Hospital refuses to treat pain because my fiance is a heroin addict what can I do??

This is a very complicated situation you've got.

As someone who worked for nearly a decade in one of New York City's largest and busiest hospitals, I can tell you that a city hospital does not ban people lightly, and enforcing an actual distance ban is nearly unheard of. And hospitals don't threaten to have people arrested without having a reason in mind that they would do so.

I think a lot of us here at Bluelight are sympathetic toward your situation and especially that of the young woman. But come on, you don't know why they chase you away? You have no idea why they are not helping her more with the pain?

Based on what you have written, they are aware that you have been bringing her heroin. And while I understand that you want her to be comfortable, do you really not see what that does to your side of things?

First of all, the hospital is bound by laws and contracts to treat patients in a certain way. But patients are also bound by rules of compliance. And if a patient is "non compliant", then the hospital loses some of its obligations as well. For example, if the staff is aware that you are bringing dope to your fiancee, that complicates their administration of pain medication. If you give her heroin and then they give her morphine, and she overdoses, they could be liable. That's just one of the basic problems. Of course, your credibility is shot in their eyes. And you've trashed your possibility of having a lawyer help you out, for the most part. If you're supplying your fiancee with illegal narcotics, you don't really have a legal leg to stand on. And the hospital is quite justified in kicking you out if you're bringing heroin to one of their patients. Can you really not see it from their side of things?

I'm not sure what you should do at this point, but I don't think you're helping her much by creating all this drama of being chased around by security and risking an arrest by running dope to her. You realize that your actions are creating and environment of distrust and suspicion that affects her care and treatment? I'm sorry that her parents aren't being more helpful to you, but if her mother is an M.D. then chances are she's appraised of the medical situation. And being told that her daughter's fiance is smuggling in dope and has been warned repeatedly to stay away is unlikely to win you much sympathy or assistance from her mom.

Have a look at the Patient-Hospital contract. It's usually posted on walls and available at the administrative offices. You will see that both providers and patients have legal obligations. If you want to get back on track, possibly have some legal recourse and gain back some credibility, make sure that you and your fiancee are following the guidelines for patient compliance and then you have absolutely every right to expect the hospital to do so as well.

Totally agree with the above. I felt the need to respond with something similar, and am relieved to have read on to discover that you have already done a great job of articulating it all so well.

I find it frustrating when people genuinely view themselves as the blameless victim, without being able to even begin to comprehend the other side of things.

OP - I feel for you and your girlfriend of course, but I think it would really help things (it may be to late in this instance, but in future) if you would learn to work with the involved parties as much as possible, instead of against them as it seems you have this time around. Good luck with everything and try not to stress too much - she may be uncomfortable/in pain, but at least she is safe.
 
yea i didn't bring her a bag until after this whole debacle, so that's not really the issue now is it?

That certainly explains things. You're not banned from a hospital just for being an "advocate." I apologize for sounding
judgmental, but giving a patient heroin is irresponsible, not to mention not supportive of her recovery! I also doubt
that you can return to the hospital's good graces.
 
Sorry to say this but i can agree with most of what the doctor told you, some of it i don't but most of it i can understand and agree with.

Trust me she is lucky she is even getting Hydromorphone with what i have read so far! once a doctor find out that you are a heroin addict (especially a hospital) you are pretty much screwed when it comes to opiate treatment for pain relief, and if she has track marks and all that she is even in worse of a situation.

Yeah it sucks but thats just how it is, and like i said especially at a hospital setting.
 
I agree with the above. It bothers me that so many people think the hospital should be sued, and that this is an example of abuse. I'm not saying that such things never happen, and institutions are always blameless - not at all! - but in this case, they're essentially stuck between a rock and a hard place. The patient, when admitted, told them that she was a recovering heroin addict. The hospital is going to take that pretty seriously, and what it sounds like they did, to the letter, is follow protocol for a recovering addict.

That is to say that in the very beginning, during the acute state, they used whatever first line painkillers were necessary to get her pain under control. But knowing that she was an addict and that she wished to be "clean", the standard protocol is to reduce the narcotics as much as possible while addressing the pain with other, very strong painkillers. The flip side of the litigious argument is that I have seen, all too often, former addicts sue hospitals FOR giving them morphine and reigniting their addictions. Once the pain is under control, suddenly lots of patients are anything but grateful. They turn around and sure for OVER-prescribing. The hospital is damned if they do, damned if they don't. But since the girl stated that she was in recovery, unless she actually tells them she doesn't give a damn anymore and wants narcotics (which they may or may not address with stronger, more addictive drugs) they are going to follow the protocol of reducing opioids to avoid any long-term use.

(Most) Doctors don't hate junkies (nurses do!). Doctors hate being lied to. Doctor's HATE "advocates" who smuggle in heroin to their patients. And that kind of behaviour gives us other junkies a bad rep. Like I said, the system isn't perfect, but you can't expect to go in, lie, be completely non-compliant and break all the rules for ethical behaviour, tell them that you're in recovery (when you're taking dope in the damn hospital!) and expect they come in with a dessert cart of morphine, Dilaudid and fentanyl on silver platters.

You may honestly not know why they banned you, but based on your actions they had deemed you to be a risk to the patient, someone they could not trust and someone who would compromise her recovery. And you proved them right.

I have a lot of sympathy for the young woman...being in pain is terrible. But the situation has become so convoluted that her care has absolutely been compromised. And I'm afraid that simply blaming the hospital isn't the way to go.

And honestly, if your fiancee, whom I'm sure you love, really wants to get clean...why are you bringing her dope? Not only are you risking her arrest and yours, ruining the treatment she receives by creating this drama and suspicion (seriously...ever heard of Blake Fielder-Civil...Blake? Is it you?) :) and possibly putting her in grave danger because of the other medications she receives, but this could be an incredible opportunity for her to get clean. The Dilaudid she receives should keep her out of withdrawal (and probably, if she had a better relationship with the staff and they understood the situation, they would likely help her out with any withdrawal she experienced...it's common enough in hospitals). She's hydrated, not expected to do much, and able to rest. This could be a wonderful time for her to get in control of her addiction. It's never too late to try to take good care of a loved one.
 
and when (i'm assuming) some nurse screwed up on the dosage and gave her too much tey blamed it on me and have since banned me from the hospital.

what can we do help!

What could possibly be the purpose of coming on here and telling this lie? What do you gain if anyone on here believes you? ActiqAnnie seems to have nailed it. I believe the nurse didn't screw up- you gave your fiance some heroin and that acted on top of the opiate drugs she was already given. When you come on here and ask for help- you need to be absolutely truthful and brutally frank about your situation and how you got into it. Only then can you get some good advice (which you received anyway due to ActiqAnnie). Maybe you could try again and relay what really happened in your own words. You'll get the best advice that way.
 
holy shit some of you don't read things or pick out what you like and ignore the rest so here it is " NONE GOT ANY FUCKING DOPE UNTIL WAY AFTER THE FACT I NEVER WALKED INTO THE HOSPITAL WITH A BAG IN MY HAND OR MY POCKET OR MY BAG ETC ETC jesus
 
As for the rest who bother to read what's written thank you for your help I happened to talk to a lawyer while spanging who i suppose is willing to do all this for free for us.
thank again
 
Top