Opioids how bad is my situation? it might be one of the worst ever...I need advice!

[dwade2009]

I've been doing opiates for about a year and a half now. have tried almost every opiate, but have only been shooting them for about 6 months everyday. I use oxy bcuz that is all that is available. I live in south FL so it's very easy to find.

now here's my problem, I'm not like most people in the sense of where I take money out of the bank and go pay for drugs. I pick up a few blues and sell them to friends so I get mine for free and/or make a little money. But it's mainly just to maintain my habit. now recently business has been real good and I've gotten myself to the point now where I haven't even felt the full withdrawal pain in like 5 months...everyday I wake up with the chills and immediately do a shot. I've also been shooting about an average of 10-15 a day, one 30mg dose at a time sometimes 60mg.

so now I ask, how fucked am I really? after 6 hours from my last dose I start going into withdrawal, it's almost more like my brain is completely reliant on opiates and even 4 or 5 hours I feel w/d bcuz iv oxy is so shortlived. now given the fact that I haven't even gone longer than 10 hours without a dose is pretty hard to believe but it's true. I don't even get high anymore and I have a script for suboxone and want to stop but what scares me is if I feel like hell at 6 hours, how am I supposed to wait 18-24 hours to take this shit? and I almost feel like the suboxone won't even do anything bcuz of my massive tolerance.

so please any input is greatly appreciated. Im in college and used to play sports all the time and go out to the bars but I just don't do that stuff anymore. I end up sitting around all day shooting blues. I need help but just can't bring myself to do a last dose at 6 pm and wake up the next day hopefully around 8 in full w/d and then take the suboxone.

any related success/failure stories would be great, and thanks for taking your time to help me out.

 

[debaser]

Why don't you chose methadone, then? I don't think you have to wait that long to begin taking your first methadone dose. Good luck.

 

[DustnRoses]

I strongly advise not using methadone, as the withdrawal is worse and longer than OC or other shorter half-life opiates. Recently I've found out (from bluelight) that tramadol is the only opiate that can be taken in conjunction with buprenorphine (Suboxone) without causing precipitated withdrawal. So, what I did was stop doing my DOC, switch to tramadol for 3 days, then switch to Suboxone. I used one 8 mg pill, and still have about 2 mg's left. I do maybe .5 mg every 24-36 hours. I plan on jumping off in the next 3-4 days, and I'm sure my withdrawal won't be too severe (although my habit was nowhere near the size of yours). Good luck man. Do some looking around on here about tramadol and suboxone, you'll find some good info. Good luck with getting off the OC.

Regarding what I said about going from OC-->tramadol-->Suboxone was because with any other opiate, you have to wait until you are in withdrawal to take the Suboxone, and when taking tramadol, that isn't the case. I wasn't sure if you already knew that.

 

[thelung]

I would seriously start thinking about how you're going to stop doing opiates. You obviously realize that its becoming an issue or else you wouldn't have started a thread about it, so you have that going for you. If you cannot quit using without a maintenance type medication (suboxone, methadone, etc.) I would look into what you would have to do in order to get on Suboxone, even if it was just for a short period of time. Coming off Suboxone is a piece of cake. Methadone, thats a different story. Suboxone would be way way better for you IMHO. Good luck with everything ~ BL is an excellent resource when it comes to finding information about how to quit using opiates, so you've come to the right place

 

[OpiYum]

I think that you may want to consider getting onto suboxone plus rehab, someplace of your choosing, if/when you are ready, or else individual counseling to supplement suboxone or methadone, whichever you choose, if you do.

Basically, you are physically dependent on opiates (you are enslaved to opiates). You probably are going to want to break those chains sooner than later.

I am still struggling. I have wanted to break free from opiate's rule about 4-5 yrs ago and seriously like about 2 years ago. It is definitely the hardest thing that I have had to face. I keep chipping, doing better in my life, but then get bouts of depression (apathy/reclusiveness) and have to fight the urge even on alot of suboxone. Then I will stabilize, for usually a couple of months (as long as 6 months), and relapse. I wish I have heard more success stories myself -- I have one friend who has successfully quit H and crack, but she has relapsed at least once w/in her first year.

 

[daddysgone]

Listen up.
You dont have to wait 18-24 hours to dose your suboxone, that is a common misconception.
What you DO NEED TO DO, is wait until you begin to feel withdrawal from the oxy (or whatever opioid you are taking).

People tend to think that there is a set time that you have to wait in order to avoid precipitated withdrawal. This is not true.
As long as you are feeling physical withdrawal, you can safely dose with suboxone and not have to worry about precipitated withdrawal.

So, after your last dose of oxy, wait until you start feeling withdrawal. Once you are certain that you are feeling dopesick, go ahead and dose with suboxone.

Good luck-DG

 

[ech0s85]

^i would start the dose small just to careful. Ive found that taking like half a mg every twenty minutes works without giving you PW even only a few(5-6) hours after dosing oxy.

