I was quite reckless no doubt. The "Once every 3 months rule" is golden and should be followed no doubt.

 

[psychomimetic]

Excellent advice. The second time I rolled I thought I was going to be braindead forever. The depression was so consuming that I thought I would never recover. I am getting a couple rolls today, but I'm not taking one at a time, I figure I will insuffulate half at a time along with some nice dank to go along with it.

Weed potentiates the hell out of rolls imo.

But thank you again for this advice, I'll try my best to keep a strong mind over the comedown. Then again, I want the comedown to be harsh so I can maintain a stronger relationship against it in the first place. Meaning I am trying to get over having harsh comedowns.

Mind over matter doesn't work when it comes to neurotoxicity, you can't think brain damage and dopamine depletion away.

 

[Dreaming Rabbit]

Mind over matter doesn't work when it comes to neurotoxicity, you can't think brain damage and dopamine depletion away.

Then tell me how I'm having a bad roll and still remaining positive. Oh, and I drank a lot, and I dextro. I'm fine, feel absolutely normal. Good rolls too. I can tell my serotonin is burnt out but they are just thoughts. Only thoughts. Man you know how many times I thought of suicide and smiled? Not because I was happily about to off myself but because I knew it was just a negative thought in a pattern. I ignored it, and I keep ignoring the bad thoughts, this depletion wont effect me one iota.

 

[girlygrrl]

I wonder if pre and post loading with various supplements like 5-HTP, ALA, and Vit C it will make it so you can roll more often without being all fucked up afterwards. I also have to wonder how much of the drain has to do with combos vs. having pure MDMA, I find pure MDMA to be pretty draining but if you're doing MDMA/MA as is popular in many pills I'd think that the health effects would be much more damaging.

 

[ebola?]

Luckily, our serotonergic systems are fragile but CAN heal themselves - unlike our dopaminergic system.

In what way is the serotonergic system more able to recalibrate to drug-naive homeostasis than the dopaminergic system? As someone said, it's indeed the particulars of the agents inducing insults to the relevant system that will determine the nature of the damage (or lack thereof). If anything, the converse is true, as serotonin is far more prone to depletion, as it'smore sluggish in its biogenic synthesis, and receptor-downregulation seems more rapid and severe with 5ht. If I were to make a general case, the serotonergic system appears more prone to long-term problems, and at high levels, damage-proper, than the dopaminergic system, except methamphetamine is uniquely toxic in the latter respect.

If anything, it is because classical stimulants lead far more readily to recklessly compulsive dosing over extended periods than entactogens that the 5ht system would appear more resilient.

ebola

 

[girlygrrl]

I wonder if pre and post loading with various supplements like 5-HTP, ALA, and Vit C it will make it so you can roll more often without being all fucked up afterwards. I also have to wonder how much of the drain has to do with combos vs. having pure MDMA, I find pure MDMA to be pretty draining but if you're doing MDMA/MA as is popular in many pills I'd think that the health effects would be much more damaging.

Does anyone know the answer to this? If you do lots of pre, during, and post loading can you roll more often like once a week or are you still going to fuck yourself up beyond repair?

I could swear back in my raving days I knew people who rolled with a fair amount of frequency like weekly or even two days in a row and then when they decided to stop for a few months they were fine, or at least didn't seem any worse for the wear.

But that was like a decade ago, I'm more interested in it for now introspection/self-therapy and myself am wondering how frequently I can use it without burning out, I have no problem taking lots of supplements if that genuinely mitigates the problem of trip frequency.

 

[ludakhris]

it's possible to roll weekly and have a bombb ass trip every time.

but let's just call it a 1 way trip to losing the magic.

and plus during the week when you're not rolling you will definitely run into depression and anxiety issues.

listen to me, I know first hand

 

[Dreaming Rabbit]

OK I am coming back humbly offering an apology concerning my last post.

psychomimetic I was under the influence at the time, and now can better understand what you were ACTUALLY saying as opposed to what I THOUGHT you were saying.

You are very correct in your statement. You can't just think about neurochemistry lol what an idiotic response I made. Sure, I thought I was keeping myself positive but the whole time I was really feeling low. I was having anxiety issues from hanging out with someone I've never met before and plus other negativity I wont get into but let me reformat my response if you will.


I slept countless hours to help myself recovery from the heavy drinking, rolling and pot smoking and it was definitely what I should have done, I feel better and lighter than previous days before but after the roll.

There is a noticeable draining of energy that is slowly lightening up as I continue to rest and continue to take my very low dose of SSRI's which I was questioning to begin with, I'm not a neurochemist expert but I do have neurochemistry .

Your statement was just fact, mine was opinion, overall a learning experience for me and I know that some of what I said could aid in the process of keeping a positive train of thought but its not about positive thinking, its about what is going on inside yr brain.

I have some questions to the general consensus, and I would just like a second opinion on what a couple of my guru's have told me.

One, sleeping was reccomened, so I slept a very good amount of time. I feel better and restored mostly.

Second, 5-HTP was a given reccomendation to me by one opf my gurus but I never got the chance to start taking them before I roled. I know I am going to definitely start taking them soon but will this also help me in my recovery of this serotonin/dopamine/whateverthefuckthischemical thats bringing me down :D?

 

[Eyes On the Roll]

i used to roll 4 days out of a week. that went on for about a month. i cant even tell you how many times i rolled that month.

its been almost 2 months since i've done any beans, and let me tell you, before 2 weeks ago i was in a horrible state of depression and anxiety for the longest time.
im not depressed anymore but i have bad memory issues now.
like for instance, i'm an intelligent person, good at school and such, but after that rolling binge there are bits of information that i would normally be able to pull out off the top of my head, that now sometimes can be impossible to retreive, and i'll search my brain for a long time and i'll never find that peice of information. it may come to me after 30 mins or even up to the next day it will pop into my head randomly

 

[Vader]

it's possible to roll weekly and have a bombb ass trip every time.

but let's just call it a 1 way trip to losing the magic.

If you lose the magic then you aren't having "a bombb ass trip" every week any more, are you?