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Horrible constant headaches

You drink 9 litres a day? That is most definitely overkill.. there is no way you lose 9 litres of water through urine, sweat and breath in a day.
 
rickolasnice said:
You drink 9 litres a day? That is most definitely overkill.. there is no way you lose 9 litres of water through urine, sweat and breath in a day.
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Where in the hell are you getting 9 liters? 9 liters is 2.3+ gallons.

Additionally, if you are not sweating throughout a workout, either you are not training hard enough, or you are dehydrated.
 
You yanks 8)

Still.. 7 and a half litres? You must sweat a fuck ton :\ Either that or your over worrying about your water intake.
 
Nah I'm alright thanks..

Before this gets too off topic.. My point initially was that the guidelines being set include water from other sources.. Juice, fizzy drinks, even coffee and also - roughly 20% (apparently) comes from the food we eat.

Obviously if you are sweating more or pissing more (if you've consumed some sort of diuretic) then sure.. drink more.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/drinking-enough-water-topic-overview (Doesn't have a set amount of how much you drink because there isn't one)
 
That's wrong though. You can not measure water mixed with foods or other nutrients. You can only measure pure untainted water. If you start measuring those sodas and whatever else you will start down the path of dehydration as most of those drinks and foods act as diuretics. Any water mixed with a diuretics has to be treated as if it was not consumed. Your body does not treat all fluids the same simply because it has some water in it. It takes water to metabolize and digest those nutrients and to flush the digestive tract out. This is why so many people are walking around obese and dehydrated, because they do not drink enough pure water.
 
Now your talking bollocks.. water with diuretics does not cancel out the water intake.

And I didn't say your body treats all liquids the same.. I'm saying your body takes in water from other sources apart from pure water.
 
^bro, whats up with your linked articles, they're pretty much opinion pieces with no references to back up their claims.

Yes you will take on water from food and of course other beverages and this can be included in the AI for water, however many beverages are high in sugars, oxalates and also contain diuretics so drinking 2 litres of soda or coffee instead of water isn't going to be good for a number reasons.

Xanthine diuretics will cause a drop in blood pressure and increase urination and urinary sodium excretion thus and requiring extra hydration and electrolytes to account for this loss.
However the amount of water needed would depend on the amount of diuretic and its dilution, e.g. a cup of black coffee would probably be a balance between fluid loss and gain, but 2 shots of strong espresso would require an extra intake of fluids.

"" The primary indicator of hydration status is plasma or serum osmolality. Because normal hydration can be maintained over a wide range of water intakes, the AI for total water (from a combination of drinking water, beverages, and food) is set based on the median total water intake from U.S. survey data. The AI for total water intake for young men and women (ages 19 to 30 years) is 3.7 L and 2.7 L per day, respectively.1 Fluids (drinking water and beverages) provided 3.0 L (101 fluid oz; ≈ 13 cups) and 2.2 L (74 fluid oz; ≈ 9 cups) per day for 19- to 30-year-old men and women ""

Ref; http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10925

This is actually excellent reading for anyone interested.
 
rickolasnice said:
Now your talking bollocks.. water with diuretics does not cancel out the water intake.

And I didn't say your body treats all liquids the same.. I'm saying your body takes in water from other sources apart from pure water.
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I never said it was cancelled out. Go back and read what I said and revisit my point. oldirtybizza did the work of explaining it for me. Thank him if you still feel some sort of personal attachment to the issue. I am human as well, and I make mistakes as well.

Your body tends to flush fluids more than digesting them. Pure water is healthier as it allows for greater absorption potential and efficacy of hydration rather than triggering a metabolic push to drive them out of the system. Your body is a system and works as one, with systemic cycles and feedbacks.
 
I can't imagine taking LSD headache treatment. What an idea. It is fascinating, however.

A few supplements may help to reduce vasospasm, such as magnesium. They didn't do shit for me, however.
 
HolyToast:

Do you wear glasses by any chance? If you don't, it wouldn't hurt getting your eyes checked.Ive gone though a similar situation that you describe and could not find out wtf was causing it for sooo long, i couldn't sleep at night and saw various doctors and even done an MRI scan to find the source of these headaches.. soon after an eye check i was told that i have a slight negative stigma in one of my eyes and that it was trying to focus in and out to compensate for my healthy eye and was probably the cause of my headaches . Anyways they went away after i got some prescription lenses.

I hope something does works out for you, i know its horrid pinpointing the cause even after the doctors find nothing wrong and also being a very time consuming experience like it was for me. Good luck
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
For the last 20 months now, I've been suffering from constant headaches, all day everyday.
Some days they when I'm lucky they are almost none existent, but I can still feel them there.
On my worst days it keeps me from doing my day to day activities, it feels like they completely cloud my mind and ability to think and concentrate, and I'm completely at a loss for what to do; I'm going to school in September and this is gonna be the death of me in school.

