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Heroin How bad is Black Tar for you, really?

you are getting shitty, low quality tar. Find a better connect and you won't have to shoot a g at a time. The stuff that I'm getting out of LA right now, one dime balloon (.1-.2) of this brownish tar will have you on your ass for hours.
 
Usually tar is 10-30% pure. The reason is because it is substantially less refined. As far as it being bad for you, injected anything that isn't pharma grade injectable won't be ideal. But, as long as you filter relatively well you should be fine. Your issue may be solved by a)two shots or b)using a bigger syringe.
 
Back in my hometown of Kansas City , Missouri the tar was above average smack. .2g would fuck you up pretty good,even if you had a medium kind of tolerance. Yes,tar is gnarly on the veins. It blew out one of my favorites(aka sewerpipe,lol) within 6 months of my habit. Honestly,tar to me seems stronger in the way that its sedative,but all the powder ive had doesnt last as long as Tar, but the rush feels better,does that make sense?

my .02 cents on tar.
 
My friend was recently in Cali for a few months, she said Cali tar sucks..as far as I'm concerned the stuff here is good. But it ain't sin city for nothin' Black tar varies from region to region,city to city even. You have to get close to the source..both in dealings and geography.

And to the guy trying to shoot a gram of black tar with 1cc of water and complains about vein problems I highly recomend better filtration along with 2cc syringe. =P silly guy is trying to shoot maple syrup
 
Back in my hometown of Kansas City , Missouri the tar was above average smack. .2g would fuck you up pretty good,even if you had a medium kind of tolerance. Yes,tar is gnarly on the veins. It blew out one of my favorites(aka sewerpipe,lol) within 6 months of my habit. Honestly,tar to me seems stronger in the way that its sedative,but all the powder ive had doesnt last as long as Tar, but the rush feels better,does that make sense?

my .02 cents on tar.

This is exactly what I keep hearing from people who have experience with both high quality west coast tar and high quality east coast powder. That tar seems stronger because of how much more sedating it is than powder, and how it lasts longer, but the rush from good powder is more intense than tar.
 
I've been using black tar for about ten years now in Los Angeles, and a little in sf. To me it seems like with tar, the further you get from the direct link in mexico (either by person or distance) the worse it gets. I have gotten stuff in sf that I had had to do a gram of to even get well, but I have gotten stuff in LA that if I do more than 1/4 gram I've gone out. It's all about who your getting it from. Because black tar is so easily cut with strange stuff (the most common being things like instant coffee or shoe polish), you have to know who you're getting it from. I have been seeing my current guy for about 2 years now, and he is great. doesn't cut his stuff down once he gets it. or if he does he is getting is shit directly from a source in Mexico, which is possible cause he barley speaks english haha. I have never gotten anything good in sf, I think this is primarialy because the stuff HAS to come through other places before it gets there, I don't believe anyone directly imports from mexico (where tar comes from) to sf. But I could be wrong. Anyway, I am really sick and I have to go fix now, I have alot of knowledge on this so if you have any questions just ask. I'll check in.
 
My friend was recently in Cali for a few months, she said Cali tar sucks..as far as I'm concerned the stuff here is good. But it ain't sin city for nothin' Black tar varies from region to region,city to city even. You have to get close to the source..both in dealings and geography.

Absolutely. Now if you pulled ten random bags of tar and ten random bags of powder from coast to coast, i would imagine that the mean/median purity of the powder would be higher than that of the tar. BUT that is not to say that powerful, powerful tar isn't around, even easier to locate high quality tar than high quality powder in some areas. it all depends on who you know.

