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Holding smoke in

Salutations MidniteCruiser,

midnitecruiser said:
...lost in the sidestream...
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Considering the difference in temperatures i'd be tempted to argue about noble molecules not simply escaping as "sidestream" while smoked: those are gone (read "destroyed") after being used in a way that reminds me of charcoal feeding a barbecue fire - which is why i much prefer the 185 °C (365 °F) to 204 °C (400 °F) range i guess. My opinion is that holding (burned) smoke is much more involving (read "damaging") than holding decent cannabic vapour, so i'll take what's on the grill and leave behind whatever goes to hell, down below... But that's me!

=D
 
Am i the only one sick of hearing him go on about fogbong? Dude, go pay to advertise it somewhere.
 
I never hold it in. I like to play with the smoke :P i usually just take a regular toke and exhale like a second later.
 
Jibult said:
Man, remember those youthful days before you knew you had to pick the sticks and seeds out or else you'll get a headache? Nothing worse than getting halfway through the J only to smell something funny, hear a sizzle and a pop and then seeing the midpoint of the blunt look like it's imploding and sending the cherry and tiny embers flying everywhere.


I look back on it and smile, but in the heat of the moment I was pretty fucking upset with that situation.
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I'm a child of the 70's and vividly recall my Dad sorting out the seeds on a Pink Floyd album cover. =D I'm new to smoking myself so none of the weed I've ever had has had seeds, only the occasional stemmy looking piece. My Mom (now in her 60's) says weed today is much different than "back in the day"; not better or worse, she calls today's cannabis Super Weed lol. A seed would be good to find, wouldn't it? I'd be cultivating that ish.
 
Stacibar98 said:
I'm a child of the 70's and vividly recall my Dad sorting out the seeds on a Pink Floyd album cover. =D I'm new to smoking myself so none of the weed I've ever had has had seeds, only the occasional stemmy looking piece. My Mom (now in her 60's) says weed today is much different than "back in the day"; not better or worse, she calls today's cannabis Super Weed lol. A seed would be good to find, wouldn't it? I'd be cultivating that ish.
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If I find seeds in my more expensive bud I definitely save it.

Never actually grown myself but I love holding on to the fantasy.
 
I rarely ever smoke but it seems that after you inhale, once you're past the initial burn that makes people cough there isn't any need to hold it in any longer.
 
Salutations everyone,

This is a wonderful plant which is best appreciated while blooming, my very 1st plant to life wasn't a winner in the eyes of others and yet in mine it was a spectacle renewed each afternoon, especially under the sun... Esthetic beauty from music is the only thing i can imagine which gave me access to something comparable. Having the opportunity to "sample" it was a precious privilege that left durable impressions: this is beyond just having a convenient source of cannabis. I miss that presence every day the sun peeks through my windows, that ain't no pet but it's alive and it seemed i'd never get bored of it.

Anyway, my learning curve with the vaporizer pipe has improved greatly (after a 3rd modification) so my recirculation gymnastic started to be more natural as i have less to think about. Unfortunately i've shown signs of butane intolerance lately and this made me realize it's a good idea to continue oxygen intake indeed... There's no soot that i can see or smell and i've got my hands on filtered fuel but it still makes my nose become congested and sneezing is short to follow if i ignore that sign, so i'd conclude there may be more cons than pros when holding that. Also, i find that keeping it moving after a brief initial pause enhances my perception of taste/aroma to some degree. Am i wrong to think so?

=D
 
I didnt read this conversation, but
I dont know how the most of you say that it doenst matter that you hold the smoke 1 or 5 or 10 seconds... Ok, if you are smoking a joint with a lot of tacabbo i understand that it doend matter, but what about if you are taking 0.2/0.3g hits ate a time? Does your lungs absorve the tch of 0.5g of weed if necessery in 2 seconds?
I smoke hash mostely, with a pipe, and i really feel that if i hold the smoke 30seconds it hits me more... or maybe i am just really high
sorry for the english
 
Salutations Migazaur,

migazaur said:
I didnt read this conversation, but I dont know how the most of you say...
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If this is about my posts then perhaps i must admit it's true there's a lack of consistency and the reason is simple: that's me climbing the learning curve, still in progress... Tonight i've brought my inhalation time down to 8 - 12 seconds, that's less exposure to butane-related contaminants.

