• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Opioids How bad is my addiction??

V

vikenRedbull

Bluelighter
Joined
May 21, 2012
Messages
85
Location
Southern Cali
ive always wondered.. but i have a pretty good guess, due to how much i see others taking and i know i shall get to that point eventually lol.. currently im taking about 6 norcos a day thats about 60mg hydro (i think) and ive been taking them for about 10-11 months. ya months, not years, i have maybe missed a day out of all that, and i do feel the WD but nothing to where im paralyzed in bed, i can move around a bit but definitly feel bad, how long do you expect my withdrawals to be given this amount and this duration of time ive been taking?

also on a side note i pounded about 30mg of Loperamide with some tagarmet before with some GFJ and i feel great all day so far, but wondering when is the soonest i can take some vicodin again (hopefully by the laker game tonight) without being brutally intensified vicodin high.. thanks.!
 
When I was in rehab there were some people who were strung out on hydrocodone. I didn't really think it was possible, but they would take like 20 tab 10's a day. Which is scaryyy. think about all that acetaminophen. My advise for you, is to just stop taking the norco/vicodin. I mean, you are lucky your habit didn't progress into harder territory. I think your wd's right now shouldn't be completely awful, which is why you can manage getting out of bed.
 
Well what you're really talking about is your physical dependency. I'm not sure that you can gauge just how bad your withdrawals are simply by taking one day off. But 60mg hydrocodone is not an enormous dose, although you are taking that dose daily, and so that's something to take into consideration.

I'd say you're somewhat physically dependent for sure, but no one here can tell you just exactly how mentally addicted you are. That's something only you can know for sure. You'll have to be honest with yourself and ask yourself just how much you crave taking those pills and how much time you spend thinking about them, etc.
 
i am not denying it is used for pleasure, although my dr has tried it on me before for my flat feet when i worked all day on them, however im in an office now and no longer use them for pain.. that was years ago. I am now just doing this as im not a drinker/smoker and like to be in a good state of mind.. any word yet on if the imodium has worn off me to be able to take my next vicodin dose?

and yes i do think about them a lot, such as when to eat my next meal to have an empty stomach and plan my day around them. i do realize this for sure..

just like in my early 20s i would smoke weed 24-7 and thats all i would think about and pplan around etc. the pills are now my priority lol.. work, wife, kids.. all just details lol ok im kidding
 
Should be fine you just might not feel them as well due to increasing your tolerance with loperamide.

Slowly titrate your dose.

Your in very dangerous territory using opiates as mood enhancers, that bullet will come back to bite you.
 
vikenRedbull said:
ive always wondered.. but i have a pretty good guess, due to how much i see others taking and i know i shall get to that point eventually lol.. currently im taking about 6 norcos a day thats about 60mg hydro (i think) and ive been taking them for about 10-11 months. ya months, not years, i have maybe missed a day out of all that, and i do feel the WD but nothing to where im paralyzed in bed, i can move around a bit but definitly feel bad, how long do you expect my withdrawals to be given this amount and this duration of time ive been taking?

also on a side note i pounded about 30mg of Loperamide with some tagarmet before with some GFJ and i feel great all day so far, but wondering when is the soonest i can take some vicodin again (hopefully by the laker game tonight) without being brutally intensified vicodin high.. thanks.!
Click to expand...

This sounds like a question that you have both asked and answered yourself.
And the lol at the end of your plan of where you are to end up pretty much said it all, to me

My own qualifications for how bad an addiction is..are different than most..
just like me!

When someone thinks of you, talks about you..do they actually talk or think about you at all?
Or do they talk and think about what substances you abuse and define you?
They'll come a time when they won't talk or think about you anymore...
if you continue down this path.

I don't see why you couldn't take a lower than usual dose of hydro by tip-off.

~token
 
Your acute withdrawals will probably be over after a pretty short ammount of time (I'd imagine you will be over the hump after ~4 days). While your habit is not that big, it won't make much of a difference to you, as you have nothing to compare it too. Due to the fact that you've been using close to a year, be prepared to suffer PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome). PAWS manifests in a psychological form more than physical, symptoms include depression, anxiety, insomnia and drug craving, and can last anywhere from a month to over a year (though I gaurantee that in your case they will not last too long).

Ive managed once in the six years that I've been using opiates to kick and make it through PAWS. In my case I had cold turkey'd a 90mg year long methadone habit. The PAWS lasted about 7-8 months which were very difficult to endure, but seeing as I was in a rehab for more than half of that time, I had no choice to fight through it. I remember waking up one day and just feeling really fucking good. I just mention this to emphasize that there is a point when the cravings and depression that follows opiate abuse DOES let up.
 
