Hoping someone can tell me what's going on here?

[xoXsmileysXox]

I think I should start out by saying hello, since I am new here anyways. I have a few questions about some things that I have experienced lately, and I am hoping that I can find some answers in here! First off: a little about myself. Because this story needs some clarification.
I am seventeen and I have been using drugs consistently since I was about fifteen. A lot of thizz, molly and weed mainly. I had tried mushrooms before (I hippie-flipped) but I hadn't expanded out into the great world of psychedelics until recently.
I went to Identity Festival in September and did molly again, which was really great. It was very intense, the best I have had so far. The next day a friend and I were offered acid. Being curious, and since our friend knew the guy, we took it. I was high from Saturday until Monday. Most people don't believe me when I say that. I experienced the "classic" things you hear about acid, but it was more intense than what some of my friends had told me about when they had taken as much as I thought I had. I only had one blotter. The friend that was my trip buddy has gone on to do acid a number of times since then, and from her experiences and others', has discovered that we took the equivalent of about five or six hits. Also, during our trip we both threw up about thirty minutes after swallowing it, eight hours, and then twelve hours later. I enjoyed my trip, but looking back, there was a lot wrong going on.
Since then I haven't really done any drugs: just weed. For a while, that was fine, I would smoke and it would be nice. I remember noticing that I twitched more than I normally do (I can't be the only one who shakes a little bit, right?), but never thought anything of it.
But, then recently that changed. About a month ago I smoked and I thought I was having a flashback or something. The colors, the sounds, the feeling, everything was back. But this time, I could hardly move. I remember sinking into the ground, and twitching around for a while. I don't remember what happened after I sat down really. I blacked out. But I didn't think it was so bad, or at least I think. See, I don't really know.
Okay, I'm just going to say I'm sorry this is so freaking long! I know it's a pain.
But anyways, so I went down to Cali to visit my friend during thanksgiving and the second night I was there we went over to go and smoke some weed at a friend's house. I took one hit off the bong and was fine. I couldn't feel anything, like it hadn't hit me. Then they put some hash on top of the weed. And then I took another one, and really milked it. I don't remember a whole lot, and don't want to go into painstaking detail, but I basically was not able to stand up, was twitching and shaking, and was hallucinating (I remember seeing dancing macaroni and animated horse things, among others). My friend thinks that I had a seizure, and honestly, I believe her.
But my question is: why? Why the fuck did this happen?
This can't be normal, and the friend who took the same blotter that I did (well, more or less) is doing fine. So, I'm at a loss.
Any ideas are helpful, I've been trying to research it, but nothing seems to fit what happened to me.

Shanti (Peace)

 

[Pjkt2501]

Hi,

Given the duration of your trip, that wasn't LSD-25 at all. Sounds more like a DOx chemical, which are infamous for being passed off as acid, having incredible durations, and generally "darker" trips than acid, as well as the nausea. I've never puked from acid alone (only when mixed with mdma as well).

I assume you smoked while tripping on this mystery-substance? State-dependent memory; higher likelihood of a flashback as a result. I've felt like I took 3 hits instantly after a bong rip one time, thoroughly freaked me out.

What is "thizz" by the way?

 

[Jabberwocky]

^"thizz" is american regional slang for mdma from what i gather. pretty shitty imo.

i'm going to try this over in PD for you.

 

[iROLL22]

thizzing comes from mac dre and the bay area rap movement. got ecstasy pills into rap music for awhile. some consider thizz to be the ecstasy pills half mdma half methamphetamine where you get eye wiggles and crazy body high and horrible shitty comedown.

most of the lucy running around washington is crap. your one blot was most deff a do-x compound. Does sound like your getting flashbacks from your smoke session on that blotter, tho blacking out and shaking on the floor does sound like seizures. yikes a doctor may be in order and because of doctor/patient confidentiality i would be completely honest about your drug use.

 

[DexterMeth]

He doesn't need to meantion DOx compounds to his doctor though. There is zero point. I've "OD'd" on DOM before and wound up in the ICU.
...Drug use can flip the epileptic switch on in some people.. It did for me.

It's very easily mangable with the right med(s). I use keppra. No side-effects whatsoever. It's like taking a sugar pill.

