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how bad is ecstasy for you, really?

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ya know we've all heard the rumors that ecstasy puts holes in yor brain, are they really rumors?

i have my doubts about ecstasy being as bad for you as everyone makes it out to be.

i believe this because i have heard reports of it being used to psycho-therapy purposes. why would they administer something that is said to have such horrible after effects?

i also believe this because i have heard that MDMA occurs naturally in your brain's chemistry, and when you consume a pill.. it releases extra of the chemical in your brain.

i was also told by a scientist that the normal doasge of mdma is anywhere from 100mg to 125mg. he said if one were to take this dosage at a rate of once per week, it would be safe with no long term effects.

i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do.

i've done ecstasy about 7-10 times now, 3 of those times consuming 2 pills per time, and to tell ya the truth i dont feel any different. sure i felt like shit the next day, but my head clears up days later.

i have read reports on here, on erowid, on dancesafe.... and it seems like it is all bullshit.

i just want a clear answer about the effects ecstasy really has on your brain/body, PLEASE!?!?!!
 
Ecstasy puts holes in your brain, makes your penis smaller, makes you gay, and is highly addictive. It will ruin your health and your life.


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The government makes up things to scare you away from drugs. Just like everyone that smokes pot is a failure.
 
nidex said:
The government makes up things to scare you away from drugs. Just like everyone that smokes pot is a failure.
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Exactly, they will tell you anything to get you not to do it.

As for the holes in the brain part.. I have no idea and hope it isint true :D
 
http://thedea.org/neurotoxicity.html

The answer is complicated. No holes, but neurotoxicity probably happens, and it is dose dependant. The debate is whether or not recreational doses are big enough doses to cause it. That being said, dose responsibly and you will be OK.
 
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i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do

Those people have obviously never done E before in their life so they know fuck all about the drug I imagine, don't listen to them. E is only bad for you if you abuse it.
 
The "holes in the brain" that are commonly refered to are called "Olney's lesions" and have never been proven or disproven to exist in humans. They've also never been associated with MDMA use even in animals (as far as I've ever known anyways) however people just love to say that something will put holes in your brain. After all, who really wants a hole in their brain?

Basically these are microscopic scars where a receptor site in your brain gets killed by the presence of a drug, a chemical released by a drug, or a transmitter becoming bound to a receptor it was never meant to bind to as the result of a drug. They have been shown (maybe? people will argue the validity of the study done) in lab animals exposed to very high doses of anaesthetics like DXM or ketamine.
 
^ 120 - 130 mg followed by a booster of 40-50 mg about 2 hours after the initial dose (if you want) if you were working with pure powder. If you are working with pills, it's a bit trickier. Most pills in America take about 1.5 to 2 to get to 120mg or so.

The point is that you don't keep redosing, and that one redose you can do shouldn't be a huge one.
 
SmC said:
i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do

Those people have obviously never done E before in their life so they know fuck all about the drug I imagine, don't listen to them. E is only bad for you if you abuse it.
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I was told by my health teacher that exstacy was actually pretty safe if you were responsible with it 1 and a half years later i took a white unicorn, and my life changed
 
There is the concern of neurotoxicity, and the government research has shown decreased brain activity in users of ecstasy. I guess you should do your research, and be responsible for your own choices.

The thing I have against MDMA is that it's not a true psychedelic, and I found it to be mostly a waste of time. I don't think it should remain criminalized, though.
 
The drug MDMA itself is relatively safe when used responsibly, However ecstasy tablets can be very dangerous as they can contain all sorts of adulterants.even then most drug dealers aren't really in the game to poison their cleints.

i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do
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Certainly not. In a recent drug classification rethink done in the UK Ecstasy was ranked 18th out of 20 on a harm scale. Alcohol came fifth, Tobacco came ninth That story can be found here

Some sites that will help you.
http://thedea.org/
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml
 
Mr_Fluffykins said:
I was told by my health teacher that exstacy was actually pretty safe if you were responsible with it 1 and a half years later i took a white unicorn, and my life changed
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For better or worse?
 