The things which make it worse are most drugs, caffeine and nicotine included, but I've completely cut both out of my diet.
I admit I use drugs more than I should, but even at times of a month clean from all drugs they are still there.
I've seen countless doctors, all my bloodwork, head scans, am everything checks out.
All those fuckers want to do is give me meds and push me out the fucking door.
I'm at my wits end here guys, it's made me horribly depressed and withdrawn, I find it impossible to even hold a decent conversation with people with this constant pain.

It may be a long shot but has anyone suffered anything like this and found a solution?
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These sound like either cluster headaches or migraines. Sounds like you know a lot of your triggers. Have you also considered the climate you live in? Rapidly fluctuating air pressure or consistently low air pressure is a trigger for many people, myself included. Also, synthetic fragrances like those found in perfumes and deodorants are also major triggers.

The reason for cluster headaches and migraines is not fully known, but the modern research is beginning to hone in on malfunctions in the 5-HT system, particularly the aspects that control vasodilation and constriction in the body. The 5-HT system is vast with many sub-categories of receptors, and every migraine or cluster headache sufferer has different receptor groups of 5-HT involved.

Psilocybin mushrooms are a proven cure for some people, but it only targets specific 5-HT receptors so if the mushrooms don't work for you then it means you have different receptors involved. If it does work, then I've read in many sources that one dose bi-weekly works, but the dosage amount is something you'd have to experiment with due to metabolism variations.

Non-specific ergaloids like ergotamine are the most effective treatments. They're called non-specific because they agonize the entire 5-HT group indiscriminately, and downregulate them so they stop being so over-reactive to triggers. You can try asking your doctor about Cafergot, which is the brand name of an ergotamine suppository. It has side effects like diarrhea but if it works the relief can last a long time (days to weeks). Unfortunately, doctors are reluctant to prescribe it now - in my opinion because it actually works - and intead try to push shitty, ineffectual alternatives onto people. Most of the other pharmaceuticals on the market target single 5-HT sub-sets only, so you have to painstakingly try each drug and hope it targets your affected receptor group. And they have harsh side effects most of the time. The only other non-specific ergaloid out there is LSD, which also works wonders, but it would require you to take a psychedelic dose to get the effect. And if your dosage interval is frequent, it could eventually harm you psychologically.

Supplementally, you need to ensure that you are taking the full range of B vitamins as well as magnesium every single day. These have important impacts on the nervous system and deficiency should be ruled out.
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
I've seen countless doctors, all my bloodwork, head scans, am everything checks out.
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Scans? A brain MRI? Did they do neck?

After a year of suffering with headaches (he saw neurology, ophthalmology, 2 different GPs, an osteopath, a chiropractor, a massage therapist, went to another state to a headache clinic, countless pain meds that did not help, acupuncture, meditation, clean bloodwork and normal brain MRI, he does not use drugs or and drinks very little alcohol, super healthy lifestyle except cigs which he stopped for a few months without relief) FINALLY a new doc (Physiatrist which I referred him to) thought about a neck MRI....2 bulging discs were/are the culprit. However, after trigger point injections, an epidural, and phyisical therapy he still has headaches :( Surgery may be the next step.
 
Perpetual Indulgence said:
Scans? A brain MRI? Did they do neck?

After a year of suffering with headaches (he saw neurology, ophthalmology, 2 different GPs, an osteopath, a chiropractor, a massage therapist, went to another state to a headache clinic, countless pain meds that did not help, acupuncture, meditation, clean bloodwork and normal brain MRI, he does not use drugs or and drinks very little alcohol, super healthy lifestyle except cigs which he stopped for a few months without relief) FINALLY a new doc (Physiatrist which I referred him to) thought about a neck MRI....2 bulging discs were/are the culprit. However, after trigger point injections, an epidural, and phyisical therapy he still has headaches :( Surgery may be the next step.
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That's true. I know migraines are caused by a serotonin drop in the brain, which can in turn be related to insufficient vascular flow through the neck.
 
This is a bit late but perhaps you should look into candidiasis. I have been getting terrible headaches daily for the past couple of weeks and I notice it happens moreso after a greater recreational period of using stims. Yeast colonization in your intestines can be a direct contributor to a host of symptoms like chronic fatigue, muscle weakness, joint inflammation, water retention, headaches, acne, weight gain, etc. the pieces fit. Look into it. You have to make your body less hospitable.
 
Headache/migraine solution?

Since I don't know where my question belongs I'm posting in this forum. I sometimes get bad headaches and I'm prone to migraines. I used to take Relpax for the migraines, which worked, but my insurance stopped covering that, so I'm SOL. My doctor gave me Imitrex, which I tried but it doesn't seem to work so well. I have a new appointment to see my doctor, but it's really tough to get in to see her, so my next appointment is over a month away. What can I do for my bad headaches/migraines in the meantime? I need something with stuff you can buy OTC or lying around the house. Will loperamide help my headaches? Will switching between ibprofen and Tylenol help? Will a hot or cold compress help? Need some ideas please!
 
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