I would def see a doctor though. I was very stubborn about it for a while, but eventually went to one and am on this shit (and haven't had a single seizure since) now. Seizures can literally happen at any time... even when you're driving.

 

[greenmeanies]

OP, unless your friend is a nurse I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you had a seizure. It's far more likely that you simply fainted (whitey out), caused by low blood pressure that happens so often after a gigantic bong rip to the dome. Why do you see stoners in beanbag chairs all the time? Because it's difficult to stand when your blood pressure drops precipitously. That's my explanation for the physical effects you mention.

Weed highs are known to change after psychedelic experience. Even though it's unlikely that there was still LSD in your system, I can understand your concern about a "flashback" type event. Psychedelics are simply a key that opens a door already in your mind. For a time after a strong psychedelic trip, you will find that your mind is more open to suggestibility, and the altered state of marijuana can help nudge your brain into the similar patterns of thoughts that were associated with the LSD trip.

Drink more water and keep your blood sugar up. Don't take bong rips standing up. Keep your psychedelic and ecstasy use moderate, you're very young still and have plenty of time to fill out your drug career later

 

[DexterMeth]

^Ya that actually makes a lot of sense (first paragraph).

To the OP: if it keeps happening, you should then obviously see a doctor. Write that shit down if you have to.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Just a reminder, let's not turn this into an ID discussion thread if you suspect he didn't take real LSD.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Just a reminder, let's not turn this into an ID discussion thread if you suspect he didn't take real LSD.

Sorry! Just trying to paint a better picture.

And WRT the blood pressure: I have been diagnosed with 'low cerebral blood pressure' for as long as I can remember. Standing up too quick results in a temporary blackout that fades back to clear vision with a noticeable associated body euphoria along with it. Whole experience lasts about 20 seconds.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

as mentioned, psychedelic experiences have a tendency to show you just how psychedelic Mary Janes been all along. the 'high' that most can't put their finger on, is definitely the same side of the spectrum as the more 'classic' psychedelics (the other side of the spectrum IMO, is what i label 'intoxicating effects' pills, alcohol etc.) once you experience something more specifically notable as 'psychedelic' like a full blown 'trip', its a lot easier to put your finger on just how psychedelic the 'spaciness' of herb is.

and also as mentioned, if you smoked during your trip, you're likely going to associate the weed high with that 'trip head space' for a good few weeks or months. its kind of a gray area in terms of calling that a 'flashback' or not, if its the weed which is already 'mind opening' and you've wired some of your neurons to the experience differently, then i'd say its not really a traditional flashback at all. just a cannabis induced vivid remembering of the experience, of which the remembrance triggers intense emotional responses in yourself, therefor causing a true catalyst effect for the cannabis...allowing you to plummet into hyper-consciousness without re-taking the psychedelics. kind of a ping-pong synergy i'd say

hope this is helpful :D

light and love,
harmonious journeys,
-tUt

 

[Solipsis]

Hmmm we can't really say I think. Seizures, blacking out or fainting are all signs of overload which are probably caused by your LSD being something else (which may I remind everyone, we won't go into) and taking a bong rip of cannabis can bring such effects back up. The possible alternatives you might have taken are not well understood.
Also some might throw up on LSD but this also seems to be a sign that something else was going on.

Having taken MDMA a day before probably also contributed to even more bad effects.

We have multiple rules that say that we will not discuss thing that are too much a function of speculation. To help you find out what happened we would need to break such rules.

All I can say is that next time, try to use testing kits or get your acid from people you trust as real friends who have taken it before and can tell you about how to dose it, and start with lower doses and do not take it so soon after having rolled on MDMA. If you experience uncomfortable and worrisome effects, avoid getting high on cannabis or anything else afterwards. Get rest and sleep well.

In other words: plan your experiences better and do things that help make sure that you are more careful.

I will be monitoring this thread because while I think you deserve to get pieces of advice that can help you put it all behind you and learn from it the best you can... the way we can continue discussing this within guidelines is tricky.

It would help if you posted a reply to elaborate more about this and reflect on it. Point out what you would like to talk about that can be of use to yourself and the community as a whole.