Token, once again you rock my world with such a beautifully poetic, stunningly accurate and precise (unbeatable combo) answer.

You put it in a way no one else can.
 
tokenname said:
When someone thinks of you, talks about you..do they actually talk or think about you at all?
Or do they talk and think about what substances you abuse and define you?
They'll come a time when they won't talk or think about you anymore...
Click to expand...

Oh good so then eventually they'll stop talking about me, and if they're the type of people to think that my substance abuse defines me and then write me off for it, then they're not the type of people I'd ever want to call friends anyway.

EDIT: But I do see what you're getting at, and it makes sense. There's only so much your friends can do for you, and only so many times a friend can approach you. But I just know that my friends would never give up on me if they thought I had a real problem, and I know that those friends of mine with drinking/substance abuse problems, well, it's not all I think about or talk about whenever they come up in conversation.
 
Last edited:
In't narcos 1omg oxycodone?

Basically oxy = 5x more potenet than hydro.

If your on hydro than I'd say your addiction is mild...at worst. If its oxy it is a little more serious but me and my friends use to do 300mg a day and Im down to .25mg of suboxone (IV) per day. I'd suggest a SHORT sub taper.
 
tokenname said:
When someone thinks of you, talks about you..do they actually talk or think about you at all?
Or do they talk and think about what substances you abuse and define you?
They'll come a time when they won't talk or think about you anymore...
if you continue down this path
Click to expand...

Wow, that's something we don't really think about when we're chasing that high... :\

Good point about what Token said, Verso, and I agree. But eventually you'll have everyone who used to care about you, not just the ones who talked shit about what you did for fun, dismissing you as an addict. Ex-best friends, family, etc. "It's not all [you] think about or talk about whenever they come up in conversation" because you're a drug user yourself, but what about your clean friends or family? They don't understand casual hard drug abuse...
 
Sorry op for going off topic..

To be clear...anything I write on BL is always due to my own
observations, or from my own opinion or personal experiences.


Thank you for the kind words tricomb. <3

Thanks to anyone else who understood and accepted what I was trying to say. <3

token

Edit: Verso, I actually agree w/you. It's just that most of us only get a small
percentage of real choice in who's involved in our lives...
and very rarely to never do we ever get the choice in how any one of those
people react or think.
 
Last edited:
80mg said:
In't narcos 1omg oxycodone?

Basically oxy = 5x more potenet than hydro.

If your on hydro than I'd say your addiction is mild...at worst. If its oxy it is a little more serious but me and my friends use to do 300mg a day and Im down to .25mg of suboxone (IV) per day. I'd suggest a SHORT sub taper.
Click to expand...

Norcos are hydrocodone preparations, not oxycodone.
 
IIve been on 3 to 5 Norcos a day for back pain for 2 years so far........some days I try to take less but those are the days I will take Somas or Baclofen which relaxes my muscles & gives me a chance not to use as many Norcos. Since you are using them for pleasure, its gonna be a bit tougher quitting............although it will be tough for me as well if I had to stop. If you plan on quitting, do a taper............

As for how bad your habit is, well its not as bad as an oxy or worse but everyone handles it differently. Depends on your bodies chemistry, etc.......
 
It's not a matter of "how bad" an addiction is. ALL addictions are bad. Take it from a recovering addict, addiction is a slippery slope. It may start mild, but it gets so out of control so quickly, it's astonishing. I quickly went from occasionally snorting or chewing half an OC 40 to banging a couple 40's a day to banging 7-10 80's when I was on a binge. I needed to inject at LEAST 2-3 80's a day just not to get violently dopesick. Even then, I would be feeling pretty shitty. I've been clean 2 years now, and while I'm relatively early on in recovery, I can say this: GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN! Oh and as Tricomb said in an above post, using opioids as a mood enhancer/ad hoc antidepressant is beyond risky. It's a surefire way to get an intense addiction. You'll be addicted to the opioid of your choice, in this case hydro, mentally (as you need the mood boost) and of course physically (as opioids do that, as we all know). That's what got me so addicted to opioids. I'd take them strictly for mood boosts, and that's ultimately what got me so hooked. I needed that mood boost from the opioids/opiates that I had and I was physically addicted on top of that. I went from casual use to heavy IV use so quickly because I was always looking for that mood boost. Soon that mood boost turned into a coping mechanism. If something got me upset, out came the needle and the oxy. I'm telling you, get out while you still can. As someone at the local substance abuse treatment center told me "You think you're fine and managing OK now, but give it a little bit of time and you're going to be at rock bottom". Please as an addict in recovery, I implore you to take a good look at your current situation. Addiction sucks donkey balls. It's no joke and it's something that will forever change your life and leave permanent mental scars.
 
