RCs Horrible reaction to 3,4-CTMP

[Ganj]

I first snorted 3,4-CTMP while on a admittedly risky cocktail of other RC's. 16 hours after ingestion of any drug I woke up in bed with ridiculous psychedelic visuals feel like the world was compressing into a tiny point like it was the worst feeling in the world among with muscle spasms, chest pain and the worst dread I have ever had. This was pretty traumatising but I put it down mixing multiple RCs.

About a month later I came across a friend with 3,4-CTMP and didn't see an issue with taking it as I was on no other drugs and honestly I felt the stimulant edge but it felt very weak. Later that night the exact same thing happened, but considerably more visually intense and painful. After a hour of a bpm around 250 ( I was completely surprised by this and tested multiple times to make sure) in real distress I decided It was best to go to a hospital just in case. I was hooked up to a heart monitor which showed I had a completely irregular heart beat. This subsided over a few hours but throughout the next day I still felt mentally scared. The sense of the world compressing into this tiny point felt 2 seconds away, this lasted 2 hours and was pure hell.

Both times I took it I took a standard line, felt very little effect and then had this full blown psychedelic experience and worrying body symptoms 20 hours later.

Just a warning RC's can do literally anything to anyone may effect us all differently.
Stay safe!

 

[Ziiirp]

Reminds me of numerous 2-DPMP comedowns. Glad, that you are okay. A HR of 250 BPM is pretty highend on the "stimulant binge - survivors' data spectrum". Nevertheless this could have been easily avoided, if you measured out ~10+--~10mg, instead of eyeballing a "standard line". Eyeballing a standard line may work for substances, that have a perceived or documented (noted after several allergy/pioneer tests) active medical dose range of >1mg/kg body weight. If you've would have gathered a bit of info here before eyeballing the dose, you would have more money in the pocket now for proper stimulants.

 

[Rybee]

250bpm... oh my. Good job you got yourself to a hospital to be monitored.

 

[Ganj]

The 3,4-CTMP being a friends meant when I was offered it I bypassed all of the usual research I would do before consuming a RC. The first time I took it he told me that 30mg was a standard line and it was eye balled the second time.

The odd thing is everyone else who took the same dose suffered no such effects and the visuals and patterning on objects was ridiculously both times, mainly fractals and 2D shapes on everything but as far as I am concerned even at high doses stimulants cannot cause such blatant visuals?

 

[Kilfer]

The 3,4-CTMP being a friends meant when I was offered it I bypassed all of the usual research I would do before consuming a RC. The first time I took it he told me that 30mg was a standard line

He didn't do his research either, that's like 3 times the required dosage for recreational effect for a non-tolerant user. Given the high potency of this stimulant no wonder you had such a bad experience. Combo of standard-dose olanzapine and fast-onset benzo (temazepam, diazepam, lorazepam, etc.) can quickly reverse the effects, I never use this drug without having those handy just in case. As for eyeballing this stuff it's just begging for trouble.

 

[Ganj]

I had Etizolams present but the thought of taking more drugs felt risky and isn't mixing uppers and downers even worse for your heart?

 

[《Plasticity》]

Not necessarily, a benzo is actually beneficial in that scenario, I'm surprised they didn't dose you with one at the hospital. Not only would it calm down the CNS effects, it would've also calmed YOU down and as you should know, anxiety always makes these types of events far worse.

Alot of the "uppers and downers mixed confuses the heart" stuff comes from people misunderstood about the dangers of speed-balling, in which the main danger is the user ingesting lethal amounts of heroin to overpower the coke high and once the coke wears off first, the heroin is no longer counteracted by the stimulant... which can lead to respiratory failure, unsafe drops in BP, and even death. Mixing stims and depressants isn't always a good idea, but alot of the hysteria surrounding the combo is misinformation that "sounds" like it would be the case.

 

[Ganj]

Thanks a lot for the clarification. I did in fact get that idea from reading about speedballing.