 

[xoXsmileysXox]

Hello everyone! Sorry I haven't replied for so long. I think it is a wee bit funny everyone thought I was a guy, but I guess how would you know anyways? Maybe I have a very masculine way of writing. But I’m a girl.
Okay, so I understand that I am tip-toeing around the issues here now because of how speculative it is. So I will do my best to be more to the point and supply more information.
Since I last wrote on here, and I guess it has been a while, I have been doing some more research about all of this and have decided that yes, most likely it was a DOx chemical because of how bitter it was when I put it in my mouth, the thickness of the paper (it was very thick) and the duration (over a day). Another reason why I think that it was DOx and not acid is because whenever I talk about my trip it just seems way more than what people describe an average trip being like.

I am positive that I wasn’t just having low blood pressure or something while high, because I have had that and panic attacks while smoking weed before, and it was nothing like that. I was essentially losing my shit, delirious, not able to stand up, and on the ground because I fell. I had scratches all over my face, back and arms for a while from the fall. From my symptoms, and what my friend described to me later, I am sure that it was either a seizure or something else pretty serious. It lasted for twenty minutes, at least, of which I recall being conscious, but I am not able to recall anything too specific beyond snapshots. I haven’t had any such experiences since, nor have I had any unusual mental issues. I normally have panic attacks, depression etc.

I thought that it could have been a flashback, but now I am not so sure. It was too different than what I originally experienced during that trip. Almost nothing about what I experienced after smoking indicates I was experiencing my original trip again. But I did smoke during my trip, at this point in time I don’t remember what it was. For some reason I want to say it was something sounding like zombie matter. And I smoked weed too.
So, let’s say it was DOx. Which I am thinking it was. Am I not able to do psychedelics anymore? What would indicate that I am too messed up to do them now? Which would really suck, to say the least, since I haven’t really experienced them. I haven’t done drugs since then, so I can’t say whether this has happened again or not.
Should I go and talk to a doctor? Since I am under the age of eighteen, I am afraid that the conversation would not be confidential. So I am not sure what to do.

Does anyone know where I could learn about the effects of DOx on my brain? Or does anyone know? I really hope I haven’t messed it up too much, I can tell all of the thizz ( what I call ecstasy) has definitely affected me. And just for the record, I haven’t done thizz lately because up here in Washington it is terrible. The last time I took it I took three times my normal dosage and still wasn’t high. I haven’t done it since about June. But I have done molly quite a bit since then.
Well, I hope that was more specific to allow people to answer my questions, or ask them, without violating rules.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Solipsis]

There is no reason to say that you are not able to take drugs anymore since this experience. The only troublesome thing might be that panic attack like episodes while on drugs can leave an association that makes you get similar effects with psychedelics in the future, like palpitations or shortness of breath.

Because you have had a tough experience now you have every reason to take it extra easy the next time you want to trip again. Like I said earlier avoid combinations until you have established that you feel comfortable in every way taking the batch of drugs you have, especially something like tripping after MDMA when you have drained yourself of energy and have lower monoamine levels (like serotonin). Also I repeat that if you don't feel right about what you took, don't smoke cannabis afterwards. With drugs that have a long halflife like DOX, Bromo-Dragonfly or 5-MeO-aMT that are possibile things you might have taken, it takes a while for it to clear your system and even when it is out of your blood your brain still needs to readjust. Take your time to straighten out again.

My personal experience is that taking stimulants too often and also something like DOX at least seem to make me more sensitive to constricted blood vessels for quite a while after.
I don't think it's likely that you did serious harm from this one difficult experience even though it was a multiple-day episode. Take it easy on the molly, repeated use and increased doses especially deplete your serotonin. In general the body is resilient and it will heal and get over it, but if you keep doing this you run risk of mood swings or mild depression. Loss of motivation perhaps. But I think more from doing too much MDMA than a single encounter with a DOX compound or something like it.