migazaur said:
...that it doenst matter that you hold the smoke 1 or 5 or 10 seconds...
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On another web site dedicated to vaporism we often read comments evoking the ellusive 30 seconds mark, i've decide to promote aroma/flavour over potency since i can still get too much (on ocasions when in fact it's time to slow down anyway)...

migazaur said:
...if you are smoking a joint with a lot of tabacco i understand that it doesnt matter...
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There's ZERO chance of this ever happening: i've quit smoke years ago and i'm trying to avoid accessorial substances (like tobacco used as a substrate).

migazaur said:
...what about if you are taking 0.2/0.3g hits at a time?
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Presently a bowl is 125 mg and i typically obtain 2 good inhalations from it, 1 medium (maybe 2) and then i tend to dump my still-green spent cannabis in a jar for a future cooking session. Simple cookie recipies with soy lecithin and coconut oil would be useful if you're got one in mind, by the way! Just let me know elsewhere.

I might like to try Flash Vaporization very much some day, if the opportunity ever shows up, but i'm genuinely doubtful this would fit my cannabic user profile: i'm not 20 anymore!...

migazaur said:
I smoke hash mostely, with a pipe...
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My tool was some type of contained pipe with a passive valve closing the air admission opening, with smoke going through the mouthpiece on the other end. By chance i was lucky enough to experience something else after a long break. To me smoke is best when thin, so thin you can't see it or even smell it, for that matter. So it's quite possible these major differences in our respective consumption modes didn't seem obvious while reading me, that would seem understandable.

In my opinion the VG (or similar) system bridges the gap that seperates vaporization from smoking to some extent, have you considered giving cannabic vapour a good try? I bet it would help to reduce your consumption rate somewhat.

=D
 
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Thank you for your response egzoset. I was not talking about your posts in this thread specifically, and i never vaporized before (i dont smoke a lot of weed and dont have much money). haha i wish i could vaporize weed instead of inhaling hash smoke moreover cheap hash.
 
Salutations Migazaur,

migazaur said:
Thank you for your response egzoset. I was not talking about your posts in this thread specifically...
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Woups! Sorry for the mishap...

migazaur said:
...i never vaporized before...
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It's true vaporisation often proves to appear somewhat elitist when it comes to the price-tag, but i've got one of those table vaporizer and the cannabic vapour vas so dry it was necessary for me to think of ways to humidify it. Then i bought a VG pipe and boom! Instead of 10 (bag) to 30 min. sessions (direct inhalation) i went to 12 - 20 seconds (after a fair share of charred material), but now my 3rd modded VG's range of operation is finally brought down at my reach and the inhalations are now 8 - 12 seconds only, using 125 mg bowls which can provide many of those (3 - 5, it depends of course). No more couch-locks as with my table device, but i've possibly developped an intolerance to butane... So my next vaporizer should be spot-on i think, no more contaminants, no more SLOOOOOOW electric extraction if i can help it! Why? Because compressing the experience in terms of time reaveals taste & aroma even more IMHO. Moreover, the more i vape the more i find that hashish smoking had an addictive side which vaporized dry flowers do not it seems, at least for me. In any case my present driver cost about one third of my previous purchase which i've evaluated to about 12.50 $ per month (it worked fine for 25 months and the overall cost was around 315~ $ CAD, tax included). My present pipe could last at least that much and it cost me 88 $ CAD overall as i recall. Over 25 months that would amount to 3.52 $ CAD per month... Now there are alternatives that don't involve being in close contact with butane and those products sell for comparable prices only slightly higher, at least in the cases i've got in mind. If you've already got a 14 mm GonG-featured water accessory there are simple/economic or more elaborate/still-affordable concepts based on glass and also metal in at least one case.Since i can't risk being more specific than that i'd invite you to consider the idea that once switched to vaporisation it will begin to benefit in many ways. Reclaims are one, that means instead of disgusting tar there's potent golden resin deposits waiting once in a while for a cleanup... The fact that vaporisation doesn't use half of the goodies to keep a fire alive is another (read more "economy")! If you don't fall for mediocre bargains (avoid conduction types, for example!) then you can bet it's going to compare favorably with smoking. I've made the transition and would never want to go back, i just wish i could have done so earlier in my life when it could really have served me best.

migazaur said:
...i dont smoke a lot... ...i wish i could vaporize weed instead of inhaling hash smoke moreover cheap hash.
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Of course if one chooses to trust hashish and prefer smoking that's his own personal preference and he'd be perfectly entitled to choose that, i'm simply sharing some views as perceived from my own background. Since you seem already aware of the benefits of vaporisation perhaps i could just have confirmed that it does verify in my personal life indeed.