I had to learn this the hard way. I had thought that tar was, by definition, inferior to powder; i thought that tar maxed out at 50-60% purity at the absolute top of the food chain. so when this girl i was semi-dating/partying with tried to warn me that the tar she had brought over was incredibly potent, i disregarded her warning because i "knew" that there was no way that a .1 balloon of that tar was as potent as a .1 bag of the pretty damn good (not best stuff ever level, but no complaints at all) east coast powder that I had been doing. Arrogantly (idiotically) I increased the volume of my dose by a third over what i was doing in powder to get a nice rush and a solid high (i did 0.4 instead of 0.33)

BIG mistake. I don't really come to until about a week later. Apparently i had been wondering helplessly from room to room trying to figure out what was going on. i knew something horrific had taken place but couldn't remember what it was. so i would ask my roommate/best friend and he would patiently explain that i had OD'd and nearly died, that only his quick, astute assessment of the situation (lady friend leaving at one in the morning without me following her out to say goodbye; she was not upset/angry, but pretty freaked out and with me staying in my room for ten minutes or so past her departure coupled with my history of opiate dabbling/abuse/addiction/repeat, he knew he should check on me--then found me breathing very shallowly, lips were turning blue, blueish tint to my skin. he got me into a cold shower and that shocked me back to consciousness than he spent the rest of the night walking me around the house, holding me up while i puked everything that wasn't nailed down in my entire digestive system up-- and then some. to say that we love each other as much as heterosexually possible and that i am forever grateful for his saving my life and i will always feel shame and guilt over having put him through that... and all he ever really said about it was 'the important thing is that you are alive. i love you. you would do the same for me if i was ever to get into needle play. just please don't do this again' but i'm ranging pretty far afield, sorry)

my point is, tar can be extremely potent, and give really good powder a run for its money on a point by point basis. be careful. don't assume that all tar is less than 50% pure. it could cost you your life (i still have a hard time making new memories to this day when once if i heard something once, i remembered it effortlessly. small price to pay for my life, but a hell of a loss for someone who prided himself on his 'intelligence')

be safe, sorry for the length, its something i've been pondering a lot these past couple of days. definitely tought me the lesson to always do a small taste of any new source/stamp/whatever because you can never tell until (some portion) is ingested.
 
^^ Tuskface, if you blacked out for a week as you claim, that was not just diamorphine in your tar.
 
^^ Tuskface, if you blacked out for a week as you claim, that was not just diamorphine in your tar.

Correct-a-mundo. That shit was loaded with scopolamine or some other anticholinergic compound. I'll bet a month's worth of Suboxone that it was a mix of heroin and a potent anticholinergic.=D
 
Being from the east, what I know about tar is based on what I've heard or read. One negative thing I've heard was that people have to use some sort of acid like vinegar to disolve it. Anything with that low of a ph cannot be good for your veins. I could be mistaken, but that's just what i've heard.
 
You are shooting shit into your veins that has the consistency of molasses? I think the only correct answer here is GET HELP. Fuck. That makes me feel sick just thinking about it.
 
^^ Tuskface, if you blacked out for a week as you claim, that was not just diamorphine in your tar.

no, no, no, you misunderstand me/i was unclear. i wasn't 'blacked out' the way one gets from alcohol or benzos, at least thats not how it felt at the time. i was not recording new information. i've only regained maybe 75% of the ability to record new info even today. i was perfectly lucid during the ensuing five or six days, but uncapable of putting new memories down for the first couple of days, then maybe by the third when i woke up i had finally formed the memory that "i od'd and nearly died. thats why i can't remember anything." whereas the first couple of days, all i awoke with was a sense of dread and the feeling that something horribly, horribly, bad had taken place.

its still really tough to retain knew info on arbitrary stuff: casual acquaintences' names, directions to a new restaurant, prices of bottles that i've worked with for over a year. before this incident, i could remember 99% of everything that i heard clearly and that really is not an exageration, grandiose as it may appear.

it took about a week for all of my brain functions to come back online to something approaching full capacity. i was oxygen deprived for 10-15minutes (best guess). the ability to record new memories is one of the first thing that the brain terminates when oxygen is in short supply and memory function is one of the last things to come back after it is restored (at least, thats my understanding of the physiology of oxygen deprevation).

its certainly possible that it was laced, i mean, i don't have any evidence that it was not, but all of the research that i did following the incident led me to believe that i was suffering from extreme oxygen deprevation-- to the point where the brain was terminating non-essential skills for sustaining life-- due to an overdose of heroin.
 