With fainting or seizure-like reactions like I said these are signs of too much activity in the mind or brain of sorts. I recommend you avoid nitrous if you are a nitrous oxide user because it creates intensity peaks. You might get away with nitrous only but in combination with other drugs it can be asking for trouble. As for other drugs, just about the same is true: you should take it easy like I said before so that you don't get overloads another way.
Take precautionary measures to find out what is in blotters or liquid drops that are supposed to be LSD, don't just go and drop anything someone puts in your hands. Evaluate your friendships and business acquaintances i.e. sources of blotter even more so, ask yourself if they are knowledgeable, if they have reason to sell you anything without having your best interest in mind.
There are LSD test kits available I think. If tripping on acid is important to you, it might very well be worth it to you to either check that out or educate yourself on other valid ways to test your drugs.

Also consider just taking a break for a while if you feel there were somewhat lasting effects ever since that episode. Allowing yourself to normalize is logically the best thing if you do not want the consequences to keep following you around. I already mentioned in this post: when you do decide to dabble in dope again, take less and take your time to work your way up again. It's better to just get mild effects and wait until another occasion than to try to find out where your boundaries are straight away. So: don't push it.

Maybe other bluelighters will reply to this with: don't be a pussy, this is all way too cautious. Yeah well it depends, do you want to get back to baseline again and make sure that everything is all back to normal? Or do you want to just take the chance and assume that nothing changed whatsoever?

I wouldn't worry too much about really having damaged yourself, but if you want to keep it all sustainable - I suggest you just take it a bit slower just to be sure.
I know about bad experiences being able to make you more anxious the following time you trip. It's like a little trauma: your limbic system might tell you that there is possible danger because you learned from the bad experience. The best way to handle that is to re-establish that trust again and to un-learn the apprehension and fear you might get. Who knows, maybe there are no bad associations during your next trip... but I'd be prepared in case there are.

 

[xoXsmileysXox]

Thank you, you have given me a lot to think about now Solipsis. You’re right about a lot of things.
The weekend that I took the DOX was insane, which probably contributed to everything that has happened since that experience. On Friday, I smoked a lot of weed and hash, and then later that evening I took molly. I didn’t eat at all that day, and didn’t sleep more than an hour that night. When I did get up on Saturday, I tried to eat, but couldn’t. And then a few hours later I took the DOX. Looking back, I can’t believe how stupid I was. It was almost a hundred degrees outside where the festival was too. I finally got some sleep late on Sunday though, but when I woke up in the morning I still could feel the presence of the drug in my system, things were shaking and “breathing” and colors were very interesting still. I was coming down when I got to school.

I know this is odd, and may sound inexperienced, but because I am so used to having panic attacks in my life – I used to have them almost every other day when I was younger – I am not worried about having them while high. I’ve learned how to allow them to go away. The times that I did have them while high, which has only actually happened while smoking weed, I removed myself from the group of people I was with and was eventually fine. When I have felt it begin to happen on other things, like on the DOx, I removed myself from the situation and went off until I calmed down. On DOX what happened was that this girl we were camping by got a hamburger to eat. We were all sitting in the shade for a little bit, and I began to watch her. From what I remember, she turned very red all of a sudden and then began to eat the hamburger. The more she did, the more she became a bird. When I started to see the wings taking shape, I got up and walked away. It was pretty scary for some reason. Then I got distracted with how my feet interacted with the earth, how the steps seemed to reverberate and touch other people, and I was more than fine.

But, anyways, I will definitely be taking it easy for a while. And when I am wanting to take drugs I will not be getting it from some random guy at a festival or anything else that doesn’t seem so secure. Getting a testing kit, definitely sounds like a good idea, I will look into that more. And when I do decide to have a little fun again, it will be with someone I am close to and can feel comfortable around. Which really is annoying to me, because, as you said, it makes me feel like a massive pussy.

You’re definitely right on how it’s a little like a trauma. I think that because I expected it to happen, it made it more likely to happen too. The interesting thing is, which for some reason I forget myself, and so have forgotten to mention, is that the times that I smoked weed immediately after that weekend with a close friend of mine was fine. Everything was normal. She and I smoked together for a month after that weekend and everything was how it normally was. But when I began to smoke with the guy I was dating, at first it was fine, and then it got closer to the experience I had that caused me to write about it on here. And then the people I smoked with down in California I wasn’t comfortable with at all. Maybe my anxiety and sensitivity is at the root of why this happened? Because the less comfortable I was with people, the more these negative symptoms would come out. How strange.

