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How bad is it to do abit of K every weekend?

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For the past 2 months or so me and my friends have gotten our hands on some quality K. We do it pretty much every weekend at parties/bars usually atleast once. I was wondering if it will/can cause longterm affects. This usage will probably only continue until September when all my "druggy" buddies move away for school again. Generally I don't do more than 100mg's ish, and probably average a dose of 75mg over the night spaced out in a few small bumps. I've had one bad experience when I did 3 small bumps when coming down from mdma, which apparently potentiates it alot. I'm under the assumption that at small doses it can't be much worse than binge drinking, and the occasional mdma. Otherwise I'm pretty healthy, I'm active, eat well, and take various vitamins and supplements.
Any input is appreciated.

PS. Is there a word to describe being on K? Like if your drinking your drunk, if your on MDMA you're rollin, but what do you say if your on K????
 
Being on K, I call it being K-tarded.

But it takes years to actually BECOME a full-fledged K-Tard.


-elemya
 
You probably shouldn't do K more than you are using right now. If you start to see yourself going into the bag a 2 or 3 times a week, you may want to cut it out for a while and think about why you are actually using K. Once a week isn't too bad. I myself don't usually use it more than once a month unless I get my hands on a bunch.... even then I won't use it to often.

The dosage level you are at shouldn't be too bad. If you were hitting the k-hole every weekend I would suggest being more cautious. That's just though. I've only done one k-hole... and afterward didn't touch K for about 3 months... then I took a low dose. I've been working my way up to the k-hole again. I'll probably do it pretty soon. Within the next couple months. It was in February that I last tried being in a hole.

My friends and I call being on K, being twisted. So instead of saying "I'm rolling".... I would say "I'm twisted." Either that or K'd out as in "I'm all K'd out."
 
I'd be very very carefull.

It's addictive as hell and causes all sorts of nasty bladder problems and the like. You don't want to be pissing through a tube for the rest of your life do you?
 
I'm under the assumption that at small doses it can't be much worse than binge drinking
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Binge drinking is very bad, however small doses of K on the other hand should not cause you any long term problems as long as you keep it to once a week and take regular extended breaks too. If you experience ANY side-effects whatsoever though, taking a long break is the best option.

Also, personally I find K isn't worth the bother at lower doses, it's a much more rewarding drug at ~250-300mg K hole doses. Just don't overdo it and don't do it too regularly.
 
Uhh I wouldn't be so sure as everyone else. Not saying you are damaging that is, I just don't think it would be wise to listen to the little input you've received and just be content that you're fine. Dissociatives are among the most damaging on your brain, physically and psychologically. I definitely recommend this article, as it contains a lot of information that would prove helpful here, including early signs of Olney's lesions (the main type of brain damage you have to worry about here) and supplements you can take to prevent brain damage, to a degree (section III.2.)
Remember that ketamine is the most addictive of dissociatives, so watch yourself.
The information that others provide here can be very helpful, but in the end it's YOU who is ingesting these substances, and YOU who should make the final call (especially when the question involves permanent brain damage!).
CHECK OUT THE LINK, IT WILL HELP!
 
Fix8Sed8Hallucin8 said:
Uhh I wouldn't be so sure as everyone else. Not saying you are damaging that is, I just don't think it would be wise to listen to the little input you've received and just be content that you're fine. Dissociatives are among the most damaging on your brain, physically and psychologically. I definitely recommend this article, as it contains a lot of information that would prove helpful here, including early signs of Olney's lesions (the main type of brain damage you have to worry about here) and supplements you can take to prevent brain damage, to a degree (section III.2.)
Remember that ketamine is the most addictive of dissociatives, so watch yourself.
The information that others provide here can be very helpful, but in the end it's YOU who is ingesting these substances, and YOU who should make the final call (especially when the question involves permanent brain damage!).
CHECK OUT THE LINK, IT WILL HELP!
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The guy who initially came up with the idea of Onley's lesions later retracted his statement and said that after further research he no longer believes that humans get them.