 

[Magic_Hobo]

^i've done that too except in 1mg increments and it works very well

 

[edgewise1]

I strongly advise not using methadone, as the withdrawal is worse and longer than OC or other shorter half-life opiates. Recently I've found out (from bluelight) that tramadol is the only opiate that can be taken in conjunction with buprenorphine (Suboxone) without causing precipitated withdrawal. So, what I did was stop doing my DOC, switch to tramadol for 3 days, then switch to Suboxone. I used one 8 mg pill, and still have about 2 mg's left. I do maybe .5 mg every 24-36 hours. I plan on jumping off in the next 3-4 days, and I'm sure my withdrawal won't be too severe (although my habit was nowhere near the size of yours). Good luck man. Do some looking around on here about tramadol and suboxone, you'll find some good info. Good luck with getting off the OC.

Regarding what I said about going from OC-->tramadol-->Suboxone was because with any other opiate, you have to wait until you are in withdrawal to take the Suboxone, and when taking tramadol, that isn't the case. I wasn't sure if you already knew that.

This is a good idea IF you are one of the ones that can metabolize tramadol. I had a hydro habit of 150 to 200 mg's a day and tramadol let me come off of that with no problem. Now my habit was not as extreme as yours, but tramadol is worth a try. Be aware that tramadol is addictive with hellatious wd's. If you only do it short term though you should not have a problem.

BTW this worked for me but that is no gurantee it will work for you. I am not a medical professional so take what I say with a grain of salt and do some research as mentioned above!

 

[littlechino]

It is possible to wean off heroin with heroin. Most junkies just don't have the self-control. We crave that rush too much.

The first time I quit, I went completely cold turkey. During that period of using, I was waking up everyday with my sheets soaked in sweat within eighth hours since my last hit. After three days of diarrhea and puking up even water, I was admitted to the ER for dehydration and acute renal failure. They gave me Zofran for nausea and hooked me up to saline. I felt straight within a day.

One other time, I was put on lock down with no access to transportation or money--my connect was an hour drive away. However, I was able to sneak out every 2-3 days in my sickness to score some chiva. This time around, I didn't even puke during withdrawals, but did experience severe anxiety, sleepless nights, with the occasional shivers.

 

[dwade2009]

I appreciate the responses guys. I really do, and I guess you're right I really don't need to wait that long to take the subs. I'm just worried that the subs might not work at all so I'm gonna still keep a couple oxys around just in case.

 

[stuckinaloop]

you are not really fucked man..not at all.10-15 30mg roxies a day is by no means a MASSIVEEE tolerance...

yeah it's decent but theres a lot of people who do that much in 1 dose.

Suboxone will def work for you, no reason to go to meth if you dont wanna.

my advice is get a lot of benzos, and just load the fuck up for 24 hours on em then take your suboxone dose, then you'll feel fine. You just have to truck it...honestly though I wouldnt wait less than 18hr... it would be different if you were hopping back and forth or were on a lower dose, but you have consistantly been dosin the same level for quite, so you have a high chance of precipitated withdrawal if you don;t wait long enough

you will feel like shit but you won't die man...the first 6 hours are cake, then your in hell for 12 hours...

just go for it man

I've been doing opiates for about a year and a half now. have tried almost every opiate, but have only been shooting them for about 6 months everyday. I use oxy bcuz that is all that is available. I live in south FL so it's very easy to find.

now here's my problem, I'm not like most people in the sense of where I take money out of the bank and go pay for drugs. I pick up a few blues and sell them to friends so I get mine for free and/or make a little money. But it's mainly just to maintain my habit. now recently business has been real good and I've gotten myself to the point now where I haven't even felt the full withdrawal pain in like 5 months...everyday I wake up with the chills and immediately do a shot. I've also been shooting about an average of 10-15 a day, one 30mg dose at a time sometimes 60mg.

so now I ask, how fucked am I really? after 6 hours from my last dose I start going into withdrawal, it's almost more like my brain is completely reliant on opiates and even 4 or 5 hours I feel w/d bcuz iv oxy is so shortlived. now given the fact that I haven't even gone longer than 10 hours without a dose is pretty hard to believe but it's true. I don't even get high anymore and I have a script for suboxone and want to stop but what scares me is if I feel like hell at 6 hours, how am I supposed to wait 18-24 hours to take this shit? and I almost feel like the suboxone won't even do anything bcuz of my massive tolerance.

so please any input is greatly appreciated. Im in college and used to play sports all the time and go out to the bars but I just don't do that stuff anymore. I end up sitting around all day shooting blues. I need help but just can't bring myself to do a last dose at 6 pm and wake up the next day hopefully around 8 in full w/d and then take the suboxone.

any related success/failure stories would be great, and thanks for taking your time to help me out.