 

[Solipsis]

Ha, actually I meant that sometimes bluelighters / PDers come to call me a pussy because I have a tendency to advise caution. I can imagine that if you get away with a lot of things which I did too for a few years when I was about 21. At that age you have a lot of resilience and reserves of energy. I am now 26 which may not seem like a big difference but it feels like ages ago because of all the insane experiences. And somewhere in that time it caught up to me and I kept using up my energy reserves so often that it started to burn me out.
What I am trying to say is that my tales of caution may not seem to apply if it seems like you can be a lot more reckless and your body and mind will just repair on their own. But knowing what I know now I see that you are putting yourself at risk that way and it is a matter of time before you may find that your body and mind get fed up with your shit. It's best to try and hear what people are saying who learned these things the hard way so that all of you guys can avoid the same issues. I have had some close calls in the past, it could have been a lot worse for me.

So, I don't like to dramatize too much but I feel like trying to be a voice of reason here, especially as a mod.

To avoid accepting blotters or pills from a random guy at a festival is not something only you ought to keep in mind, that goes for everyone here. And so do a lot of other suggestions I ventured.

I divided your last two posts into paragraphs, can you please do that yourself in the future? I saw there were breaks in the text but they ended at the end of the line making it a filled patch of text anyway. Please put extra enters there. Punctuation is not sanctioned or anything but it gives people a tl;dr syndrome i.e. they are not likely to read your post because at first glance it looks like a rant from start to finish. I'd appreciate it.

That your negative effects are exacerbated by social anxiety is not strange at all, especially if you are reminded of that festival, what happened there and the aftermath. I'm sorry to hear that you have gotten used to bouts of panic and anxiety but there is a bright side to that. I think it makes you more likely to be able to learn how to work and deal with it.
There were some excellent tips I read like yesterday, I'm not sure where exactly... but basically they are to focus all your thought on breathing calmly and getting the air in the top and bottom of your lungs instead of breathing quick and shallow. Then feel that this starts relaxation and go along with that, feel how your arms get less tense and how the calming starts to radiate to the rest of your body. Meanwhile clear your mind and ignore thoughts of worry, there is nothing important anymore just that your breathing stays steady.
Combine the above with going more slowly, whether it's with smoking weed or with something else... and you may realize how worthwhile it is to let go of your fears, that they are haunting you from the past and have no place anymore in the present. I recommend you find your way back to normality using techniques like this, and I also always recommend meditation to just about anyone. It's so balancing! There is almost nothing like it, and it can be a natural trip, similar to low dose LSD if you do it deep enough and long enough.
While on psychedelics or weed or MDMA or whatever, meditation also tends to turn a hectic chaotic intense experience into a glowing and illuminating, tranquil and clear experience.

 

[xoXsmileysXox]

Sorry about not spacing out the paragraphs in my post, I’ll make sure to do that in the future.

Oh! I thought you were referring to me, which would make more sense in this situation, instead of yourself. On the contrary, I think that advising someone to be cautious allows them to see what they are doing from another person’s perspective. A lot of the time in the drug community people get competitive in how much they can do, so that they forget what maybe actually good and respectful to themselves. So, at least for me, to hear this from another person helps me to look at my actions objectively, figure out why another person would tell me this, and learn from my actions.

I have been practicing yoga, as well as meditating for about four years now, and it definitely helps to alleviate anxiety and put the person into another state of mind. I guess I wouldn’t know if it was a low dose of LSD or not, but if meditation brings about a similar state of mind as a low dose of LSD, that makes me want to try it even more now. To anyone reading this, and experiencing panic attacks or the like, I definitely recommend yoga and meditation too. As I had said, I used to have them almost every other day. Now I haven’t had one in a few months, and then a few months before that.

I think now I can see that this whole debacle is actually connected to my anxiety and other mental annoyances, rather than something foreign to what I am used to dealing with. This makes a lot more sense because it is a consistent problem that I have. Even though this anxiety was expressed in a very physical manner, derived from the overload issue going on in my brain, I think that the root cause lies in the anxiety. And how exhausted my body is. So yes, I will be taking it slow.

Thank you for your advice!

Shanti (Peace)