Edit: Just to back that up, Erowid contains the same article, however it is updated, with the following info:
Erowid Note: William White retracted the conclusions of this document in 2004. Please see:

* Carliss et al.'s Research showing no Olney's lesions from DXM in rats, Jun 2007 - http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=7030
* Cliff Anderson's Rebutton to this document: 'The Bad News Isn't In', June 2003 - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health2.shtml
* William White's retraction of 'This is your brain on dissociatives', Dec 2004 - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health3.shtml
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PS, I can't remember if we're allowed to link to Erowid here, I assume we are, but I know at least one drug-related site I use doesn't allow it, so if we're not, I apologise - please edit the links out.

Now I'll quote each of those:
Carliss et al.'s Research showing no Olney's lesions from DXM in rats

Abstract
Dextromethorphan is a widely used antitussive agent, also showing increased recreational abuse. Dextromethorphan and its metabolite dextrorphan are non-competitive antagonists at the -methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptor ion channel. Single doses of some NMDA receptor antagonists produce neuropathologic changes in neurons of the retrosplenial/posterior cingulate cortices (RS/PC), characterized by vacuolation or neurodegeneration. To determine whether dextromethorphan produces these characteristic lesions, dextromethorphan was administered orally either as a single dose of 120mg/kg to female rats, or daily for 30 days at doses of 5-400mg/(kgday) to male rats and 5-120mg/(kgday) to female rats. Brains were examined microscopically for evidence of neuronal vacuolation (4-6h postdose) and neurodegeneration ( approximately 24 or 48h postdose). Administration of dextromethorphan at 120mg/(kgday) in females, and at >/=150mg/(kgday) in males produced marked behavioral changes, indicative of neurologic effects. Mortality occurred at the highest doses administered. There were no detectable neuropathologic changes following single or repeated oral administration of dextromethorphan at any dose. Administration of MK-801 (9mg/kg) produced both cytoplasmic vacuolation and neuronal degeneration in neurons of the RS/PC cortex. Thus characteristic neuropathologic changes found with more potent NMDA receptor antagonists do not occur following single or repeated oral administration of dextromethorphan.
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Really the OP should be worrying about bladder and kidney damage, as Ketamine is an irritant. It is used in hospitals on children and adults alike - so you'd think it'd be completely safe, but the difference is, in hospitals Ketamine is IVed with saline solution - which helps negate the irritant effects.

Anyway, at those amounts you have nothing to really worry about as I said before. Still take regular breaks just to be sure though :)
 
i think you'll be fine doing it this way just til september. most of the people with problems were using large amounts daily. but i have no doubt that weekend use is harmful over the long term, so if you plan to use it past september, i would space it out more.
 
thanks everyone for your input. I'm definatly not addicted or going to be addicted (I know every addict probably once said that though lol). I always have it on hand and never crave it or do it unless im going to the bars. And I'm not really into the psycadelic (sp?) experiences, aka I'm never gonna try and k hole. That shit scared me, I even think weed is to trippy. Plus im to busy with work, summer classes and more important things then to get fucked up except for fri/sat night.
 
If you can actually stick to the schedule of taking reasonable doses of K every weekend and JUST that, then I would personally argue that not only is it safe, but perhaps even HEALTHY.

However, I wouldn't believe anyone has the discipline to keep for a week. Like anything else, K will become distructive if abused.
 
I'm sorry for not answering your question in this post, but have you considered switching over to DXM? Personally I enjoy DXM more and found it to be similar to Ketamine. The transition was awkward, and its not as clean, but its cheaper and I won't need it.

But any habit-forming drug, in MY opinion, is best tried once or not at all.
 
Jamshyd said:
If you can actually stick to the schedule of taking reasonable doses of K every weekend and JUST that, then I would personally argue that not only is it safe, but perhaps even HEALTHY.
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Agreed. As long as someone keeps it to the weekend/1-2 a week, I don't see it doing any harm. Most of the articles which show damage from ketamine use have shown that no neurotoxicty exists (in monkeys, not sure what kind) unless used for an extend period of time (+6-8 hours) at an anesthetic level. Not to mention its anti-depressant properties which last up to a week or longer from a single dose (amount didn't seem to change the anti-depressant effects [in the mg range])
 
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