 

[stray cat]

yea, you see people on here all the time saying they're addicted to like 450+mg daily (which would be 15 of those blue roxis, right?). i think my personal max in one day was in the high 200s, but a habit like yours is definitely not unheard of at all. i agree that u should try to wait before you dose the sub bc from everything i've heard p/w/d sucks really badly, but i've never exp'd firsthand. good luck man! i'm sure you can stick it out at least long enough to make the switch to suboxone

 

[stuckinaloop]

yeah honestly...not that im proud, im actually really not proud of it but I could put down 200mg in one dose easy

tolerance is a slut

 

[dwade2009]

my main concern is that a buddy of mine who was doing 5-8 a day, but hadn't been banging as long as me, said to me that he felt sick as hell at 18 hours so I gave him #1 suboxone. He then proceeded to bang a half which I told him way to much. I know in the UK they have temgesic ampoules or that buprenex shit which comes in like .5 mg doses and he did a whole 4 mg.

After he did it about 2 or 3 minutes later he started freaking out saying he felt like he wanted to die. His symptoms were very cold and clammy skin and chills, and he also reported a very emprty feeling. So I'm pretty sure that he experienced p/wd.

Now of course he didn't wake up everyday sick like me (no matter when I dosed the night before I would sleep about 7-8 hours and was always woken up because of the chills and overall cold feeling thru out my body) so I'm really not sure how it'll work out for my situation.

Any more input is greatly appreciated.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

so now I ask, how fucked am I really? after 6 hours from my last dose I start going into withdrawal, it's almost more like my brain is completely reliant on opiates and even 4 or 5 hours I feel w/d bcuz iv oxy is so shortlived. now given the fact that I haven't even gone longer than 10 hours without a dose is pretty hard to believe but it's true. I don't even get high anymore and I have a script for suboxone and want to stop but what scares me is if I feel like hell at 6 hours, how am I supposed to wait 18-24 hours to take this shit? and I almost feel like the suboxone won't even do anything bcuz of my massive tolerance.

If at hour 6 it's that bad, you could try some then. IV oxy is very abrupt in duration, I wouldn't feel any effects past 2 hours the one time I did it. I would say if you can wait 8 hours, you could try then. You should just start at a small dose to gauge effects, to see if you go through a worse WD than you are already in. The odds are you won't and might feel some relief.

If that is the case, you can take more in intervals as needed.

any related success/failure stories would be great, and thanks for taking your time to help me out.

I some how made it to 2.5 days after my last heroin dose, and I got to the doctors and dosed Suboxone. I was using heroin though and snorting it, so the high was very drawn out. WD taking a little longer to kick in, but took its time to work up to the full, nasty accumulation of it all. 2 days or 1.5-1.75 days probably would have been enough but the soonest I could see the doctor was at 2.5 days.

 

[dwade2009]

.I some how made it to 2.5 days after my last heroin dose, and I got to the doctors and dosed Suboxone. I was using heroin though and snorting it, so the high was very drawn out. WD taking a little longer to kick in, but took its time to work up to the full, nasty accumulation of it all. 2 days or 1.5-1.75 days probably would have been enough but the soonest I could see the doctor was at 2.5 days.

damn CH that's a shame man I feel for you. but with heroin the metabolites can sometimes take 24 hours to even leave your body. to have to go thru full w/d for that long until u got your suboxone is torture. literally at 24 hours I would score a 5 on every diff. symptoms on the cows scale.

I used to b able to to 24 hours no problem then start getting watery hours and yawning but now Its a completely diff story.

 

[Sentience]

I hate my opiate habit. For me quitting is not an option because I am using my drugs as directed for chronic pain, but I can totally relate to getting chills and WDs every few hours.

I am a low dose user....20mg ever 3 hours of oxy on top of 30mg Morphine Contin every 12 hours. Not really comparable to people who are heavy users, but if I dont take them I get sick.


I would think about weening yourself off.....And its not like being opiate free means you cant have fun or feel euphoric....There are other less addictive and more fun drugs you can still take on the weekend, and you can get stoned or drink in moderation. Weed helps people get through and some people swear by Kratom to help ease the WDs....

I wont source or mention pricing, but the only economic way to obtain Kratom to deal with a habit for a long term detox is to find a manufacturer rather than a merchant/reseller and buy it by the kilo. I dont have any specific vendors in mind but if you want advice on how to look for manufacturers of this legal herb pm me.

But yeah, life without opiates can be more fun. Its not like it means sobriety or boredom. You can still party and feel good. Opiates get old when you are using them constantly.

 

[dwade2009]

Sentience: There is no "drug "free" way of live anymore. I've been smoking weed everyday since I was 15, and now 21. have done coke and x and most regular (not RC) hallucinogenic. but obviously my DOC are opiates.

CH: at 8 hours should I iv a little suboxone first and then subligual? or just stick to the entire sublingual path?

 

[Pegasus]

Sentience: There is no "drug "free" way of live anymore. I've been smoking weed everyday since I was 15, and now 21. have done coke and x and most regular (not RC) hallucinogenic. but obviously my DOC are opiates.

CH: at 8 hours should I iv a little suboxone first and then subligual? or just stick to the entire sublingual path?

CH is one of a few people that enjoy IVing their Sub. Maybe give it a try before you decide on it as a part of your plan. Many people just get more bioavailability out of the IV route and no extra buzz (essentially just using less to get the same effect)...