Thanks Rorer, your pretty much right on, my wife and i had our fist kid on 11//11 and i began using them pretty much when the pregnancy got tough.. dealing with a pregnant chic has never been easier.. then the baby comes and the midnight feedings and the 24-7 need' the baby has has of course kept me on the vicodin.. i know not to increase to oxi or roxi as i would be seeking these once trying them... i feel the baby has gotten easier at the 6 month mark and if im going to quit i need to now.. does anyone recommend suboxone as i hear a lot of people get hooked on that and the w/d on subs is 10x worse. i do have the ability to taper off the 6/a day im taking i can take one in the morning and be physically fine.

thanks errbody
 
With your current addiction, I'll call it for what it is, not a habit, and addiction, you're going to have to suffer some withdrawals...both physically and mentally. My advice is to get out ASAP. I had about the same addiction as you, just maybe twice as long. I averaged probably around 60-70 mg of Hydrocodone a day, for close to two years, and took it absolutely 99% recreationally, and that 1%, probably much less than 1%, was just for headaches or something that could have been taken care of with Ibuprofen or Excedrine. I absolutely abused this drug for almost two years, and feel absolutely awful about all the times I deceived loved ones, and how much money I pissed down the toilet. I was very good at hiding it, and pretty much nobody knew about my addiction except the people I used with, and my dealers. I was able to keep it from my wife, son, parents, etc...and I feel disgusting about that.

I'm now on day 6 of being clean. It's been a long-ass 6 days. Just as easily as the days floated by while high on Hydrocodone, recovering is the exact opposite, but totally worth it. I had acute W/D symptoms for the first 3-4 days, first 3 were pretty bad (I know not as bad as Oxy, H, etc...I never let myself progress and "climb the ladder" so to speak, I stuck only with Hydrocodone), but I still had bad sweats, chills, leg aches and pains, inability to ever be comfortable, explosive diarrhea, no appetite, inability to sleep, etc...and I'm still dealing with PAWS. I can't tell you how much it helps to stay fairly active, even when you feel awful and have no energy (and you won't), but exercising with release mass quantities of endorphins, and will help teach your brain to make dopamine again by itself. It may be a temporary fix, but you will feel much better after exercising.

Again, I know you aren't using "hard" drugs, but an addiction to Hydrocodone is just as bad in many ways. Your testosterone levels will drop tremendously, your sex-drive will disappear, you'll lose muscle, gain fat, and the psychological addiction is the worst. OP, when you said you hoped to be able to dose up before the Laker game, it definitely reminded me of myself for the previous 20-22 months or so. I'd always "need" to take some before every big game I wanted to watch, before every movie, before every outing, before everything really. I hated the fact that my whole life revolved around this horrible drug. I couldn't even take my wife out for a romantic evening without taking pills with me. I had to plan every day, every meal, EVERYTHING around this stupid drug, and not just enjoy and live my life with the wonderful people I have in it. It's so not worth it man. Get out ASAP. I'm not sure how you would want to quit, but do it. Do it before a year later you find yourself exactly where I was a week ago. If you keep taking them for another year, it'll only be that much worse when you quit, and you'll do much more damage to your body. You're not going to feel good, and you're going to W/D for a few days, then deal with some PAWS after, but the quicker you get out the better. Take it from someone who has been in your exact same position.

If you want to quit, take a complete multi-vitamin, L-Tyrosine 500 (helps with mood, and helps brain re-learn to make dopamine), drink lots of water to combat dehydration, try to move around a bit, if only to take your dog for a walk, just feel the sunshine and walk around, take some Imodium (small doses, recommended doses) for the diarrhea, maybe some OTC cough syrup or Advil PM to try to sleep a few hours, and whatever you prefer to try to help with the general discomfort and aches. Oh, and hot showers are amazing...take 2-3 a day.

I implore you...STOP NOW!!! If you do, you may hate me the first 4-5 days, but by day 6 you'll realize it was a great decision, and every day after that hopefully I continue to feel better, get clearer-headed, learn to live without that horrible "crutch" I've been leaning on, enjoy life and not constantly worry about my supply and burning money, and my sex-drive has come back with a vengeance, and feels SO much better after getting clean. So much so, that a side-effect of W/D is that premature-ejaculation will reach new heights lol, but that too will return to normal soon. It will be one of the best decisions you've ever made. Do it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top