You are shooting shit into your veins that has the consistency of molasses? I think the only correct answer here is GET HELP. Fuck. That makes me feel sick just thinking about it.

I guess, but on the west coast. In southern california where I used to live (moved to get away from heroin!) it's really common to IV tar. Yeah it's a goopy gummy type of consistency but when you mix it with water and add a little heat it easily dissolves into the water and just makes it a tan/brown to darker color depending on the amount you dissolve. It doesn't look "thick" or remain mollases like when you go to shoot it.

It still isn't "good" for you at all. Especially with the crazy common cuts they used like instant coffee and shoe polish. MMmmMmm shoe polish veins.
 
I guess, but on the west coast. In southern california where I used to live (moved to get away from heroin!) it's really common to IV tar. Yeah it's a goopy gummy type of consistency but when you mix it with water and add a little heat it easily dissolves into the water and just makes it a tan/brown to darker color depending on the amount you dissolve. It doesn't look "thick" or remain mollases like when you go to shoot it.

It still isn't "good" for you at all. Especially with the crazy common cuts they used like instant coffee and shoe polish. MMmmMmm shoe polish veins.

Right, but the OP said:

Having to IV 1g at a time, 1cc of water barely does it justice. The thick goo in result is like molasses.

He is saying that it's like molasses AFTER mixing it with water. Shooting tar dissolved in any amount of water is dangerous, but shooting it while it is as thick as molasses would be an incredibly bad idea. He is just asking for a limb amputation or worse.
 
Right, but the OP said:

Having to IV 1g at a time, 1cc of water barely does it justice. The thick goo in result is like molasses.

He is saying that it's like molasses AFTER mixing it with water. Shooting tar dissolved in any amount of water is dangerous, but shooting it while it is as thick as molasses would be an incredibly bad idea. He is just asking for a limb amputation or worse.

Didn't read that part. That's some REAL crappy tar! Even though i was dumb and shooting tar. A gram of the tar I was getting (I was 1 1/2 hours from mexico) would last me AT LEAST 10 shots and I had a major tolerance and still couldn't safely inject more then .1 of the stuff I was getting. It was strong! Came right over from mexico to some mexicans that didn't even speak english, or live hear legally. They were constantly switching out runners too as the runners would get deported, they'd have new ones the next day. The cycle kept going like that.

I couldn't imagine having to try and break down a G into one shot with tar. It would be pitch freaking black and definitely not a liquid like solution anymore. You wouldn't even be able to see if you registered & you don't want to miss a shot of tar. Been there and it hurts for days as you sit there and pray you don't get an abscess. We all know, and I agree that shooting tar is pretty dangerous, & can lead to a lot of different health problems. But shooting a G at once is simply gross and unnecessary. What a waste of money if it's so bad you need a G as well.
 
I don't think that heroin is that good for you, to be honest. It's very easy to collapse veins (from your experience) and easy to overdose on. However, if you wish to continue using heroin, only smoke black tar by "chasing the dragon" as injecting it will completely fuck you up. You might end up like Harry from Requiem for a Dream without an arm.
 
The OP needs to get better dope, or smoke that shit. Sticking BTH in your veins that's been cut to shit is just plain wrong. Chase the dragon, or put in peace pipe with some ganja. I smoked BTH mixed with some potent herb (and I don't even smoke weed) and it was by far the most euphoric high I've ever experienced. It took away all the anxiety and paranoia that I experience when I smoke pot, leaving me with a good THC buzz and a blissful opiate euphoria.
Hmmm. I'm getting dreamy and wistful.
 
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