AuraithX said:
The drug MDMA itself is relatively safe when used responsibly, However ecstasy tablets can be very dangerous as they can contain all sorts of adulterants.even then most drug dealers aren't really in the game to poison their cleints.


Certainly not. In a recent drug classification rethink done in the UK Ecstasy was ranked 18th out of 20 on a harm scale. Alcohol came fifth, Tobacco came ninth That story can be found here

Some sites that will help you.
http://thedea.org/
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml
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Why was ketamine ranked so high? I thought it was pretty safe.
 
moosedog said:
Why was ketamine ranked so high? I thought it was pretty safe.
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It's based on a few things, not just harm done.
yossarian_is_sane! said:
It seems that its based on social harm as well as physical harm to the user/abuser. Agreed it probably not perfect but i have no doubt that, merely because of the huge number of cannabis and alcohol users, the cumulative social harm of these drugs is far greater. If you assessed all drugs based on an equal number of users, I am sure you would find that Solvents and Tobacco cause greater harm. LSD, GHB and MDMA is where the debate would begin though, as it is far easier (at least it would be for me) to 'ruin one's life' with Cannabis than with LSD, MDMA or GHB.
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SmC said:
Those people have obviously never done E before in their life so they know fuck all about the drug I imagine, don't listen to them.
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does that mean that, unless you've never murdered somebody, you can't know that it's wrong. or that a doctor who has never had cancer knows nothgin about cancer.

your logic is ridiculous. being informed about something and being experienced are two different things and it is possibe lto have one without the other.
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E is only bad for you if you abuse it.
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while i agree with your sentiment, there's no way you can know this to be true.

given the current status of mdma, it's unlikely we'll know this for sure for years.

i'm not picking on your post for kicks. for me, your claims are as outlandish as those in the op. i think one of the central themes of harm-reduction should be reliance on facts.

alasdair
 
I'm no doctor or pharmacologist, but most of the info. I've read seems pretty inconclusive. I mean there're probably libraries full of literature on the subject that goes over my head, but IMHO at this point dropping is just a gamble because no one's been able to draw definitive conclusions on the harm of it.
 
if you had clean mdma everytime you did ecstasy, you would be better off than if it were shit off the street , cut how it is.

ecstasy does not put holes in your brain, that was some rumor started, popularized by oprah.

i personally have eaten about 350 pills in my ecstasy career, and though its been a few months since i last rolled, i really dont feel like ecstasy has scarred me permanently.

theres a documentary called ecstasy rising if you havent seen it yet, do a search for it and watch it. its very informative and almost makes you want to eat a pill
 
I rememebr when I was abusing MDMA every weekend, after we peak we would end up in a dark park sucking down bong after bong and nitrous bulb after bulb, which really brang the MDMA effects out hardcore. There HAS to be some kind of brain damage occuring or I wouldn't start screaming out of nowhere holding my head rocking while yelling "I THINK MY THOUGHT PROCESS JUST HIT A LESION!" while gurning way past the normal gurn-lines.

I think Enough MDMA abuse and you will become retarded. I do think high dose of MDMA makes you physically mentally retarded for a short time, but if you were to abuse this drug heaps, your brain would get used to being lazy and a certain level of retardedness would stick with you by habit.
 
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what i head that worries me is the idea that it can somehow damage pleasure/mood centers of the brain leaving you depressed or emotionless.. that was the last 'study' that i read about.. possibly it was in the book White Rabbit...
 
Splatt said:
"I THINK MY THOUGHT PROCESS JUST HIT A LESION!" while gurning way past the normal gurn-lines.
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Haha, sorry, that's just a classic quote :) Sure hope they didn't hit a lesion though. I think I've seen on BL in the past though that MDMA + Nitrous shouldn't cause any more neurotoxicity than the substances on their own.
 
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