=D
 
Egzoset: I have been cruising around bluelight tonight and after reading a good few of your posts, I must say you have a very pleasant syntax to read. Your word choice is more poetic than the average forum discussion post and for that, I thank you.

On topic: I focus more on properly inhaling my hits eater than holding them in. The lung are an extremely permeable membrane with the surface area of a tennis court. Smoke will diffuse across in a matter of seconds, if not more quickly. Inhaling the smoke fully into your lungs and trying to not let smoke sit unabaorbed in your trachea or bronchii is a much more important task.
Good day
 
Salutations Skorpio,

Skorpio said:
... pleasant syntax...
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That's a line i try to apply, to make it as pleasant for others to review than it was to write! I appreciate the compliment. %)

Skorpio said:
...I focus more on properly inhaling my hits...
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Yes, i wish i could do that - but i'm improving! There still are many aspects to watch while vaporizing using a pipe, the flame must not touch metal as that would generate soot. While i try to acquire a sense of timing it's necessary not to forget a few things to do, etc. As it falls in place progressively i'm holding less and that's good because i don't like the tension feel of it.

At the moment i still need to reach a better control over "thickness", so to speak, in order to avoid those that cause inconvenient coughing. On top of that i've been having an unusual nasal congestion/sneezing reaction a couple days ago, it's likely pollen was exacerbating a light intolerance to butane-related contaminants. As a result the pipe is now back to a status of "Plan-B", as far as i'm concerned. Meaning i'll soon feel the urge to do go shopping - again...

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I hope this later explaination may better settle the context. It's still an experiment on my side: i thought i was done with fire in 2007 after all!...

Skorpio said:
Inhaling the smoke fully into your lungs and trying to not let smoke sit unabsorbed in your trachea or bronchii is a much more important task.
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Indeed, the reduction of unabsorbed cannabic vapour is definitely part of my goal when i try to experiment with "recirculation" gymnastic: it helps me to develop abilities i seem to lack despite being an ex-smoker. Actually i've moddified my VG for the 3rd time now and my inhalations are down to 8 - 12 seconds, a few less seconds might lead in another direction. I wonder! At least i've found about the correct balance of taste/aroma vs cough-free opacity i guess. Well, put shortly some progress is being made i believe!

=D
 
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Yea, Mysterie had the exact correct response here. Once you've inhaled the entire hit, you should hold it in for a few more seconds. After that 3-4 seconds you should blow it out since there will not be any more THC absorbed through the lungs after this period of time. In addition, the longer you hold the smoke in your lungs after that few seconds, the more tar is absorbed into the lungs.

Due to this detrimental effect, many sm0kers have resorted to vaporizing marijuana. The vaporization allows for the marijuana to break down at a MUCH lower temperature than traditional smoking techniques, which in turn lowers the amount of plant matter ingested through the lungs and in turn, the amount of tar.

I can't believe how dumb some of the responses on this thread and all the other cannabis threads are...
 
Salutations Klodtimus Maximus,

Klodtimus Maximus said:
Yea, Mysterie had the exact correct response... I can't believe how dumb some of the responses on this thread and all the other cannabis threads are...
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The problem when learning is that you don't know the outcome before it's over. I'd suggest keeping that in mind while reading about an experiment still in progress...

Klodtimus Maximus said:
...the longer you hold...
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At least there's no tar leaving my bowl if i can judge from the absence of brown smoker morning spits...

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3-4 seconds and you done with the smoke then it's up to the person whether or not they enjoy holding in the smoke (sometimes makes me feel bit warmer) although it's kinda dumb because it just means your brain gets less oxygen
 
holding for too long wont make it more effective....take it more and drink a tea few minutes later . it makes it more intense .
 
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